is the seed maker even worth it?

[Taken]

just gotta say id love the seed maker if it didnt take 60 hours per seed first time i used it i put 100 wheat in there its been about week real time over 60+ hours on steam and its still making seeds maybe 20-30 so far i even tried using multiple have 6 now but by time they give me enough to bother ive already went and purchased 2-300 from store. just dont see why its in the game if its gonna be this useless and ive heard the argument well itll make store pointless ok then again why is it it the game just to be useless lol unless theres skills that could trim the time down by like 90% it still wouldnt be worth the time every seed takes 60 hours drains mana an turns 1 crop into 2 seeds so 4 days to grow in game 1 week real time to process seed another 4 days in game to turn 1 wheat into 2 wheat.

[Owl->208]

I don't feel it is worth it. If they reduced the seed maker's time to say 6 hours instead of 60 hours or gave us more seeds, then we might have something that would work. The seed maker just isn't as efficient as simply going to the store and buying the seeds, at least until they nerf the store, I'd rather spend my time doing something more profitable, like mining or foraging. When you look at the cost of the plant to make 2 seeds, you are only netting 50% profit, but only after you harvest both plants and sell them.

To tell you the truth, I am playing around with the idea of being an orchard farmer. I think with skills maxed, this might be better way to make gold in the long run than even Elven grape farming. I need to run the numbers. Just off hand the profit on Elven grapes is 25 gold and I'm pretty sure orchard fruits sell for more. A big farm's worth and again another Hmmm.

I know using nets is so much easier than fishing, especially since you can be doing other things while the nets work on their own. Fishing just takes so long. My favorite way to fish for gold is using the spell bubble net. It also allows me to fish other places where i can't use a fishing rod or net. Another player got their mana up to 2,000, so spamming bubble net is an interesting thought....especially if I get fishing skills up that improve spawning and fish type to epic. Hmmm.

All these sound more profitable than farming. Though once you have Earthquake and Rain Cloud farming does become easier.

[JimSilver]

Seed Maker is useful for making tree saplings from trees like Peaches that cost over 2k+, but can be simply gained for free this way. You can also make multiple of them and run them all at the same time, and simply keep a portion of your harvest to process to help lower your costs, especially with the procs for extra seeds.

[Owl->208]

^ I didn't realize you could get tree saplings from peaches or other fruits using the seed maker. This is a real game changer, You are right about sapling costs being over 2k gold, so using a seed maker to get the saplings could be worth it - I'll have to run the numbers, but at first glance that's a great idea. Again, being an orchard farmer was something I was considering even with the sapling cost at over 2K gold. I was planning to slowly build it up, but with a seed maker cutting that cost down to nearly nothing since fruit can be foraged everywhere - If I recall correctly there are peach trees are near King Slimus in the Western Forest for example - being an orchard farmer could be a profitable option to explore! Fruit trees are not subject to pests or weather effects either, are they? As far as the weather,, only winter could be a problem. Does anyone know if fruit trees give fruit in the fall or winter? I know they give fruit in the spring and summer....

[Taken]

Originally posted by JimSilver:

Seed Maker is useful for making tree saplings from trees like Peaches that cost over 2k+, but can be simply gained for free this way. You can also make multiple of them and run them all at the same time, and simply keep a portion of your harvest to process to help lower your costs, especially with the procs for extra seeds.

i did find it useful for trees kinda forgot it has that as a use and those being 60 hours makes sense because you can forage fruits from all tree types an then have all your own an save massive amount from the store price making the store tree useless for sure when you can make them for free why pay 8k per seed which again makes me think about why the time for crops is 60 hours for 1 seed. for a tree i total get that because that tree is going to continue to make you money especially if you process them into jams etc. i almost thought maybe the 60 hour for everything wasnt intended but guess it is. i noticed after the update today my mana stays full no matter what i use the number goes down but bar is full an even if it reaches 0 it still uses spells so hopfully that gets fixed i wanted more mana but now feels cheaty to have unlimited. i do hope they make some changes to the seed maker i did try an run 6 of them to see if that would make it less of a pain and its still no good id need to fill entire farm with them but filling each one would probally get annoying tbh and would cost ton resources to make 100 seed makers and id still need to wait day an half in game time to get any seeds i donno it just doesnt make any sense to me like with food potions even smelting you can increase the time a little bit ive even unlocked skills that increase all crafting tables or w.e but its 60 hours i dont think skill affects seed maker and if it does defiantly no where near enough. but for fruit trees its great to use once. i did 4 of each tree an never needed trees again so forgot about it but it is really nice way to get the fruit trees

[Taken]

Originally posted by Owl->208:

^ I didn't realize you could get tree saplings from peaches or other fruits using the seed maker. This is a real game changer, You are right about sapling costs being over 2k gold, so using a seed maker to get the saplings could be worth it - I'll have to run the numbers, but at first glance that's a great idea. Again, being an orchard farmer was something I was considering even with the sapling cost at over 2K gold. I was planning to slowly build it up, but with a seed maker cutting that cost down to nearly nothing since fruit can be foraged everywhere - If I recall correctly there are peach trees are near King Slimus in the Western Forest for example - being an orchard farmer could be a profitable option to explore! Fruit trees are not subject to pests or weather effects either, are they? As far as the weather,, only winter could be a problem. Does anyone know if fruit trees give fruit in the fall or winter? I know they give fruit in the spring and summer....

i havnt got into winter season but probally will in next day or 2 i can let you know if they fruit, i did see somewhere on youtube you can chop down fruit trees with axe you get the wood an the seed so you could get fruit and wood but youd have to replant the seed an wait 10 days again but nice you get the seed back even if you just want to move the apple trees you get at start or need to move them later on

[Saberris]

So as of the newest update, it seems like we can no longer make tree saplings from the seed maker(booooo). It will still process ones that are queued up but the recipes are no longer present, at least not that I can find.
So really not sure if the seed maker is worth it, unless it is for very pricey items, but even then probably not.

[Owl->208]

^This SUCKS. The new 0.7 update is like a massive debuff. Pests and crappy totems, Nerfs to farming, Nerfs to seed making, Plants catch on fire. Geez, Give some love to the farmers, please. It's not like we were overpowered.....

This community is a great source of information because there is no guide and the wiki is pretty outdated, Roselyn's videos are >fire< Thank you, Roselyn!

Question - Thanks to ice can you still use fishing nets in the winter?

@saberris The only use for the seed maker I've seen is to make Elven Grape seeds because you may not be able to buy them in the winter. If you have the gold, you can buy them in advance - but is unlikely to have enough gold, so buying some sure, but using the seed maker and the spring totem helps get enough seeds for 28+ days.

Since it takes 60!!! hours to make two seeds from one plant - this makes the seed maker unprofitable usually- yet when you have 2-3 seasons time to make them this might work out especially with multiple seed makers and having the seed maker skill at 3 since that gives you a 25% chance to get 2 extra seeds when it procs for a total of 4 seeds from 1 plant.

Now that it is not possible to make saplings in the seed maker, I'll have to give this a shot until they nerf this too. Maybe I'll give up farming or go back to the slow orchard farming given the ridiculous cost of saplings. It really seems like mining or even foraging is more profitable than regular or orchard farming, I feel Elven Grape farming is really the only profitable option there is right now.

Update: I can confirm that the recipes for saplings are indeed gone from the seed maker. I can also confirm that the Elven Grape recipe for the seed maker still survives after the micro update. I'll update again once I've tried out the seed maker for Elven Grapes over 3 seasons to see how that works out profitability-wise providing the seed maker recipes aren't nerfed again in the future.

[Taken]

Originally posted by Owl->208:

^This SUCKS. The new 0.7 update is like a massive debuff. Pests and crappy totems, Nerfs to farming, Nerfs to seed making, Plants catch on fire. Geez, Give some love to the farmers, please. It's not like we were overpowered.....

This community is a great source of information because there is no guide and the wiki is pretty outdated, Roselyn's videos are >fire< Thank you, Roselyn!

Question - Thanks to ice can you still use fishing nets in the winter?

@saberris The only use for the seed maker I've seen is to make Elven Grape seeds because you may not be able to buy them in the winter. If you have the gold, you can buy them in advance - but is unlikely to have enough gold, so buying some sure, but using the seed maker and the spring totem helps get enough seeds for 28+ days.

Since it takes 60!!! hours to make two seeds from one plant - this makes the seed maker unprofitable usually- yet when you have 2-3 seasons time to make them this might work out especially with multiple seed makers and having the seed maker skill at 3 since that gives you a 25% chance to get 2 extra seeds when it procs for a total of 4 seeds from 1 plant.

Now that it is not possible to make saplings in the seed maker, I'll have to give this a shot until they nerf this too. Maybe I'll give up farming or go back to the slow orchard farming given the ridiculous cost of saplings. It really seems like mining or even foraging is more profitable than regular or orchard farming, I feel Elven Grape farming is really the only profitable option there is right now.

Update: I can confirm that the recipes for saplings are indeed gone from the seed maker. I can also confirm that the Elven Grape recipe for the seed maker still survives after the micro update. I'll update again once I've tried out the seed maker for Elven Grapes over 3 seasons to see how that works out profitability-wise providing the seed maker recipes aren't nerfed again in the future.

no way thats crazy i mean i only used it for saplings once to get myself 4 of each tree but now im glad i did it because like we've talked about it was only real reason to use seed maker now that they nerfed it or completly changed what you can use in it kinda crazy i thought the 60 hours per seed was bug or unintended but it was tree saplings that got removed not the time it takes to produce a seed. well thats unfortunate for sure. thanks for letting me know i never opened the seed maker after the update because it was still trying its hardest to produce a seed lol if you dont mind me asking what do you mean by orchard? like fruit trees for the entire farm? just curious, is there other fruit trees outside sun haven like in nel vari or winter gate that arent in sun haven?

[Bibz741]

They reduced the time to 48hours (Which is still beyond too much) I don't get the nerf to farming seriously. If you take a game like stardew, the seed maker was awesome and made it fun, not a hassle and cumbersome.

Even if say you made like 10+ seed makers, it would take up way too much room. Its pointless. Besides the profit from farming isn't close to being worth it. Some seeds don't even pay for themselves. (I'm looking at you chocoberry)

[Taken]

so thought i would bring new info here that ive found out, after 0.7 update it shows seed maker taking 40 hours not 60 anymore its nice but no where near enough imo. haven't tested this myself but from what i have read from others you don't get wood from fruit trees anymore either and you cant use seed maker for sapling seeds as well the recipe is just gone so looks like buying them from the store is only way i know of to get them. i really dont mind tree seeds being taking from seed maker it felt little to easy to get them all tbh even with it taking 60 hours within few days you could have every fruit tree seeded, and you only had to wait for 60 hours once to get the sapling but with seeds your going to be using it over an over so 60 hours or 3 days just felt to long even with using 6 seed maker and now with the 40 hour per seed x6 seed makers still dont wanna use it and end up just buying 100's of seeds from the store by time i got 12 seeds from seed makers. now the whole no wood from fruit trees is little weird i mean its a tree we used to be able to cut them down get some wood and the seed back an you could plant it again an wait 10 days to get it back so the little amount of wood didnt seem to be huge problem its not something youd be doing alot if you wanted fruit because youd have no fruit for 10 days but maybe its because regular tree seeds are crazy expensive so they dont want players grabbing apple turning that into 2 trees then rinse an repeat and have unlimited trees, fruit, and wood so i kinda understand the changes it does makes sense in a way

[Taken]

Originally posted by Bibz741:

They reduced the time to 48hours (Which is still beyond too much) I don't get the nerf to farming seriously. If you take a game like stardew, the seed maker was awesome and made it fun, not a hassle and cumbersome.

Even if say you made like 10+ seed makers, it would take up way too much room. Its pointless. Besides the profit from farming isn't close to being worth it. Some seeds don't even pay for themselves. (I'm looking at you chocoberry)

oh mine says 40 hours which i agree is still way to long and yes i didnt want to compare stardew but as a fan of stardew and its the perfect point you made its the same kinda game same exact item does same thing so yeah ill say it to, the seed maker in stardew was amazing i dont think i ever played a save without it pretty sure there was certain items you had to put in seed maker just to get the seed and that was the only way to get the seed maybe im wrong there but totally agree it worked awesome. im still in spring season and im finding it hard to enjoy farming as much as id like half my feild is totems and scarecrows which dont guarantee anything i still have my crops ran through by everything lol also half my feild was on fire yesterday in the rain and the rain cloud spell didnt work they just stayed on fire had to go an use water can one by one slightly annoying but not the worst, i went an bought a summer totem which you can only buy in summer and only buy one its supposed to makes crops grow 15% faster within 5 tiles i tried 10-15 crops it didnt change anything it looks cool but didnt change the time to grow at all and it cost 500 summer tokens pretty much took 22 days of the summer to afford it

[Owl->208]

@ taken. By orchard I do mean a bunch of fruit trees lined up on my farm producing fruit for sale hopefully daily. There is a profession choice during character creation called orchard farmer. Its really sad because you get 1 yes 1 fruit tree. Wow - I'm going to get a lot of value for that. An orchard is multiple fruit trees, not one. So how about giving me 5 or 10 fruit tress to start. Anyway -that is what I meant by kinda sarcastically stating orchard farmer. The seed maker idea before nerf was an interesting idea that might have been viable. I still don't know if fruit trees produce fruit in the fall and winter. And isn't it awesome that they nerfed fruit trees not producing wood if chopped down? You don't get the seed every time anymore either it seems when you chop it down. WTF?

If I get the skill that increases the gold price given for all foraged items along with being able to get nearly free sapling seeds in the seed maker, it looked like creating a farm full of fruit trees, this profession (orchard farmer) might be a viable money earner. Especially with no pests, fire issues, etc I'd have to try it out to say for sure, But of course the nerf to farming which I too do not understand either came out literally the day after you posted being able to make sapling seeds in the seed maker. And the wood for chopping down fruit trees. I'm not sure I believe in coincidences. Any what's done is done and using the seed maker is no longer viable, nor is orchard farming except slow role long term due to cost -maybe. I still think foraging and mining are more profitable for now. Maybe Elven grape farming can work especially with the spells Earthquake and Rain cloud, but I'll try it out and see,

I'm glad to see the time has been dropped for making seeds in the seed marker from 60 hours to 40 hours - that is a 1/3 cut -good, but still way too long to help regular farmers. 4 hours would be a lot better, especially since you are investing one plant and mana to start the process, so it has caps already built in. Makes no sense if you want to encourage farming as a profession.

I just don't get with all the negatives how general farming is profitable. Fire, vines, pests, long growth times, costs for fertilizer, time consumptiion watering hoeing or casting spell costs, seed costs, on and on, For a miserly profit. As was mentioned, even Elven grapes only make a profit of 25 gold per plant or 175 gold per week per plant, 1 apple is 30 gold or more with skill increases to price and quantity foreaged. Fish caught in nets are worth mostly more gold, too. It just doesn't make sense to farm. Sad. Isn't this a farming sim?

[Taken]

Originally posted by Owl->208:

@ taken. By orchard I do mean a bunch of fruit trees lined up on my farm producing fruit for sale hopefully daily. There is a profession choice during character creation called orchard farmer. Its really sad because you get 1 yes 1 fruit tree. Wow - I'm going to get a lot of value for that. An orchard is multiple fruit trees, not one. So how about giving me 5 or 10 fruit tress to start. Anyway -that is what I meant by kinda sarcastically stating orchard farmer. The seed maker idea before nerf was an interesting idea that might have been viable. I still don't know if fruit trees produce fruit in the fall and winter. And isn't it awesome that they nerfed fruit trees not producing wood if chopped down? You don't get the seed every time anymore either it seems when you chop it down. WTF?

If I get the skill that increases the gold price given for all foraged items along with being able to get nearly free sapling seeds in the seed maker, it looked like creating a farm full of fruit trees, this profession (orchard farmer) might be a viable money earner. Especially with no pests, fire issues, etc I'd have to try it out to say for sure, But of course the nerf to farming which I too do not understand either came out literally the day after you posted being able to make sapling seeds in the seed maker. And the wood for chopping down fruit trees. I'm not sure I believe in coincidences. Any what's done is done and using the seed maker is no longer viable, nor is orchard farming except slow role long term due to cost -maybe. I still think foraging and mining are more profitable for now. Maybe Elven grape farming can work especially with the spells Earthquake and Rain cloud, but I'll try it out and see,

I'm glad to see the time has been dropped for making seeds in the seed marker from 60 hours to 40 hours - that is a 1/3 cut -good, but still way too long to help regular farmers. 4 hours would be a lot better, especially since you are investing one plant and mana to start the process, so it has caps already built in. Makes no sense if you want to encourage farming as a profession.

I just don't get with all the negatives how general farming is profitable. Fire, vines, pests, long growth times, costs for fertilizer, time consumptiion watering hoeing or casting spell costs, seed costs, on and on, For a miserly profit. As was mentioned, even Elven grapes only make a profit of 25 gold per plant or 175 gold per week per plant, 1 apple is 30 gold or more with skill increases to price and quantity foreaged. Fish caught in nets are worth mostly more gold, too. It just doesn't make sense to farm. Sad. Isn't this a farming sim?

ok yeah i thought thats what you ment by orchard farming i wasnt quite sure though lol theres alot skills i havnt unlocked yet i am fairly new to sun haven but i do hope to max out a character so i can truely see whats what in skills alot of the descriptions in the game even outside skills are very unclear devs have even said they fixed description of things and i know they said in patch notes changes to farmer skill tree from what i noticed because im new to the game more or less is some skills are farther down to unlock then before so its hard to know whats going on there because they were it different spots before they said description for some had the same description as skills in mining skill tree and some skills ive tried looking up what they do and im still lost like letter in the mail from npcs or the letters from creatures in wild once a week what are they even in skill tree for i could invest in 3 skill points so i get 3 letters in the mail which may or may not give me items or just written letter saying hello.... not to sure if thats worth the points tbh havnt wanted to waste the skill points yet lol been trying to test out some of the food items and see how much i can raise player stats, the main reason i was interested in the seed maker was because i started section of crops that area around scarecrow protection so i started adding in all the totems and stuff that boost like mining fishing all that xp then i wanted to have 2nd area beside that so i had to make another scarecrow and all the totems again i am now up to 4 plots 4 of every totem 4 of the current season scarecrow so i have huge section thats more or less protected from pests and not really at all protected by fire lol 80% but w.e lol so i found early game it was easier for me to level all my stats by farming crops with those totems and stuff i could level my fishing exploration mining all that so i figured grapes take 1 day dont catch fire and i can really boost my stats each day but can only do so much with current mana so i needed to increase that with food so i wasnt selling crops i was basically eating them after there made into dishes so id buy as many grapes as possible go broke buy enough wheat an stuff to make food an didnt have money to keep going so seed maker i was hoping to take half crop an turn to see an sell or cook rest well seed making takes forever that really didnt help it just stops me from making food or selling for money even if i sold the crop i dont get paid until the next day so id get bottlenecked constantly theres alot cool skills though that i think will make things bit better i just havnt got as many as id like yet and some have the 3 skill points into 1 skill that means ill level mining but i actually need to level it 3 times to get full power of that skill i like the skill system for the most part its just been grindy once i hit level 40 across the skills. ive taken advantage of all skills that boost xp for doing things first over making more money so i can unlock faster kinda wondering if i can use more then one totem like would they stack say if i had 5 mining totems on one field would they give more mining xp then just having 1 or am i better off doing it the way i am now an trying to cover scarecrow area with as many xp buffs as possible because of spacing some tiles dont get covered but for most part i get more then just farming xp ill level combat fishing exploration mining just by harvesting crops i still go out an do mining but defiantly get more xp from farming then anything else atm and grapes are everyday harvest if i can keep enough seeds an mana and from what ive heard winter is issue not being able to buy them and the amount i need per day spending 20k roughly now depending how much other crops i need for food but id need like million to go all winter lol

[Owl->208]

@ taken. ^This is good stuff. I would like to email you offline for more conversation because I have at lot to share with you including some things I'd like to see not be nerfed. I have extensive knowlege of skills & skill changes because I've done a lot of testing. I'd also like a vice versa arrangement if that is agreeable to you,

If interested, my email is baracudafan @ gmail .com Thanks.

[Taken]

Originally posted by Owl->208:

@ taken. ^This is good stuff. I would like to email you offline for more conversation because I have at lot to share with you including some things I'd like to see not be nerfed. I have extensive knowlege of skills & skill changes because I've done a lot of testing. I'd also like a vice versa arrangement if that is agreeable to you,

If interested, my email is baracudafan @ gmail .com Thanks.

agreed ill email you tomorrow so you have my contact info as well :) just got into fall season and trees are still fruiting.