Recruiting Monsters?

[deadbeef]

Why is it so hard to recruit monsters? I have been trying to recruit one of every monster type and class so that I have a complete army by the end of the game. But it just seems like a fool's errand every single time I try to do it. I have to whittle down the monster's HP, then make sure to not kill it so that whoever has the recruit skill can stand next to it and try to recruit it. Even then, if they are blinking red and I'm standing directly next to them, I get at best a 25% chance of recruiting. So I usually have to try around 3 times before they will be recruited.

All while I'm doing this, the rest of the enemy army is blowing my troops to smithereens, while I have to focus on keeping this monster AND my recruiter (usually beastmaster) alive, so my healers cannot focus on the enemy and instead have to focus on my beastmaster.

THEN, even when I do end up managing to recruit the monster, the monster is always at such low health that it just gets killed immediately, so then I need to speedrun the rest of the fight.

Why is it so hard? Is it really just a fool's errand to try to recruit monsters? Reading some guides and I see references to skills like "dragonology" that make it easier, but I'm already in chapter 3 and have never seen any such skills. Am I intended to wait until chapter 4 or later to start recruiting?

[Pickleton]

They got rid of the racial skills like Draconology in this version.
Honestly, if you're having issues with recruiting, the best option is generally to continuously put them to sleep until they're one of the last units on the map, and then you can try to recruit them over and over without getting wailed on.

[Zoid13]

i just use a % heal item on the monsters after i grab them or just lock them up on the side of the fight with a body blocking knight till they are the last unit

[Imperium]

I noticed that closer you are standing to the monster/unit the better chance you get, but the chance is pretty low non the less, I just captured chicken with 27% chance, which i consider hella lucky. Its deff not easy, which sucks monsters here are all very cool lol.

More experienced players, do monsters scale pretty well compared to other characters to make them viable or no? With no gear or items I figure towards the end of the game they would get severely outclassed by characters with actual gear?

[Criix]

yo so i've looked all over online and cant find anything helpful, i was in a fight with cyclops, beat everyone down and got the cyc to red flashing hp and brought in my beast tamer and did the trick with re-rolling the chariot until i said i recruited him. he was at low hp but on the next turn i killed the mission target and im thinking ok ill have an cyclops now....get out of the mission and ....nowhere? i have no cyclops. please someone explain wtf is going on with the beast tamer and why is it such an awful experience???

[Ezariah]

You can use the rewind system and approach from a different tile to get a second,third or fourth try. Can rewind to a previous characters turn got completely reset. Hope this helps.

[Criix]

Originally posted by Ezariah:

You can use the rewind system and approach from a different tile to get a second,third or fourth try. Can rewind to a previous characters turn got completely reset. Hope this helps.

i think you misunderstood what i was saying. i recruited the monster, the game said that i had tamed the cyclops or whatever after using subdue, then i killed the pass with my next characters turn and after the mission i just have no cyclops.

[jlaflair]

Originally posted by Criix:

Originally posted by Ezariah:

You can use the rewind system and approach from a different tile to get a second,third or fourth try. Can rewind to a previous characters turn got completely reset. Hope this helps.

i think you misunderstood what i was saying. i recruited the monster, the game said that i had tamed the cyclops or whatever after using subdue, then i killed the pass with my next characters turn and after the mission i just have no cyclops.

That sounds like a bug and not an issue with recruitment difficulty? I recruited three different critters of different types tonight without that issue. Weird.

Normally (as you probably know), it will appear after the battle as experience is tallied and stuff that the monster isn't in your army. Immediately after all of that, though, you get a recruitment screen where you can look at the critter's full stats and then decide whether to actually recruit them or let them go. If you don't see that, I have no explanation.

[Criix]

Originally posted by jlaflair:

Originally posted by Criix:

i think you misunderstood what i was saying. i recruited the monster, the game said that i had tamed the cyclops or whatever after using subdue, then i killed the pass with my next characters turn and after the mission i just have no cyclops.

That sounds like a bug and not an issue with recruitment difficulty? I recruited three different critters of different types tonight without that issue. Weird.

Normally (as you probably know), it will appear after the battle as experience is tallied and stuff that the monster isn't in your army. Immediately after all of that, though, you get a recruitment screen where you can look at the critter's full stats and then decide whether to actually recruit them or let them go. If you don't see that, I have no explanation.

yeah the recruitment screen never appeared. guess its a bug,

[REhorror]

For OP, it's not really hard to recruit monster or anyone else.
But some advices:
1. Don't recruit mid-battle, rather only recruit when the enemies are only 1-2 left.
2. The monsters or the dudes you want to recruit? When the line hits, put them to sleep or ignore them altogether, focus on killing everyone else.
3. When the battlefield is only him left, go right next to him and spam recruit, it will work eventually.

[Nielips]

Yeah, I don't think the % you see is representative of the actual RNG, I've gone +10 turns on a dragon with 36/37% chance of recruiting and it still doesn't work. I've yet to see any successful recruit on first try past.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Nielips:

Yeah, I don't think the % you see is representative of the actual RNG, I've gone +10 turns on a dragon with 36/37% chance of recruiting and it still doesn't work. I've yet to see any successful recruit on first try past.

You are just being unlucky, just try retrying, it will work.
If it's 0% all the times, that means it's some kind of story monsters that you can't recruit.

[Firestar1212]

Recruiting in this game sucks peroid i have never got it above 25% chance, atleast i did get a dragon but still, way to many hidden modifyers for it

[Grandork]

Recruiting is easy as long as you don't care about using the Tarot system. I sure as hell don't, so I abused it to get the dragons I needed for Deneb. Only to find out I only needed 1 of each and not 3 of each. Lol.

[Pickleton]

1/3 chance doesn't mean that you'll get it after 3 tries. It means that each time you roll the dice, there's a 2/3 chance you don't get what you want. Not getting after 10 just sounds like unlucky RNG.

[knockoffsoda]

Originally posted by Pickleton:

1/3 chance doesn't mean that you'll get it after 3 tries. It means that each time you roll the dice, there's a 2/3 chance you don't get what you want. Not getting after 10 just sounds like unlucky RNG.

And probably a little exaggeration.

I haven't done much recruiting yet--just a couple of dragons--but one took 3 tries at around 30% and one I got in 2 tries. It's more annoying doing it without Chariot, but at least I haven't found the odds actually dropping after each unsuccessful attempt.