Getting lord class marks after doing princess lawful

[matthew]

So, I have completed the game (first run) and got the princess ending. My question is, how do I get lord marks? Do I need to repeat the events in chapter 4? (using the wheel) and let Cistina die, but will that remove her from my army? or will it just be an anchor point, so I can still have both princess and lord in my army? or should I proceed with Coda and let her die there? and get lord marks then?

Advice on this would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance

[Kurosu]

I assume you mean Catiua not Cistina.

You can basically just keep letting her die and then use world /wheel system to travel back to the Heim Anchor point ( or at leas thats my understanding ) .

If you want to do CODA you NEED Princess ending. She cannot be dead.

[matthew]

Yes sorry, I do mean Catiua, OK thanks for the answer.

[This PC]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

If you want to do CODA you NEED Princess ending. She cannot be dead.

Caveat to that, you can do Chapter 1 (Of Coda) as far as I understand and get Iuria ?

The way you need to do this is travel back to the point where you see Abuna Mreuva in huuh... The Shrine on the west of the map. There, make sure you make the decision that will make it so Catiua will be present in the Barnicia battle. If Catiua is not present in the Barnicia battle, and you make the wrong choices to recruit her, I'm pretty sure you don't get neither the princess class nor the Lord class.

She needs to die at Barnicia. x_x (Maybe she dies in a story way if you make the wrong decisions ? Am not sure, hopefully someone can clarify this, but if not, this is at least a more complete answer)

Edit: knockoff has a better answer just below~

To further push this, if you world back, my understanding of WORLDing is that you can get all characters, and the characters you have after WORLDing are "copies" that aren't relevant to the story, you can have both Princess Catiua and Lord Denam. Can also have Ozma (Lawful Route) and the actual Cistina (Chaos Route) after WORLDing. The only character that you can "lose" by worlding is Arycelle, which loses an ungodly amount of loyalty for choosing the neutral route. You also can't have any character twice.

[knockoffsoda]

The quickest method is to Wheel back as close to the events of Barnicia as you can. Then replay through Barnicia and either kill Catiua in battle or answer in such a way after the battle that she takes her life. After that, return to Phidoch, and you should get the marks.

To your other question, with the World system, your characters do not get removed from your army if they die in story. They are only removed if they actually die in battle.

[knockoffsoda]

Originally posted by jdtuggey:

Originally posted by Kurosu:

If you want to do CODA you NEED Princess ending. She cannot be dead.

She needs to die at Barnicia. x_x (Maybe she dies in a story way if you make the wrong decisions ? Am not sure, hopefully someone can clarify this, but if not, this is at least a more complete answer)

She does not survive if you make the wrong choices with her after the battle.

[This PC]

Originally posted by knockoffsoda:

Originally posted by jdtuggey:

She needs to die at Barnicia. x_x (Maybe she dies in a story way if you make the wrong decisions ? Am not sure, hopefully someone can clarify this, but if not, this is at least a more complete answer)

She does not survive if you make the wrong choices with her after the battle.

Good to know, thanks man!

[1ttffsse]

Question:

So after re-doing Barnicia this way and getting Lord's mark one can then zoom back forward to Coda Episode 1 like nothing happened and Princess is alive or do you have to run it "twice" as in finish game lawful/ catiua alive ending, go back and get Lord's mark and finally do it again like you did initially and make sure she is alive again?

[matthew]

Thanks for the answers, I now got lord marks, and Catiua remains in my party still. a bit concerning with Arycelle. But I read a post elsewhere, if you kill off Arycelle in the story, then switch to neutral in a later timeline , you won't suffer a loyalty drop. But not sure if that is true or not? But I don't really use her that much. So maybe its not a huge loss.

[Rew]

Originally posted by matthew:

Thanks for the answers, I now got lord marks, and Catiua remains in my party still. a bit concerning with Arycelle. But I read a post elsewhere, if you kill off Arycelle in the story, then switch to neutral in a later timeline , you won't suffer a loyalty drop. But not sure if that is true or not? But I don't really use her that much. So maybe its not a huge loss.

She will suffer a huge loyalty drop right at the point your union level increases. Pump her with experience charms and her loyalty will increase enough to no longer be a problem, and you'll never have to worry about it again.

[matthew]

Understood, thanks for clearing that up.

[1ttffsse]

Originally posted by Rew:

Originally posted by matthew:

Thanks for the answers, I now got lord marks, and Catiua remains in my party still. a bit concerning with Arycelle. But I read a post elsewhere, if you kill off Arycelle in the story, then switch to neutral in a later timeline , you won't suffer a loyalty drop. But not sure if that is true or not? But I don't really use her that much. So maybe its not a huge loss.

She will suffer a huge loyalty drop right at the point your union level increases. Pump her with experience charms and her loyalty will increase enough to no longer be a problem, and you'll never have to worry about it again.

just fyi experience charms in this game are kinda problematic. yes they level a toon faster....but on level ups the toon gets flat level up stats across the board. in a training battle ot real combat those stat growths can be better and the toon can roll more 3s/ 4s for stats on levelups not just 2s and a 3.

[Rew]

Originally posted by 1ttffsse:

Originally posted by Rew:

She will suffer a huge loyalty drop right at the point your union level increases. Pump her with experience charms and her loyalty will increase enough to no longer be a problem, and you'll never have to worry about it again.

just fyi experience charms in this game are kinda problematic. yes they level a toon faster....but on level ups the toon gets flat level up stats across the board. in a training battle ot real combat those stat growths can be better and the toon can roll more 3s/ 4s for stats on levelups not just 2s and a 3.

Had no idea this was the case. I haven't used them outside of this specific instance with Arycelle, or when levelling up generics to use with cursed weapons. Sounds like power levelling would be better for the latter.

I think that levelling arycelle up once or twice should be enough to keep you in the clear though, if you don't mind a few tiny stat losses that can easily be made up with charms.

[Pickleton]

Originally posted by Rew:

Originally posted by 1ttffsse:

just fyi experience charms in this game are kinda problematic. yes they level a toon faster....but on level ups the toon gets flat level up stats across the board. in a training battle ot real combat those stat growths can be better and the toon can roll more 3s/ 4s for stats on levelups not just 2s and a 3.

Had no idea this was the case. I haven't used them outside of this specific instance with Arycelle, or when levelling up generics to use with cursed weapons. Sounds like power levelling would be better for the latter.

I think that levelling arycelle up once or twice should be enough to keep you in the clear though, if you don't mind a few tiny stat losses that can easily be made up with charms.

Beautiful thing about training mode is that the characters all get full exp even if they're level 1 and die at the beginning.
If all the other characters are max level, that funnels everything to them, too. 1 training mode at lvl20 with 9 lvl20s and a lvl1 should pretty much max that character out (or at least close).

[knockoffsoda]

Originally posted by 1ttffsse:

Question:

So after re-doing Barnicia this way and getting Lord's mark one can then zoom back forward to Coda Episode 1 like nothing happened and Princess is alive or do you have to run it "twice" as in finish game lawful/ catiua alive ending, go back and get Lord's mark and finally do it again like you did initially and make sure she is alive again?

If you beat the game with Catiua alive, you can World back to get your lord marks and then immediately World back to CODA and the game will consider Catiua alive.

Each anchor point stores the state of the story within it, and it *only* updates when you play through it. So when you beat the game, the story state gets saved there. Worlding back and killing off Catiua will set the the story as having her dead in the anchor immediately proceeding it, but it will do nothing to future anchors since you did not play through them.

This lets you zip back to your later anchor and pick up where you left off. It's for this reason I always finished CODA 1 when I have the storyline how I want it to set a new anchor point before beating the game in some other route.

There do seem to be a few exceptions in some scenes with World, but they seem to be more for convenience. I know for certain, for example, that if you recruit Deneb on one playthrough and redo Chapter 4, you will still get the scene between her and Warren without having to recruit her again. Her simply being in your party is enough. I think this may also be true of some postgame content.

[knockoffsoda]

Originally posted by Rew:

Originally posted by matthew:

Thanks for the answers, I now got lord marks, and Catiua remains in my party still. a bit concerning with Arycelle. But I read a post elsewhere, if you kill off Arycelle in the story, then switch to neutral in a later timeline , you won't suffer a loyalty drop. But not sure if that is true or not? But I don't really use her that much. So maybe its not a huge loss.

She will suffer a huge loyalty drop right at the point your union level increases. Pump her with experience charms and her loyalty will increase enough to no longer be a problem, and you'll never have to worry about it again.

I actually had Sherri give me a pre-desertion message recently at level 50. I'm guessing she killed off way too many Bakrum or otherwise just hated my choices during a Chaos route playthrough.

Being at level 50, I couldn't level her up. Thankfully weapon skill ranks also seem to give roughly 10 points of loyalty. She was back up to full after two battles using books.