Do you have to Exorcise enemies to get loot from them?

[Terra]

Like, if it's a map full of undead, do I have to keep one of them alive to get all the stuff from the others, with the one kept alive being forfeit?

[Super Ourico]

If you do not exorcise them, you will not get their loot. The exception seems to be that if it is the last enemy killed, you will get its loot without needing to exorcise it because, obviously, you did not have the opportunity.

[Terra]

Interesting.

If any enemy happens to grab a bag off the ground and then, when being killed, turns into a Tarot card, do the items they grabbed just vanish into the aether?

[Marn]

Originally posted by Super Ourico:

If you do not exorcise them, you will not get their loot. The exception seems to be that if it is the last enemy killed, you will get its loot without needing to exorcise it because, obviously, you did not have the opportunity.

Starfall 1 and 2
Heavenly Judgment 1 and 2

These 4 spells also cast exorcism so you can kill and exorcise undead in the same action with them.

Starfall 1 is purchasable from the Palace of the Dead storefront (soonest is floor 24). Recommended that you complete Heim first though so you can also buy rank 1 Summons. This rank 1 draconic spell is a better exorcism than rank 2 exorcism because you don't have to be a cleric to cast it.

Starfall 2 and the Light Apocrypha 1 and 2 are drops in San Bronsa (opens during CODA 2). They have a 30% drop rate and generally 2 enemies on each map drop the same spell. Starfall 2 is from Floating Ruins Floor 4. Heavenly Judgement 1 is from Tower of Law Eternal Floor 13. Heavenly Judgement 2 is from Floating Ruins Floor 5.
https://www.neoseeker.com/tactics-ogre-reborn/guides/San_Bronsa

[Terra]

Originally posted by Marn:

Originally posted by Super Ourico:

If you do not exorcise them, you will not get their loot. The exception seems to be that if it is the last enemy killed, you will get its loot without needing to exorcise it because, obviously, you did not have the opportunity.

Starfall 1 and 2
Heavenly Judgment 1 and 2

These 4 spells also cast exorcism so you can kill and exorcise undead in the same action with them.

Starfall 1 is purchasable from the Palace of the Dead storefront (soonest is floor 24). Recommended that you complete Heim first though so you can also buy rank 1 Summons. This rank 1 draconic spell is a better exorcism than rank 2 exorcism because you don't have to be a cleric to cast it.

Starfall 2 and the Light Apocrypha 1 and 2 are drops in San Bronsa (opens during CODA 2). They have a 30% drop rate and generally 2 enemies on each map drop the same spell. Starfall 2 is from Floating Ruins Floor 4. Heavenly Judgement 1 is from Tower of Law Eternal Floor 13. Heavenly Judgement 2 is from Floating Ruins Floor 5.
https://www.neoseeker.com/tactics-ogre-reborn/guides/San_Bronsa

Issue being that you can only get those in PotD, and it would suck for 90% of the game.

[Marn]

Originally posted by Terra:

Interesting.

If any enemy happens to grab a bag off the ground and then, when being killed, turns into a Tarot card, do the items they grabbed just vanish into the aether?

The warren report has a section on this detailing exactly how the game handles loot in this situation.

In short, loot never gets lost in this situation. The enemy that collected the loot will also drop that loot + their own loot when they die. If they were going to drop a green card, then the green card is lost but the loot is never lost.

Issue being that you can only get those in PotD, and it would suck for 90% of the game.

What would actually suck is bringing a cleric to 90% of the game on the offchance it is needed vs invalidating an entire class by using up a single spell slot on some of your casters.

[Broso]

Originally posted by Marn:

Originally posted by Terra:

Interesting.

If any enemy happens to grab a bag off the ground and then, when being killed, turns into a Tarot card, do the items they grabbed just vanish into the aether?

The warren report has a section on this detailing exactly how the game handles loot in this situation.

In short, loot never gets lost in this situation. The enemy that collected the loot will also drop that loot + their own loot when they die. If they were going to drop a green card, then the green card is lost but the loot is never lost.

Issue being that you can only get those in PotD, and it would suck for 90% of the game.

What would actually suck is bringing a cleric to 90% of the game on the offchance it is needed vs invalidating an entire class by using up a single spell slot on some of your casters.

No, that would ALSO suck but not having a way to kill and exorcise at the same time for 90% of the game while encountering undead much earlier definitely is crap tier design.

[Marn]

Originally posted by Broso:

Originally posted by Marn:

What would actually suck is bringing a cleric to 90% of the game on the offchance it is needed vs invalidating an entire class by using up a single spell slot on some of your casters.

No, that would ALSO suck but not having a way to kill and exorcise at the same time for 90% of the game while encountering undead much earlier definitely is crap tier design.

The game gives you an increasing amount of options for dealing with the undead. It's okay to have different enemies provide different kinds of threats.

The only time it really matters is Palace of the Dead because they can potentially drop good stuff there. Anywhere else before that, undead just drop vendor-bait.

Have a look for yourself.

Campaign Loot
https://www.neoseeker.com/tactics-ogre-reborn/guides/Campaign#Golyat_North_Village

Palace of the Dead loot
https://www.neoseeker.com/tactics-ogre-reborn/guides/Palace_of_the_Dead

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Broso:

Originally posted by Marn:

The warren report has a section on this detailing exactly how the game handles loot in this situation.

In short, loot never gets lost in this situation. The enemy that collected the loot will also drop that loot + their own loot when they die. If they were going to drop a green card, then the green card is lost but the loot is never lost.


What would actually suck is bringing a cleric to 90% of the game on the offchance it is needed vs invalidating an entire class by using up a single spell slot on some of your casters.

No, that would ALSO suck but not having a way to kill and exorcise at the same time for 90% of the game while encountering undead much earlier definitely is crap tier design.

Game gives you like 2 options to deal with undead, right from the start.
1. Exorcism spell.
2. Items that can be bought infinitely on shop.

Broso, it seems you are getting to the point of complaining for the sake of complaining.

[Broso]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Broso:

No, that would ALSO suck but not having a way to kill and exorcise at the same time for 90% of the game while encountering undead much earlier definitely is crap tier design.

Game gives you like 2 options to deal with undead, right from the start.
1. Exorcism spell.
2. Items that can be bought infinitely on shop.

Broso, it seems you are getting to the point of complaining for the sake of complaining.

On the contrary, you keep confirming the fact that you cannot READ.

This is NOT about being able to simply exorcise. This is about exorcising AND KILLING AT THE SAME TIME.

There, I made it easier for you to see what this is actually about.

Next time put in more effort in your reading comprehension before you open your mouth just to make a smart ass comment.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Broso:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Game gives you like 2 options to deal with undead, right from the start.
1. Exorcism spell.
2. Items that can be bought infinitely on shop.

Broso, it seems you are getting to the point of complaining for the sake of complaining.

On the contrary, you keep confirming the fact that you cannot READ.

This is NOT about being able to simply exorcise. This is about exorcising AND KILLING AT THE SAME TIME.

There, I made it easier for you to see what this is actually about.

Next time put in more effort in your reading comprehension before you open your mouth just to make a smart ass comment.

I don't see the problem, you can deal with undead fine doing 2 separate things and it makes undead interesting to fight especially when they are rather rare early game.

And no, not smart ass comment, just simply fact. Don't get mad over nothing bro, it looks bad on you.

[Pickleton]

I do wish that the grimoire exorcisme had a slight range to it like the blessing stones, though. If the Belmonts in Castlevania can throw their holy water a little bit forward, let me do it too.

[Marn]

Originally posted by Pickleton:

I do wish that the grimoire exorcisme had a slight range to it like the blessing stones, though. If the Belmonts in Castlevania can throw their holy water a little bit forward, let me do it too.

It's really weird that you can't throw them with a Lobber skill.

[Pickleton]

Originally posted by Marn:

Originally posted by Pickleton:

I do wish that the grimoire exorcisme had a slight range to it like the blessing stones, though. If the Belmonts in Castlevania can throw their holy water a little bit forward, let me do it too.

It's really weird that you can't throw them with a Lobber skill.

Honestly just a range of 1~3 base would be enough. It's just really annoying when a map has a ton of undead to the point where there's like 4 stilled enemy frontliners and I can't get to all of them with my cleric before they start coming back up, but I don't want to move my frontline past them or else they'll repop right in the midst of my backliners. Causes this awkward period where I have to just park my frontliners there (who are getting peppered by enemies) while I spend several turns mopping them up.
Could solve the problem by bringing multiple clerics, but I generally don't change people into clerics on account of them being a "one is enough" class for most of the game.

[Marn]

Originally posted by Pickleton:

Originally posted by Marn:

It's really weird that you can't throw them with a Lobber skill.

Honestly just a range of 1~3 base would be enough. It's just really annoying when a map has a ton of undead to the point where there's like 4 stilled enemy frontliners and I can't get to all of them with my cleric before they start coming back up, but I don't want to move my frontline past them or else they'll repop right in the midst of my backliners. Causes this awkward period where I have to just park my frontliners there (who are getting peppered by enemies) while I spend several turns mopping them up.
Could solve the problem by bringing multiple clerics, but I generally don't change people into clerics on account of them being a "one is enough" class for most of the game.

Later in the game you'll get way better options for exorcism.
One of the first ones you'll get is a craftable rod with 3 charges of rank 1 exorcism on it (the charges refresh after every battle, they don't permanently run out).

Starfall rank 1 and 2 (draconic light magic) is AoE dmg + exorcism
There's a relic one-hand sword with charges of exorcism rank 2 on it.

Sometimes it's even worth it to just let the undead guy rez at half hp so it can run closer to where your army has migrated before you one-shot it again.

[Pickleton]

Yeah but that's all late/post game stuff. Currently doing the Cressida fight on a new playthrough, and the first run was a disaster because I ran out of grimoires and had to sit around getting obliterated as my clerics struggled to juggle exorcism and healing.