How to unlock new classes?

[Eren]

I am receiving a lot new "contracts" for chanching class, but no new class are appearing. Im already in chapter 3, using almost the same classes from the beggining. For example I received draconian contract but I have no units to change to that class. Also, in the shop, I can only recruit the same classes from the beggning... I imagine I need new races, but how I get them? And no, I am not persuading/recruiting anyone in battle and I dont want to do it... are you meaning that is the only way to get new races?

[REhorror]

By Chapter 3, you should have access to some of the advanced class like Terror Knight and Beast tamer in the shop.
For the exotic class (vartan, ninja), when you defeat the first enemies in that class, you will get 3 classmarks.

And yes, you need to recruit a dragon first before you can change a dragon class, a dragon can be tamed by a beast tamer's "Tame" skill.

[Eren]

Originally posted by REhorror:

By Chapter 3, you should have access to some of the advanced class like Terror Knight and Beast tamer in the shop.
For the exotic class (vartan, ninja), when you defeat the first enemies in that class, you will get 3 classmarks.

And yes, you need to recruit a dragon first before you can change a dragon class, a dragon can be tamed by a beast tamer's "Tame" skill.

Yeah I have terror knight and beast tamer, but I find them quite useless for now. Ninja is totally OP but I wasted 2 of 3 classmarks LONG ago thinking that I would be able to buy some. I got 3 vartan too but I cant use it in any units.

God, im not taming any unit neither recruiting units in the battlefield because I just dont like that playstyle... the game curve becomes extremely difficult with so many options locked when they shouldn't be. My terror knight is a good defender but do little damage, cant carry me. I have 2 warriors, 1 beserkers, 2 archers and 2 valkyra, 1 terror knight, 1 vartan and 1 knight. I dont like mage playstyle so thats why im not using them, but I can see now that melee units are pretty behind spells damage and spells playstyle. Only melee final shots are worth

See what I mean: I have 9 vartan contract that I cant use, also 3 "familiar" contract, various somethingdragon contract (now I understand I cant use, but I though it was for a human class or whatever later). I also have 3 witcher contract but as I said I dont like spell class...

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Eren:

Originally posted by REhorror:

By Chapter 3, you should have access to some of the advanced class like Terror Knight and Beast tamer in the shop.
For the exotic class (vartan, ninja), when you defeat the first enemies in that class, you will get 3 classmarks.

And yes, you need to recruit a dragon first before you can change a dragon class, a dragon can be tamed by a beast tamer's "Tame" skill.

Yeah I have terror knight and beast tamer, but I find them quite useless for now. Ninja is totally OP but I wasted 2 of 3 classmarks LONG ago thinking that I would be able to buy some. I got 3 vartan too but I cant use it in any units.

God, im not taming any unit neither recruiting units in the battlefield because I just dont like that playstyle... the game curve becomes extremely difficult with so many options locked when they shouldn't be. My terror knight is a good defender but do little damage, cant carry me. I have 2 warriors, 1 beserkers, 2 archers and 2 valkyra, 1 terror knight, 1 vartan and 1 knight. I dont like mage playstyle so thats why im not using them, but I can see now that melee units are pretty behind spells damage and spells playstyle. Only melee final shots are worth

See what I mean: I have 9 vartan contract that I cant use, also 3 "familiar" contract, various somethingdragon contract (now I understand I cant use, but I though it was for a human class or whatever later). I also have 3 witcher contract but as I said I dont like spell class...

If you don't like recruiting, then I'm afraid you will miss out the exotic classes, that's about it.

[Eren]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Eren:

Yeah I have terror knight and beast tamer, but I find them quite useless for now. Ninja is totally OP but I wasted 2 of 3 classmarks LONG ago thinking that I would be able to buy some. I got 3 vartan too but I cant use it in any units.

God, im not taming any unit neither recruiting units in the battlefield because I just dont like that playstyle... the game curve becomes extremely difficult with so many options locked when they shouldn't be. My terror knight is a good defender but do little damage, cant carry me. I have 2 warriors, 1 beserkers, 2 archers and 2 valkyra, 1 terror knight, 1 vartan and 1 knight. I dont like mage playstyle so thats why im not using them, but I can see now that melee units are pretty behind spells damage and spells playstyle. Only melee final shots are worth

See what I mean: I have 9 vartan contract that I cant use, also 3 "familiar" contract, various somethingdragon contract (now I understand I cant use, but I though it was for a human class or whatever later). I also have 3 witcher contract but as I said I dont like spell class...

If you don't like recruiting, then I'm afraid you will miss out the exotic classes, that's about it.

Yep I can see that, this is how the game works.

Anyway, I think they could have made better use of the store, since I find it ridiculous that as you progress you can't buy new classes of units and new types of contracts to change the class of your unit; On the other hand, better objects and equipment are sold as you progress in the game. This is a contradiction in game design, it is poorly designed. Also, the game doesn't warn you about this, in the "warren chronicles" that is given so much importance... was it so hard for them to say that one of the main mechanics in the game to unlock new classes and races is persuasion or recruiting on the battlefield?

Another different thing, which seems good to me, is that some specific, special, exotic classes can be obtained through a chain of missions: in this way, you can decide whether to play the content or not, and this without conditioning your style of play.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Eren:

Originally posted by REhorror:

If you don't like recruiting, then I'm afraid you will miss out the exotic classes, that's about it.

Yep I can see that, this is how the game works.

Anyway, I think they could have made better use of the store, since I find it ridiculous that as you progress you can't buy new classes of units and new types of contracts to change the class of your unit; On the other hand, better objects and equipment are sold as you progress in the game. This is a contradiction in game design, it is poorly designed. Also, the game doesn't warn you about this, in the "warren chronicles" that is given so much importance... was it so hard for them to say that one of the main mechanics in the game to unlock new classes and races is persuasion or recruiting on the battlefield?

Another different thing, which seems good to me, is that some specific, special, exotic classes can be obtained through a chain of missions: in this way, you can decide whether to play the content or not, and this without conditioning your style of play.

Well, let's touch over a few points.
1. Advanced classmarks do indeed pop up on the store when you advance further into the story.
2. The items do pop-up, but the end-game weapons require crafting and dungeon venturing, can't just buy them.
3. I heard that in the SNES/PSX version you can buy monsters in store, but they stop this in the PSP and Reborn to encourage recruitment.

Is there any reason why don't you do recruitment in particular? Due to the way level and gear scaling works, it's much easier to just recruit the monsters/dudes you want rather than hiring a generic and leveling him up.

[darkholyPL]

Originally posted by Eren:

Also, the game doesn't warn you about this, in the "warren chronicles" that is given so much importance... was it so hard for them to say that one of the main mechanics in the game to unlock new classes and races is persuasion or recruiting on the battlefield?

You are told that ingame. There's a whole tutorial about this. The only way you'd miss it, is if you didn't pay attention what the guests are saying early game. They even say you should walk up to a unit to talk to them, instead of shouting form affar, which is another thing people miss, and they ask 'why is my recruit chance 0% ?'

[Eren]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

Originally posted by Eren:

Also, the game doesn't warn you about this, in the "warren chronicles" that is given so much importance... was it so hard for them to say that one of the main mechanics in the game to unlock new classes and races is persuasion or recruiting on the battlefield?

You are told that ingame. There's a whole tutorial about this. The only way you'd miss it, is if you didn't pay attention what the guests are saying early game. They even say you should walk up to a unit to talk to them, instead of shouting form affar, which is another thing people miss, and they ask 'why is my recruit chance 0% ?'

I read that, and later I read the whole warren chronicless too (up to where I am, early chapter 3). Anyway, I dont mean to that. The mechanic is well explained, what I mean is that what is not explained is the fact that recruiting/taming by persuading is so important to unlock certain classes/races.

[Eren]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Eren:

Yep I can see that, this is how the game works.

Anyway, I think they could have made better use of the store, since I find it ridiculous that as you progress you can't buy new classes of units and new types of contracts to change the class of your unit; On the other hand, better objects and equipment are sold as you progress in the game. This is a contradiction in game design, it is poorly designed. Also, the game doesn't warn you about this, in the "warren chronicles" that is given so much importance... was it so hard for them to say that one of the main mechanics in the game to unlock new classes and races is persuasion or recruiting on the battlefield?

Another different thing, which seems good to me, is that some specific, special, exotic classes can be obtained through a chain of missions: in this way, you can decide whether to play the content or not, and this without conditioning your style of play.

Well, let's touch over a few points.
1. Advanced classmarks do indeed pop up on the store when you advance further into the story.
2. The items do pop-up, but the end-game weapons require crafting and dungeon venturing, can't just buy them.
3. I heard that in the SNES/PSX version you can buy monsters in store, but they stop this in the PSP and Reborn to encourage recruitment.

Is there any reason why don't you do recruitment in particular? Due to the way level and gear scaling works, it's much easier to just recruit the monsters/dudes you want rather than hiring a generic and leveling him up.

Yeah, I totally see your point. Well, if some classes/races pop up later in the shop, I am fine with that.

What happens to me is that I have a lot of money left over, like 100k early chapter 3, and I am quite well equipped, so I would have appreciated simply being able to change to other classes/races already, or at least have access to buy more class changes to ninja, since now I only have 1 because I wasted the other 2, and I have realized that it is one of the best classes... so I would love to have some more ninja and the game does not allow me spending money to buy more ninjas or other "new" class or race.

[darkholyPL]

Originally posted by Eren:

I read that, and later I read the whole warren chronicless too (up to where I am, early chapter 3). Anyway, I dont mean to that. The mechanic is well explained, what I mean is that what is not explained is the fact that recruiting/taming by persuading is so important to unlock certain classes/races.

Remember that this is, in essence, a remake (of a remake...) of a 90's game. Back then devs were not only banking on the player using their head and doing some thinking and experimenting on their own, but were also 100% ok with players missing stuff if they didn't.
This is not a modern design type game, where now you have map markers on top of map markers on top of compas markers on top of constant hand holding...
You are actually meant to figure shi.. stuff out by yourself.

[Eren]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

Originally posted by Eren:

I read that, and later I read the whole warren chronicless too (up to where I am, early chapter 3). Anyway, I dont mean to that. The mechanic is well explained, what I mean is that what is not explained is the fact that recruiting/taming by persuading is so important to unlock certain classes/races.

Remember that this is, in essence, a remake (of a remake...) of a 90's game. Back then devs were not only banking on the player using their head and doing some thinking and experimenting on their own, but were also 100% ok with players missing stuff if they didn't.
This is not a modern design type game, where now you have map markers on top of map markers on top of compas markers on top of constant hand holding...
You are actually meant to figure shi.. stuff out by yourself.

I understand that, im from 90s so I played some hard stuff too. My point is that provided that is a remake... of a remake... well, you can just that important info in one more page of the warren chronicles...

From another point of view, if you don't put the information I'm talking about, you don't have to put 50% of warren's chronicles with information that the player can also figure out for himself. Or directly, delete the chronicles of warren XD (I mean the parts about fundamentals of the game)

[REhorror]

Ninja classes are rare drops from the Phoromba Forest Dragon, kill enough ninja and you will get some.
Or better you can recruit ninja, swordmaster and dragoon straight in forest dungeon, no biggie.

[Eren]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Ninja classes are rare drops from the Phoromba Forest Dragon, kill enough ninja and you will get some.
Or better you can recruit ninja, swordmaster and dragoon straight in forest dungeon, no biggie.

Now I'm stuck in an area where the game doesn't allow me to progress, except for the main story, with two battles in a row. The only thing I have been able to do is change some basic class and improve some items with my 100k economic fund, to see if I can get out of the jam. I have no option to recruit or buy rarer classes, or any dungeons or anything other than the main story (I'm in both battles in Coritanae stronghold). The first battle I win, but in the second battle it forms a major bottleneck, with quite a few powerful enemies and fast damage healing, where the enemy leader is far away and doesn't want to get close, while my units are pretty lousy in comparison. , so I just have to see if with the changes I've made I have a better chance of winning...

If I manage to win, from here I will play persuading/recruiting units on the battlefield, since it is proven that the game is badly designed in this aspect and forces you to play like this in order to access races other than human and access classes other than the basic ones from the beginning of the game.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Eren:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Ninja classes are rare drops from the Phoromba Forest Dragon, kill enough ninja and you will get some.
Or better you can recruit ninja, swordmaster and dragoon straight in forest dungeon, no biggie.

Now I'm stuck in an area where the game doesn't allow me to progress, except for the main story, with two battles in a row. The only thing I have been able to do is change some basic class and improve some items with my 100k economic fund, to see if I can get out of the jam. I have no option to recruit or buy rarer classes, or any dungeons or anything other than the main story (I'm in both battles in Coritanae stronghold). The first battle I win, but in the second battle it forms a major bottleneck, with quite a few powerful enemies and fast damage healing, where the enemy leader is far away and doesn't want to get close, while my units are pretty lousy in comparison. , so I just have to see if with the changes I've made I have a better chance of winning...

If I manage to win, from here I will play persuading/recruiting units on the battlefield, since it is proven that the game is badly designed in this aspect and forces you to play like this in order to access races other than human and access classes other than the basic ones from the beginning of the game.

You can access the Phoromba wild woods when you return to Almerica in chapter 2, where you recruit as many as hawkmen and dragon and octopus as you want.

And while units like hawkman help (winged beast tamer and winged cleric for mobile healers), they are not 100% necessary.

[Eren]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Eren:

Now I'm stuck in an area where the game doesn't allow me to progress, except for the main story, with two battles in a row. The only thing I have been able to do is change some basic class and improve some items with my 100k economic fund, to see if I can get out of the jam. I have no option to recruit or buy rarer classes, or any dungeons or anything other than the main story (I'm in both battles in Coritanae stronghold). The first battle I win, but in the second battle it forms a major bottleneck, with quite a few powerful enemies and fast damage healing, where the enemy leader is far away and doesn't want to get close, while my units are pretty lousy in comparison. , so I just have to see if with the changes I've made I have a better chance of winning...

If I manage to win, from here I will play persuading/recruiting units on the battlefield, since it is proven that the game is badly designed in this aspect and forces you to play like this in order to access races other than human and access classes other than the basic ones from the beginning of the game.

You can access the Phoromba wild woods when you return to Almerica in chapter 2, where you recruit as many as hawkmen and dragon and octopus as you want.

And while units like hawkman help (winged beast tamer and winged cleric for mobile healers), they are not 100% necessary.

What do you mean with "return to Almerica in chapter 2"? I mean, I am in chapter 3, I cant back to chapter 2, right? (unless I load an old save) or im missing something

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Eren:

Originally posted by REhorror:

You can access the Phoromba wild woods when you return to Almerica in chapter 2, where you recruit as many as hawkmen and dragon and octopus as you want.

And while units like hawkman help (winged beast tamer and winged cleric for mobile healers), they are not 100% necessary.

What do you mean with "return to Almerica in chapter 2"? I mean, I am in chapter 3, I cant back to chapter 2, right? (unless I load an old save) or im missing something

It unlocks there and stay for the rest of the game.
Read your news once in a while man.