Law route is an uncomfortable story to play out (spoilers)

[Stormy Fairweather]

taking part in the massacre in balmamusa was hard enough to do. but cistina being sold into slavery was brutal (and lets face it, women slaves are not merely put to work in a plantation). also leaving cerya to be raped to death later on legit bothers me. i know war is gruesome, and i respect the game devs for not shying away from such... but it REALLY makes me regret choosing law route as my 'final' route to have the most characters alive in the warren reports (also since that route seems to be cannon according to the manga).

[Super Ourico]

引用自 Broso：

In the real world you don't have the power to turn back time...

Presumably, Denam does not retain his knowledge of the future when we use the WORLD feature. This would be comparable to you wanting to turn back time to when you were 5 years old so you could accomplish [insert goal]. But you don't remember 2022 so you're just rolling the dice. In other words, Denam isn't equipped to tailor a perfect timeline.

Unless I'm mistaken and Denam does remember. Someone may have to confirm one way or the other.

[Jedo]

引用自 Super Ourico：

引用自 Broso：

In the real world you don't have the power to turn back time...

Presumably, Denam does not retain his knowledge of the future when we use the WORLD feature. This would be comparable to you wanting to turn back time to when you were 5 years old so you could accomplish [insert goal]. But you don't remember 2022 so you're just rolling the dice. In other words, he isn't equipped to tailor a perfect timeline.

Unless I'm mistaken and Denam does remember. Someone may have to confirm one way or the other.

Not to mention it would take many, many, MANY branches in a timeline to create a route where everything goes Denam's way.

[Broso]

Denam does not have to remember. We do. We are fate here.

[Tomha]

There is no happy route in the game. Even in chapter 4 you get notified how your forces pillaged and "defiled" the women.

This story is one of WAR, and war is pain. I choose the Chaos Route cause I carve my own path.

[Jedo]

引用自 Tomha：

There is no happy route in the game. Even in chapter 4 you get notified how your forces pillaged and "defiled" the women.

This story is one of WAR, and war is pain. I choose the Chaos Route cause I carve my own path.

Ok and pain is love and love is blind

[Super Ourico]

引用自 Broso：

Denam does not have to remember. We do. We are fate here.

Only to a limited extent. The way I see it is that we are guiding the character to make decisions that he is likely to have made. For example, we cannot ever have him choose to kill Vyce in the opening scene because it's not something he naturally would have done.

[Stormy Fairweather]

引用自 Tomha：

There is no happy route in the game. Even in chapter 4 you get notified how your forces pillaged and "defiled" the women.

This story is one of WAR, and war is pain. I choose the Chaos Route cause I carve my own path.

this only happens if you allow catiua to die.

[DVerde]

引用自 Super Ourico：

引用自 Broso：

Denam does not have to remember. We do. We are fate here.

Only to a limited extent. The way I see it is that we are guiding the character to make decisions that he is likely to have made. For example, we cannot ever have him choose to kill Vyce in the opening scene because it's not something he naturally would have done.

This feels like some kind of alternate timeline spoiler...

"Vyce dies at the first battle, because Canopus threw a rock back at him."

[Tomha]

引用自 Stormy Fairweather：

引用自 Tomha：

There is no happy route in the game. Even in chapter 4 you get notified how your forces pillaged and "defiled" the women.

This story is one of WAR, and war is pain. I choose the Chaos Route cause I carve my own path.

this only happens if you allow catiua to die.

Hehehe...yeah. I gut her good.

[Pickleton]

引用自 Broso：

In the real world you don't have the power to turn back time...

You didn't in the original version, either.
The Chariot Tarot, WORLD system and CODA were added in the PSP version.
One of the things I liked about the PSX version is that if a character died, there was absolutely no way to bring them back.

[Tomha]

引用自 Pickleton：

引用自 Broso：

In the real world you don't have the power to turn back time...

You didn't in the original version, either.
The Chariot Tarot, WORLD system and CODA were added in the PSP version.
One of the things I liked about the PSX version is that if a character died, there was absolutely no way to bring them back.

*Angelic Warrior has entered the chat*

[Pickleton]

引用自 Tomha：

引用自 Pickleton：

You didn't in the original version, either.
The Chariot Tarot, WORLD system and CODA were added in the PSP version.
One of the things I liked about the PSX version is that if a character died, there was absolutely no way to bring them back.

*Angelic Warrior has entered the chat*

Oh I mean like if a story character died for any reason, you couldn't just go back and redo the fight or choose another option.
Just 1 dialogue choice was all it took to forever lock that character out of your game.

[Tomha]

引用自 Pickleton：

引用自 Tomha：

*Angelic Warrior has entered the chat*

Oh I mean like if a story character died for any reason, you couldn't just go back and redo the fight or choose another option.
Just 1 dialogue choice was all it took to forever lock that character out of your game.

Oh, right xD

I remember in the original version I struggled to keep everyone with no, not really a no death run because I liked making skeletons/ghosts but I remember the weirdest thing. From what I understood was only the women could come back as angels, but when Father Presence died, he came right back as an angel instead of letting me use Revivify. The game treated him as dead but yeah...he came back xD

I dunno if the Angel bit still exists in Reborn. I'm currently stuck on the final boss

[Pickleton]

For anyone looking for a game where you mess around with the timeline, I highly recommend Radiant Historia for the 3DS (or the original for DS)

[Haddon]

引用自 Broso：

Well, I haven't thought about the details, to be honest. But roughly speaking, no innocent sacrifices and no cruel fates for those who don't deserve them.

Dude it is war. This version is significantly "softened". The Hamilton torture scene is much more explicit (in dialogue) in the original, Barbatos is shown to be WAY worse (like...legitimately Hitler-aspirant, the genocide aspect of the game was dramatically reduced in the PSP and this version). In the original, Balmamusa is essentially a pogrom ghetto. Not ghetto like it is crappy, ghetto like the Polish and Jewish ghettos leading up to and during WWII. Closer to a village-turned-work-camp. Where they are literally being worked to death, like gulags.

The entire story is based on the genocides and ethnic wars in the Balkans, and East Africa (namely Rwanda). Matsuno is extremely anti-imperialist, anti-jingoist, anti-classist. Almost all of his games cover these themes. He doesn't seem to have a problem with nationalism, as long as it is only a source of pride but never a source of hate, which is what almost all of his protagonists depict; a healthy pride in "your people" dealing with a world full of people with UNhealthy pride in "their people". Seriously, all of his games but Mad World have this same theme in one way or another, usually mixing religion, class, frequently race or ethnicity or nationality.

If you are making a story with those things in mind, you had better not make it all fluffy, everyone survives, and the world is saved with barely any loss. You need to give a story like that the weight it deserves. It is why I've always loved the series over all other RPG series, and some of my other favorites are Dragon Age, where nothing goes well for anyone. Or Xenogears, which is like 6 Greek comedies ended with a Greek tragedy.