Sun Haven

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Misty_Roses Aug 27, 2024 @ 1:13pm
Why is it mixed rated?
I remember the game being good back when I played a while back. I come back and see its got a Mixed rating. What happened to the game?
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Ilthe Aug 27, 2024 @ 2:17pm 
many bad reviews were added when update 1.4 dropped raw and needed a lot of fixing to just be able to play the game - controls didn't work as the biggest problem I personally had

then there was a clash of opinions on new portrait art styles, than portraits were reverted to as they were before update 1.5, that could have contributed too

plus for some strange reasons many people seem to fail to understand that this game's dlc system is one of the best (if you don't count games without dlcs that is) - none of them are needed to get achievements or even new gameplay - and write bad review based on amount of dlcs, not on how they like/don't like the game
Misty_Roses Aug 27, 2024 @ 2:52pm 
Originally posted by Ilthe:
many bad reviews were added when update 1.4 dropped raw and needed a lot of fixing to just be able to play the game - controls didn't work as the biggest problem I personally had

then there was a clash of opinions on new portrait art styles, than portraits were reverted to as they were before update 1.5, that could have contributed too

plus for some strange reasons many people seem to fail to understand that this game's dlc system is one of the best (if you don't count games without dlcs that is) - none of them are needed to get achievements or even new gameplay - and write bad review based on amount of dlcs, not on how they like/don't like the game

so is it basically back to good now, just a bunch of hickups that got fixed and then a bunch of people hating without knowing what they r hating about? this kind of dlc is what dlc should be. no pay to win nothin like that. just pretty stuff to make ur game look better if u want. and i mean heck its not an online game so even if they wanted to make it so "you garden grows in 2 miliseconds"... who cares. well only online with friends or max 8. so i mean ya. doesnt really matter tbh.
Ilthe Aug 27, 2024 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Misty_Roses:
Originally posted by Ilthe:
many bad reviews were added when update 1.4 dropped raw and needed a lot of fixing to just be able to play the game - controls didn't work as the biggest problem I personally had

then there was a clash of opinions on new portrait art styles, than portraits were reverted to as they were before update 1.5, that could have contributed too

plus for some strange reasons many people seem to fail to understand that this game's dlc system is one of the best (if you don't count games without dlcs that is) - none of them are needed to get achievements or even new gameplay - and write bad review based on amount of dlcs, not on how they like/don't like the game

so is it basically back to good now, just a bunch of hickups that got fixed and then a bunch of people hating without knowing what they r hating about? this kind of dlc is what dlc should be. no pay to win nothin like that. just pretty stuff to make ur game look better if u want. and i mean heck its not an online game so even if they wanted to make it so "you garden grows in 2 miliseconds"... who cares. well only online with friends or max 8. so i mean ya. doesnt really matter tbh.

my game doesn't have problems now, but I don't use controller, mods or multiplayer - can't say if the problems people were having with that are fixed
Misty_Roses Aug 27, 2024 @ 3:03pm 
i tried controller for a few minutes on my farm. seemed to work just fine. I was only on for the first day chopping/digging around my farm. i didnt even know this had mods lol. i have no friends for multiplayer :P so im good so far. i was trying to figure out what was going on cuz i wanted to possibly mention the game to a fairly big streamer. didnt want to if it was in bad shape. ill play it a bit more before i do to see if theres anything. but sounds like it's probably fine to tho. would be cool to get some more eyes on the game. his community isnt the type to just dump on the game for no reason so would be cool.
Ilthe Aug 27, 2024 @ 3:09pm 
try to progres far enough in the main quest to unlock elf city and monster city, I heard some people were having problems with that

and check winter hotpot quest (though it isn't really that important compared to going through main quest)

if that streamer decides to hop on, would you share a link, please?
Misty_Roses Aug 27, 2024 @ 3:28pm 
ok ill get at least that far and make sure everythings workin before tellin them. And ya. if i get them to play this. ill post in here. it probably wouldnt be any time soon :P but ill quote ya so ya see my post if it happens.
Inari Aug 27, 2024 @ 3:53pm 
Seems most issues people had was wiht multiplayer bugs
Misty_Roses Aug 27, 2024 @ 4:20pm 
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Sirius Aug 28, 2024 @ 5:40am 
lots of bugs and glitch , just hits summer ingame and the graphic glitch happens quite often
RastusD Aug 31, 2024 @ 9:55am 
I was confused about this too. I mean I've run into a couple crashes, but I think that is more because of my laptop ((I'll do a bit of troubleshooting on that)). Otherwise sometimes the portraits are a little glitchy after 1.5, but they seem to release patches quickly from what I've seen. Otherwise I'm enjoying it quite a bit. If anything it was better than I expected.

People also tend to expect every game to be Stardew Valley where you get loads of free content (Even though the DLC on Sun Haven is all cosmetic), but also forget Stardew came out 8 years ago.. It didn't come out with everything it has now immediately.
I've noticed this with other indie games as well, where people will review bomb them over some really dumb things. I'll look at the review and it'll show they put in 200-300+ hours into the game. Like bro, what??
Misty_Roses Aug 31, 2024 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by RastusD:
I was confused about this too. I mean I've run into a couple crashes, but I think that is more because of my laptop ((I'll do a bit of troubleshooting on that)). Otherwise sometimes the portraits are a little glitchy after 1.5, but they seem to release patches quickly from what I've seen. Otherwise I'm enjoying it quite a bit. If anything it was better than I expected.

People also tend to expect every game to be Stardew Valley where you get loads of free content (Even though the DLC on Sun Haven is all cosmetic), but also forget Stardew came out 8 years ago.. It didn't come out with everything it has now immediately.
I've noticed this with other indie games as well, where people will review bomb them over some really dumb things. I'll look at the review and it'll show they put in 200-300+ hours into the game. Like bro, what??

I haven't had the time to play this as much as i was hoping. I will soon hopefully but from other stuff I have looked at. It seems like they r good at fixing things like you said and ya, there might be some glitches. But nothing game breaking. I just came from playing sims 4...Now you talk about a team that takes FOREVER to fix things if they ever do...
And at least here its like $5 or whatever for the cute stuff. Not $10-$40 like on sims 4. and every new dlc on sims will break the game for months lol.

I hate this whole review bomb culture steam has gotten if a game has a slight hickup for a few days or something.
Skull One Aug 31, 2024 @ 5:59pm 
Originally posted by RastusD:
I was confused about this too. I mean I've run into a couple crashes, but I think that is more because of my laptop ((I'll do a bit of troubleshooting on that)). Otherwise sometimes the portraits are a little glitchy after 1.5, but they seem to release patches quickly from what I've seen. Otherwise I'm enjoying it quite a bit. If anything it was better than I expected.

People also tend to expect every game to be Stardew Valley where you get loads of free content (Even though the DLC on Sun Haven is all cosmetic), but also forget Stardew came out 8 years ago.. It didn't come out with everything it has now immediately.
I've noticed this with other indie games as well, where people will review bomb them over some really dumb things. I'll look at the review and it'll show they put in 200-300+ hours into the game. Like bro, what??
You must mean the negative review like mine. 140 hours is from Early access. I don't review games immediately, I wait for them to complete and then write a review. Crazy concept, isn't bro?

You stans in this thread are ridiculous. Being dismissive of other player's concerns is toxic behavior. There ARE people that have had game breaking bugs. and not just "for a few days or something". Just because you haven't encountered them doesn't mean they aren't there. And people don't just talk about DLC by itself; they bring up that it's bad for a dev to constantly release DLC when there are still many issues with the game. Frankly, it doesn't matter if that were the case or not since being concerned about DLC is valid in of itself - and a lot of people bought the game before any DLC was added.

There's also the price increase for some countries they randomly did, or the fact that they are looking for fans to do FREE work translating languages they already advertised that they supported. And that only came about because they wouldn't credit the original people who translated that game to begin with. But of course stans never bother to address these two points when talking about Sun Haven.

It's not review bombing if there's something actually wrong with the product, and with only 67% positive it's not a small part of the community. You can pat yourselves on the back for being 'loyal fans' all you want but paying customers have the right to share their negative experiences.
Misty_Roses Aug 31, 2024 @ 7:17pm 
Ok, calm down dude... I for one. am not stanning the game. I was just coming in asking. All I got was "oh theres only small problems" basically from everyone. no one told me any of this stuff you just said. I looked through the mixed reviews. not the general ones. my bad. in the mixed i didnt see anything bad. maybe 1 of those dlc ones. just a general "i hate dlc" person. not mentioning "why dlc when so many issues" or anything.

If all your saying is true. Then ya, there r major issues and I am not ok with that. I bought the game way before dlcs. I played it way back then and I was just coming back to it to try it again and saw all this. So don't come in yelling when you are the first person to come in saying any major issues. This, at least for me, was not an "omg how great is this game" post. I was just trying to figure things out.
Ilthe Sep 1, 2024 @ 4:30pm 
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Originally posted by Skull One:
Originally posted by RastusD:
I was confused about this too. I mean I've run into a couple crashes, but I think that is more because of my laptop ((I'll do a bit of troubleshooting on that)). Otherwise sometimes the portraits are a little glitchy after 1.5, but they seem to release patches quickly from what I've seen. Otherwise I'm enjoying it quite a bit. If anything it was better than I expected.

People also tend to expect every game to be Stardew Valley where you get loads of free content (Even though the DLC on Sun Haven is all cosmetic), but also forget Stardew came out 8 years ago.. It didn't come out with everything it has now immediately.
I've noticed this with other indie games as well, where people will review bomb them over some really dumb things. I'll look at the review and it'll show they put in 200-300+ hours into the game. Like bro, what??
You must mean the negative review like mine. 140 hours is from Early access. I don't review games immediately, I wait for them to complete and then write a review. Crazy concept, isn't bro?

You stans in this thread are ridiculous. Being dismissive of other player's concerns is toxic behavior. There ARE people that have had game breaking bugs. and not just "for a few days or something". Just because you haven't encountered them doesn't mean they aren't there. And people don't just talk about DLC by itself; they bring up that it's bad for a dev to constantly release DLC when there are still many issues with the game. Frankly, it doesn't matter if that were the case or not since being concerned about DLC is valid in of itself - and a lot of people bought the game before any DLC was added.

There's also the price increase for some countries they randomly did, or the fact that they are looking for fans to do FREE work translating languages they already advertised that they supported. And that only came about because they wouldn't credit the original people who translated that game to begin with. But of course stans never bother to address these two points when talking about Sun Haven.

It's not review bombing if there's something actually wrong with the product, and with only 67% positive it's not a small part of the community. You can pat yourselves on the back for being 'loyal fans' all you want but paying customers have the right to share their negative experiences.

Dismissing all the people who don't have any major (or even any at all) issues with the game is ridiculous and very toxic not only to players, but also to the devs, which can eventually just kill off the game. How petty people can be? Bugs were introduced, bugs were fixed.

There are some issues for some people, they share their experiences - normal people do it on bug report sections of this forums and discord and wharever else devs asked this experiences to be posted, so devs can actually work on fixing issues.

I was among the people who couldn't play due to not being able to remap game controls into a comfortable configuration (and that is mostly a ME issue, the game itself worked, it was just not comfortable, because I was used to my remapped controls) for two weeks after 1.4 update, but devs rolled out a bunch of fixes and the game was almost perfectly playable again, with two more weeks of further bug fixing and translation updates. A lot of people were not bothered with unchangeable default controls and were playing just fine. A lot of people don't care about any of translation issues at all, because they speak english. And yes, there were pages worth of bug reports and complaints at least here on the forum.

Most of the DLC complaints with this games are absolutely ridiculous and come from ignorant people who don't have a clue of how development, programming and running a business works. Making cosmetic DLCs (art team working) is the way to pay the "fixing issues" coder team without actually adding new issues.
And most sane people I know would prefer cheap basegame that has all the gameplay in it and non-mandatory cosmetic DLCs. Having many cheap different themed DLCs allows to skip on themes you are not interested and only grab what you waht if you want.
Yeah, some extremely super popular "genre staple" games can afford not needing DLCs while rolling new contents and bugfixing past ones, Sun Haven is not that.

Complaining about price increases while complaining about existance of DLCs is the most ignorant and entitled thing I've ever seen. One can't have both "keep the game dirt cheap priced like it was in early access ages ago, inflation is a lie" and "no DLCs ever allowed!" lol. The game is a commercial product, it costs money. I lived in a country with not functional economy, I took some extra gigs and saved up money to buy things I wanted.

Previous game translations were made by fan volunteers, important nuance is that agreement was that this volunteers should have been credited, and they were not. Volunteers because of that desided to not allow the game to use their translations anymore, this is perfectly valid. The game team than made a surprised pikachu face and rolled out some awful barely comprehensive auto-translate. Then there were a lot of "translation improvement" patches after that. And yes, now they are searching for some new translation volunteers, how this new arrangement would work, I have no idea, hopefully whoever participates will be credited if they want it.
Many games I play are community-translated, this is a normal practice for small games. Not crediting community translators, if this translations are bundled into the game is not.
I play english, even it is not my first language, english localisation is fine. There are some weird wording sometimes in other languages I speak, but I was finding weird at least third of dialogs anyway even before the translationpocalypse.

It is review bombing when instead of describing the game people complain about not directly related things like their opinion on the amount of DLCs or pricing or devs being too slow (in their unqualified and entitled opinion) in adding new free content.
And in my opinion, it is review bombing if people complain about already fixed bugs or blame the game when their modded saves break after major updates.
Last edited by Ilthe; Sep 1, 2024 @ 4:34pm
TamanduaGirl Sep 6, 2024 @ 11:26am 
Originally posted by Ilthe:
it is review bombing if people complain about already fixed bugs

Well, if a bug made a player leave and left a bad review you can't expect they will keep up with news on the game to come back and change their review. Most people who leave games because of a bad bugs, never come back. So yeah there will always be reviews on bugs that got fixed eventually, it doesn't mean it was malicious.
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Date Posted: Aug 27, 2024 @ 1:13pm
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