Does this game still have the Loyalty problem?

[Neonivek]

Now this wasn't a huge issue UNLESS you went through multiple playthroughs... but quite a few events will set your characters to practically revolt against you.

Add in that Loyalty is normally invisible...

[Jedo]

You can raise loyalty to more than half in one training battle. In the course of normal gameplay, Arycelle is the only one who will ever have loyalty issues because of the Neutral route. I was able to bring her back to 50+ loyalty after 1 training battle.

[Bongoboy]

Messaggio originale di Neonivek:

Add in that Loyalty is normally invisible...

Not invisible, but also not 100% visible.
When you push "select" to check stuff and you go over the name of a unit, it will give you some sentence. Depending on the Units Alignment (L, N or C)that sentence is one of a few versions. This gives you a hint how high/low the loyalty of the unit is towards you.

But yeah, Aloser... sorry Arycelle is one of those special cases. On the Snes/PS1/Saturn versions you could not get her on the Law route, and since you got her on Chaos Chapter 2, deciding at the end of it to go back so you are on Neutral basically made her revolt and leave. I remember it being nearly impossible to not loose her, though there where ways.
In that version there where two ways to raise Loyalty and one was to pick the numerous cards that raise it or make the character gain levels.

In the PSP version you could level Skills for the same effect.

I was talk with a friend of mine about this theme, I never WORLD around on the PSP version, despite playing for more then 600 hours... I never felt "ready" to do so. Still had to get more items from Palace of the Dead, didn't do all the Shrine Battles and only touched San Bronsa.

I know when you beat the game, at least a friend said he seen that on a stream, that you will see numerals for how high your Rep is with each clan on the island.

I am curious, when you WORLD back and redo certain of those questions multiple time, will the characters get a Loyalty hit every time??? (I'd appreciate if someone knows this to answer me this)
If yes, the only thing you can do is either cheat it up or just pick them up again, because this version has so limited Skills you can level.

As far as I understand it, you should not kill Walister enemies with a Walister Unit, when they are forced to kill their own clan they take a Loyalty hit. I just don't know, do they need to kill the same Clan... or do they only need to be present when someone of their clan dies??? (I'd appreciate if someone knows this to answer me this)
If the latter is the case then it would be really beneficial to have a couple Units of each Clan ready, and Units of Clans not seen often on Valeria are even more valuable then.

[Echtel]

Messaggio originale di Neonivek:

I do find it funny that my largest critic in this thread never bought the game.

Anyhow... To my knowledge healing does NOT affect loyalty.

I HAVE bought the game... what on earth are you even talking about?
The only funny thing here is the first sentence of your comment really, but thanks for answering

[Neonivek]

Messaggio originale di Echtel:

I HAVE bought the game... what on earth are you even talking about?
The only funny thing here is the first sentence of your comment really, but thanks for answering

That part of the comment wasn't about you.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

I haven't found an issue with loyalty yet but I'm not worlding around much yet.

Seems they changed the dungeon enemies to mostly not have a clan which means you can kill them freely and not take a loyalty hit for it.

[Jedo]

After 170+ hours I can honestly say I never ran into loyalty problems except for Arycelle's scripted one from going Neutral route. I really think they added a lot of small things that counterbalance loyalty loss in this version. The most significant way to raise it back up is definitely training battles (raising weapon levels) though. So if anyone is worried about future hits on their loyalty, just don't go crazy leveling every weapon on every unit too early.

[Haddon]

Messaggio originale di Neonivek:

I do find it funny that my largest critic in this thread never bought the game.

Anyhow... To my knowledge healing does NOT affect loyalty.

Me? I bought it. Had to return it because of the flicker effect on the fires. Was furious. Sent an email to SE, asked modders to help. Modders are working on trying to get rid of the hideous bloom effect, which makes the flicker so bad I can't play. Trust me, they fix it, I will get it immediately.

And your knowledge, at least for the PSP version, is wrong. Healing does affect loyalty. It is just incredibly small. Not a way to grind it.

[Sardorim]

Not as bad.

Just level skills or give charms to a characters to max their loyalty.