This game is so disappointing

[Saije]

Bought this on Epic games. I am incredibly disappointed. I loved the original growing up, the story the gameplay. and i know this game is not a remaster, but a full remake and separate game entirely.

But seriously squaresoft took how long to make this? and they did such a terrible job, they changed the story, and the gameplay. but thats not even the problem, the problem is they did such a half ass job making this game, since release they have fixed a lot of the resolution issues, but everything else in the game is so half assed. take the npc's for a good example, in both japanese or english voices the npcs and main characters lipsynce is all out of wack and looks terrible. the english voice acting is absolute ♥♥♥♥ for every single character. and the personalities of the female characters are cringe af they over act.

sqaursoft should be ashamed that they even thought it was ok to release such a half assed game.

[DBZ_KAKAROT]

引用自 Ness：

What I see is that there are really two camps within the FF7 fans who were appalled by the "remake" once they finished it.

No, don't delude yourself. There's FF7 fans, all of us who disagree with you. And then there's a Sakaguchi fanboy, you.

[Zap]

"who were appalled" is an essential modifier, not a non-essential one. You seem to be taking the meaning to be non-essential, so it looks like you have misread what I said.

Again, you can read meta critic user reviews and YT comments everywhere to see that it is not simply one or two people who have this opinion. That's a really silly statement to make.

[Namethatworks]

引用自 Ness：

"who were appalled" is an essential modifier, not a non-essential one. You seem to be taking the meaning to be non-essential, so it looks like you have misread what I said.

Again, you can read meta critic user reviews and YT comments everywhere to see that it is not simply one or two people who have this opinion. That's a really silly statement to make.

Hey we've been over exactly this its against your opinion not in favor do i need to paste that in another thread?

[Namethatworks]

Again I'm going to use a fact you don't like you are the vocal minority.
FF7 Remake is a hit with critics and with players.

13,410 people liked the game enough to positvely review it only 1834 left negative ones. (@ the time of writing)
And steam reviews show if they don't like something it gets review bombed.

So 12.3% of Steam reviewers don't like the game.
A minority is any % less than 50......

The Epic games 5 stars system average gave it a 4.8 out of 5.

Metacritic shows a Critical showing of 81-89 out of 100 based on console.
Player scores of 8.1-8.2 out of 10
Metacritic averages both of these numbers.

Opencritic all out of 5 stars nothing under 4, out of 10 nothing under 7.

So there you have it, even if you don't like it. It is a good game.

[DBZ_KAKAROT]

引用自 Namethatworks：

Again I'm going to use a fact you don't like you are the vocal minority.
FF7 Remake is a hit with critics and with players.

13,410 people liked the game enough to positvely review it only 1834 left negative ones. (@ the time of writing)
And steam reviews show if they don't like something it gets review bombed.

So 12.3% of Steam reviewers don't like the game.
A minority is any % less than 50......

The Epic games 5 stars system average gave it a 4.8 out of 5.

Metacritic shows a Critical showing of 81-89 out of 100 based on console.
Player scores of 8.1-8.2 out of 10
Metacritic averages both of these numbers.

Opencritic all out of 5 stars nothing under 4, out of 10 nothing under 7.

So there you have it, even if you don't like it. It is a good game.

You also have to factor in bias. If that 12% have any kind of skewed bias like Ness, where it's Sakaguchi or nothing, or anti-Nomura sentiments, or any other similar BS bias, it's no fault to the game itself, it's why I don't even find that 12% credible, it should be even lower than that, something like 5% or lower.

[Zap]

No worries. We can disagree and we can choose certain ways of looking at things. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The reality is this game is not FF7 if you actually understand what FF7 is. You can disagree with that statement. It's no problem.

[DBZ_KAKAROT]

引用自 Ness：

No worries. We can disagree and we can choose certain ways of looking at things. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The reality is this game is not FF7 if you actually understand what FF7 is. You can disagree with that statement. It's no problem.

We can concur it's not FF7 "The Original" as the title was clearly renamed FF7 "REMAKE". But I'll be damned to agree with a Sakaguchi fanboy lecturing me that this isn't part of the FF7 universe as if this wasn't canon in your head.

[Xengre]

引用自 Ness：

No worries. We can disagree and we can choose certain ways of looking at things. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The reality is this game is not FF7 if you actually understand what FF7 is. You can disagree with that statement. It's no problem.

This isn't how opinions work. This game is "factually" Final Fantasy 7's universe, story, cast, and general gameplay". Just because you don't like how they're treating it as a sequel with time travel and such doesn't mean it isn't FF7. It is FF7. This isn't a "opinion" or "views" take but actual fact. Now whether you like it or not, as you obviously do not, is fine but it is still FF7. You should change your phrasing. What you want to say is "this isn't a purist FF7 that I want that is nothing more than a graphics upgrade with the exact same game 1 to 1 from the original".

[Zap]

Wow, what a nice totalitarian way of regarding opinions. Fitting. The idea of telling someone else what it is that they "actually want to say" is so hilarious that I do not even know where to begin. We are in trouble if that way of thinking is commonplace. Let's hope it's not.

This "remake" is 100% not FF7. It is a shell of FF7 pretending to be FF7 and capitalizing on its existing market demand. That is my opinion. It's the opinion of someone who knows this game and narrative well, in addition to knowing the trajectory of the franchise leading up to its culmination in 1997, and has for a long time. You can disagree with the opinion. It is an opinion.

But to tell someone else what it is they are allowed to think--good luck with that. Makes sense given what has become commonplace in education and culture these days increasingly over the past couple decades.

Let's review. Your opinion is that this "remake" game captures FF7's spirit. You refer to the character of Zack as "100% optional." Yep, you definitely understand FF7's spirit.

My opinion is that "remake" unequivocally fails to capture the spirit of FF7, especially in its "whisper" meta-narrative Nomurian nonsense. I am completely fine with you having a different opinion than mine, and I believe I understand why you seem to think the way you do. You, on the other hand, in telling me that your opinion is not an opinion but is a fact I must agree to, seem to want to tell me what I am allowed to think, and you go ahead and tell me what it is I am actually saying.

Also, "general gameplay?" This "remake" has little to nothing in common with the gameplay of FF7. Add it to the list of many comments that indicate a lack of understanding of the source material.

I'm sorry, but it appears that a lot of time has been wasted with the thousands of forum posts across so many different games if this is how the person making those posts thinks they can discuss differing viewpoints.

[Mako]

You're yet again confusing opinions and facts. And seemingly incapable of understanding what others are saying.
This has nothing to do with "capturing the spirit of FF7". This is FF7 because developers and publishers say so, its that simple. Its part of FF7 universe now and is canon to it. Doesnt matter what you think about it. It could have been a third person shooter where you play as a former turk dressing as a vampire. Would still be an FF7. Oh wait...

引用自 Ness：

Nomurian nonsense

The fact that you still use this term speaks volumes, ngl.

[DBZ_KAKAROT]

引用自 Ness：

Anyone can keep telling himself that he has the "facts." All of this is opinion, yours included.

I'm just going to quote your first sentence since it pretty much invalidates your entire argument. But you do know the difference between facts and opinion right?

Facts: Square Enix owns the Final Fantasy IP, not Sakaguchi, and certainly NOT YOU.

Facts: Square Enix decides what's canon, again NOT YOU.

Opinion: You can disagree with all the above, it still wouldn't change the FACTS.

[カイラ]

This game is Final Fantasy 7 "Remake" not Final Fantasy 7 "Remaster" which is what you are expecting, grow up and move on you have no more say in this as you do not OWN the IP.

[Mako]

Just another example of trying to twist facts. Sentiments dont matter here. Product quality, perceived or not, doesnt matter here. Repeting self-conditioning mantras wont work here.
This game is an FF7 game untill copyrights owners say otherwise. You may have sucessfully brainwashed yourself but this wont work on others unless they are already extremely biased like you.

You could have expressed your opinion by saying something like "I dont like this game, I dont consider it a true FF and its my head canon that it doesnt exist". But this is clearly not your style, oh no. You like to play a preacher enlightening unwashed masses with your "wisdom". From the get go you put yourself above everyone else by saying (direct quote) "this game is not FF7 if you actually understand what FF7 is". In any normal human society phrase like this is an instand red flag and translates to "you are an idiot and dont know squat so shut up and listen to me". You may not even realize this sounds like this and maybe you're accustomed to saying this IRL but this is what it is. You are not the smartest guy in the room so stop acting like one.

[matthew giles]

i like it tbh, the art and design are realy good, the extra story bits are fun, abit gutted by the combat as i loved the old style ff7, still there is alot of fun 2 b ahd here. recon that if u like it then aswome stuff u keep playing and wait 4 expansions, if u dont then play something else and maybe avoid expansions

[Weltall8000]

引用自 matthew giles：

i like it tbh, the art and design are realy good, the extra story bits are fun, abit gutted by the combat as i loved the old style ff7, still there is alot of fun 2 b ahd here. recon that if u like it then aswome stuff u keep playing and wait 4 expansions, if u dont then play something else and maybe avoid expansions

Just out of curiosity, what is it that you like better about OG FFVII's combat better/found worse here?