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Is it just me or does this game feel 100 times better than the first game?
I just feel like literally everything so far in this game has been done better. I'm not done yet, but I feel this game is better in almost every way. It feels more interesting, the puzzles are unique for each somnium. The characters are good too especially Lien and Gen.
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Mr.Mostache Jul 1, 2022 @ 12:17am 
You are not alone. It's a massive quality improvement over the first game.
Banshee Jul 1, 2022 @ 8:15am 
I think the contrary, I prefer the first game. Not a huge fan of somnium in this one, less funny situation and choices.
For humour it's the same, I prefer the first, and a lot of joke are forced, especially Tama's jokes.
A lot of place are exactly the same as before, and I like they said "don't have to play the first game", because in fact, a lot of jokes or notes are references of first game situations.

I don't like too the "power" of AI, syncs live with xray or thermo parameters, seeing their last actions... its sounds a lot like a deus ex....

Some characters are cool, yes, Gen and Ryuki, I like Tama despite her jokes. But I don't like Shoma and Komeji... their part is long, absolutely not funny and cliché.

Overall, it ok, and the story looks interesting so far, but I find the game less good, less funny. I was not surprise, when I heard Mizuki will be with Aiba, because the alchemy is not the same with Date (they're totally opposed), but in the end I played hours without Mizuki and it was not good too.... I'm a little disappointed, but not for the reasons I thought.
CloverChiaki96 Jul 1, 2022 @ 11:21am 
Originally posted by Banshee:
I think the contrary, I prefer the first game. Not a huge fan of somnium in this one, less funny situation and choices.
For humour it's the same, I prefer the first, and a lot of joke are forced, especially Tama's jokes.
A lot of place are exactly the same as before, and I like they said "don't have to play the first game", because in fact, a lot of jokes or notes are references of first game situations.

I don't like too the "power" of AI, syncs live with xray or thermo parameters, seeing their last actions... its sounds a lot like a deus ex....

Some characters are cool, yes, Gen and Ryuki, I like Tama despite her jokes. But I don't like Shoma and Komeji... their part is long, absolutely not funny and cliché.

Overall, it ok, and the story looks interesting so far, but I find the game less good, less funny. I was not surprise, when I heard Mizuki will be with Aiba, because the alchemy is not the same with Date (they're totally opposed), but in the end I played hours without Mizuki and it was not good too.... I'm a little disappointed, but not for the reasons I thought.
I disagree with you.
Originally posted by Banshee:
I agree with him... well, on certain things...

the problem with sequels is it's difficult to capture what worked in the first part while being so hyper-aware and self-conscious. The major accomplishment of the first game was having 'heart', which is a difficult thing to deliberately reproduce

let's be honest, Komeji's jokes weren't funny, Tama laughing at them was supposed to either: make them seem more funny, excuse you having to sit through them, or make it seem like Tama's response was itself the entertainment

in the last game, Date's porn obsession was framed as being amusing... I'm sure after a backlash, the second game has everyone 'groan' or 'eyeroll' as a response. I did wonder, why after Date got his memories back, that his (Falco's) romance with Hitomi (Iris's mother) was dropped without explanation

I had no problem with AI x-ray, thermo, they seem really plausible, since we already have machines that can do that... the scene recreation powers reminded me of the Batman Arkham games, which I enjoyed

I'm probably the only person who didn't like Gen lol

Date and Alba do have the best chemistry among duo's, part of it is the writing, but also the voice actor's talents

I still liked the game enough that I would play a third the day it came out
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fireheart126 Jul 1, 2022 @ 9:25pm 
Originally posted by ꧁꧂drhouse꧁꧂:
Originally posted by Banshee:
I agree with him... well, on certain things...

the problem with sequels is it's difficult to capture what worked in the first part while being so hyper-aware and self-conscious. The major accomplishment of the first game was having 'heart', which is a difficult thing to deliberately reproduce

let's be honest, Komeji's jokes weren't funny, Tama laughing at them was supposed to either: make them seem more funny, excuse you having to sit through them, or make it seem like Tama's response was itself the entertainment

in the last game, Date's porn obsession was framed as being amusing... I'm sure after a backlash, the second game has everyone 'groan' or 'eyeroll' as a response. I did wonder, why after Date got his memories back, that his (Falco's) romance with Hitomi (Iris's mother) was dropped without explanation

I had no problem with AI x-ray, thermo, they seem really plausible, since we already have machines that can do that... the scene recreation powers reminded me of the Batman Arkham games, which I enjoyed

I'm probably the only person who didn't like Gen lol

Date and Alba do have the best chemistry among duo's, part of it is the writing, but also the voice actor's talents

I still liked the game enough that I would play a third the day it came out


Regarding Date and Hitomi, it's not so much that their relationship has dropped, it's just that Date spends a decent chunk of the game's timeline missing, and thus unavailable.
Alexios Jul 1, 2022 @ 9:43pm 
I agree. IMO this is probably Uchikoshi's most accessible and as a consequence, his best work. I really hated the gameplay in the Zero Escape Trilogy and the new games fixed it by letting the AI solve the puzzles that needed notes. The puzzles themselves were also a lot more upfront unlike the previous puzzle games which were puzzles for the sake of it. I think AI Somnium 1 had a more personal and better story but issues I had in terms of gameplay were fixed in the sequel.
Domme Jul 2, 2022 @ 2:41am 
Originally posted by ꧁꧂drhouse꧁꧂:

let's be honest, Komeji's jokes weren't funny, Tama laughing at them was supposed to either: make them seem more funny, excuse you having to sit through them, or make it seem like Tama's response was itself the entertainment

I beg to differ. The "vice principle" joke was genuinely funny.
Lynfinity Jul 2, 2022 @ 4:06am 
Originally posted by ꧁꧂drhouse꧁꧂:
I did wonder, why after Date got his memories back, that his (Falco's) romance with Hitomi (Iris's mother) was dropped without explanation
Probably because regaining memories and regaining feelings are two completely different things. Like, yes, he got the memories of his past life back, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel the same way towards Hitomi again.
OneStrangePerson Jul 2, 2022 @ 4:29am 
Originally posted by Diva of Despair:
Originally posted by ꧁꧂drhouse꧁꧂:
I did wonder, why after Date got his memories back, that his (Falco's) romance with Hitomi (Iris's mother) was dropped without explanation
Probably because regaining memories and regaining feelings are two completely different things. Like, yes, he got the memories of his past life back, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel the same way towards Hitomi again.
There only been three months after first game and Date lost his memories again for six years. In epilogue he with Hitomi and he looks really happy. So I don't think their relationships just dropped.
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Lynfinity Jul 2, 2022 @ 4:37am 
Originally posted by OneStrangePerson:
Originally posted by Diva of Despair:
Probably because regaining memories and regaining feelings are two completely different things. Like, yes, he got the memories of his past life back, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel the same way towards Hitomi again.
There only been three months after first game and Date lost his memories again for six years. In epilogue he with Hitomi and he looks really happy. So I don't think their relationships just dropped.
You're walking on a thin ice with the spoilers here.
Banshee Jul 2, 2022 @ 4:51am 
Originally posted by ꧁꧂drhouse꧁꧂:
Originally posted by Banshee:
I agree with him... well, on certain things...

the problem with sequels is it's difficult to capture what worked in the first part while being so hyper-aware and self-conscious. The major accomplishment of the first game was having 'heart', which is a difficult thing to deliberately reproduce

let's be honest, Komeji's jokes weren't funny, Tama laughing at them was supposed to either: make them seem more funny, excuse you having to sit through them, or make it seem like Tama's response was itself the entertainment

in the last game, Date's porn obsession was framed as being amusing... I'm sure after a backlash, the second game has everyone 'groan' or 'eyeroll' as a response. I did wonder, why after Date got his memories back, that his (Falco's) romance with Hitomi (Iris's mother) was dropped without explanation

I had no problem with AI x-ray, thermo, they seem really plausible, since we already have machines that can do that... the scene recreation powers reminded me of the Batman Arkham games, which I enjoyed

I'm probably the only person who didn't like Gen lol

Date and Alba do have the best chemistry among duo's, part of it is the writing, but also the voice actor's talents

I still liked the game enough that I would play a third the day it came out

The issue with scene recreation is that, they store all this data... but how ? I mean, they have to active Xray and thermo themself during scene, why Tama/Aiba could not see the scene themself without recreating it for us ? It would be faster. Sometime they speak about their energy, but have all this data cost no energy ? Why they store this infos, if they cannot see in live this kinds of things ? For exemple with Tearer behind the scene when they recreated the the tv show. funny, Because in first game Aiba, if i remind correctly, could "feel" real people, for exemple at buildings on the docks

This + seeing caracter though in live is too much overpowered, and an easy way to running the scenario...
And it's create some absurdity, for exemple, when we play Mizuki later in the stadium and recreate the scene, something is hugely dumb :
Aiba recreate Shoma Robot and both her and Mizuki said "hey I recognize it !"... But f***... how ? I mean, why it would be Shoma's Robot ??? I can understand she uses Shoma's robot to make a staging because she had it in her memory, but why they consider it is in fact THIS robot which made it ? It's a nonsense. they can save the sceene, read people's minds and saw the past, or else ?

I think this kind of stuff is exactly the same issue I have with some manga/anime/game powers (like time travel etc), they-re to much powered, and it's create nonsenses, sometimes you don't know why, it will be flanged or used in wrong way, this is why I consider it as a Deus Ex, it's too easy to cheat and it creates a false tension, false plots.
What bothers me in any case is that in this second opus, we have the impression that the investigation can never reach a dead end, and that the scenario can at any moment choose to deviate in an unexpected and unpredictable way without it making any sense, because we can literally do anything anyway, and justify it in a way or other.
When the first one was more limited in possibilities, the scriptwriters had to think a bit more to link the different shadowy areas together.

But Again, I don't say I don't like the game or the plot, but I can consider this game 100 times better when a good part of the situations are created by such artificial mechanics...
Originally posted by OneStrangePerson:
There only been three months after first game and Date lost his memories again for six years. In epilogue he with Hitomi and he looks really happy. So I don't think their relationships just dropped.

on that note, wouldn't it make sense for Date to remove his prosthetic disguise and look like Falco again, which is how he looked when they first met (and, he said he wanted to look like Saito to appeal more to the ladies, which I found hard to believe)
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OneStrangePerson Jul 2, 2022 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Diva of Despair:
You're walking on a thin ice with the spoilers here.
Whoops. I thought you can speak unmarked spoilers in this thread. My bad. Fixed.
Originally posted by ꧁꧂drhouse꧁꧂:
on that note, wouldn't it make sense for Date to remove his prosthetic disguise and look like Falco again, which is how he looked when they first met (and, he said he wanted to look like Saito to appeal more to the ladies, which I found hard to believe)
I did find a bit strange that in the span of six years no one tried to find Date, especially because Boss and others knew his Falco's face. I wish they gave more explanation why the didn't find him.
As to Date's "appeal more to the ladies" line, even in true ending in the first game he still flirts with Receptionist, even though he also openly express that he still have feelings for Hitomi. I think this just how he is - being horny to women, while still have his one true love.
interface Jul 2, 2022 @ 10:06am 
Originally posted by OneStrangePerson:
I did find a bit strange that in the span of six years no one tried to find Date, especially because Boss and others knew his Falco's face. I wish they gave more explanation why the didn't find him.
Honestly, I didn't find this strange at all. I kinda just assumed that everyone was saying that he was "missing" because they didn't want to face the reality that he was most likely dead. But that's just how I rationalized it.
Banshee Jul 3, 2022 @ 12:20pm 
I finally finish the story, and what I said before about VR and psync live, it' the same after : just ridiculous.
For exemple in the park with Chikara's body.... how Aiba can tell about the message in the balloon AND the one in the vending machine ? They clearly said after, something like "we made it in reality and it was that"... seriously.

And the scenario, how can it be better, sorry but I hardly accept the way they explain it all about a wrong storyline... Boss has a daughter no one knows about... and she is like mizuki, she is like her (mentally, but doesn't look like when we saw her has Bis Sis), she dresses like Mizuki etc etc... but it's big sis we played... Sorry, too easy, this and what I said in my previous posts, there are many scenaristics facilities to turn things around. In the first game sometime it was laughable, but the game took itself less seriously, but a lot of junction were more acceptable, here, they do whatever they want for the simple reason that : because. It is not the voice changer thing that will make an excuse like "oh look, that changes all, it's a foreshadowing !". No, it's not, it just a detail to make a "pseudo echo" to the situation..

There are a lot of dumbs things or illogical, all the time and everywhere... for exemple : I laugh internally, but I don't think it was intentionnal, but it's me or no one care about Ryuki ? I mean, they all like "yeeeey so much fun" but the guy litteraly died next to them 1-2 minutes before

I really think it is too easy to make some mindf--k and turn of events in the way they built the scenario, things you can't make more or less predictions, turns of events made more sense in the first opus.
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