Betrayed Achievement

[HarleyS]

Does anyone know how to get the betrayed achievement?

[Artemisia]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย joridiculous:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

Okay, but how do you get there? Cos i go to the attic as Kate, then i unlock Junta's coffer and there's the reel and the letter right? The letter starts the cutscene so my first play i took that and immediately i get to talk to Junta and the Loyal achievement pops. How did you get the part where Dana even knows Leni took the lens? Is it that you have to take the reel first?

Dana tells you she took the camera (lens) when you talk with her on the terrace in one of the scenes with all the people there (and i think Junta was shooting the guy) before you get to unlock Junta's coffer. Dana asks you not to tell junta.
(IF i remember correctly)

You mean Leni tells Dana? Okay i'll try. Its the flashback right before you go up to the attic right?

[joridiculous]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย joridiculous:

Dana tells you she took the camera (lens) when you talk with her on the terrace in one of the scenes with all the people there (and i think Junta was shooting the guy) before you get to unlock Junta's coffer. Dana asks you not to tell junta.
(IF i remember correctly)

You mean Leni tells Dana? Okay i'll try. Its the flashback right before you go up to the attic right?

Lol yeah. Just a slight mix-up of names
I'm not sure which flashback or exactly when, but i think its before you find the lens in the attic.

[Artemisia]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย joridiculous:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

You mean Leni tells Dana? Okay i'll try. Its the flashback right before you go up to the attic right?

Lol yeah. Just a slight mix-up of names :lunar2019laughingpig:
I'm not sure which flashback or exactly when, but i think its before you find the lens in the attic.

When i originally did it i only found the letter and the reel i don't know what the lens is. Does Kate find it or it just comes up in the convo with Leni prior?

[jlawleraz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

Does Kate find it or it just comes up in the convo with Leni prior?

It is in the conversation outside when Dana notices Leni playing with the lens. The player actually sees the lens in Leni's hands and can have Dana talk to Leni about it.

[Artemisia]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย jlawleraz:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

Does Kate find it or it just comes up in the convo with Leni prior?

It is in the conversation outside when Dana notices Leni playing with the lens. The player actually sees the lens in Leni's hands and can have Dana talk to Leni about it.

Okay, i think i figured out where i went wrong.

I didn't speak to Leni and i didn't see her with the lens and that's why i auto unlocked Loyal when i was in the attic with Junta.

One has to speak to Leni where she talks about the lens, go to the attic and speak to Junta and there is 2 options of denouncing her or ratting her out (which i didn't get last time), and then when reuniting with Leni at the refuge she'll (presumably, since i'm not there yet) question you about why you ratted her and the achievement will unlock.

Will have to play all the way through to confirm it but it seems i understand now. Hence my previous confusion.

None of the guides emphasise how important it is to TALK TO LENI. its the prereq for the entire achievement and most guides just say 'rat on leni to junta'

[Artemisia]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย jlawleraz:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

Does Kate find it or it just comes up in the convo with Leni prior?

It is in the conversation outside when Dana notices Leni playing with the lens. The player actually sees the lens in Leni's hands and can have Dana talk to Leni about it.

I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. I chose from the heart and picked 'apologise' rather than 'justify' which is what the whole achiement is about.

5 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hours of gameplay WASTED. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥.

[rebob777]

Does Microids agree with my analysis on achievements?
I tried an experiment. After playing the entire game and being loyal to Leni in segment 10-12 the loyal achievement is won. I then replayed segments 10-12 and was disloyal. When I played segment 38 Leni did not question Dani's loyalty as I hoped. I think that proves that the loyalty/betrayal decision is carried from segment to segment in the segment data rather than in some other database, so all segments from 10 thru 38 must be played so that in segment 38 the game remembers what happened in segments 10-12. Starting the game using segment 38 from the game where loyalty decisions were made would control what Leni does in that segment. Perhaps the Microids people might consider having a current game achievement database separate from the segment data so the betrayal/loyal achievement could be gained by only playing segments 10-12 and 38. The other achievements could also be gained by only replaying certain segments, such as clearing email, eavesdropping on the phone conversation, finding out about Vaghen history before opening the coffer, etc.

[Ccf]

This one is bugged for me. While playing as Dana, I do not even have the choice to report or be loyal to Leni for some reason. This is outrageous.

[Artemisia]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย o3uf:

This one is bugged for me. While playing as Dana, I do not even have the choice to report or be loyal to Leni for some reason. This is outrageous.

Did you speak to Leni about the Lens on the balcony and she made you promise not to tell before you did other things?

[Ccf]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Artemisia:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย o3uf:

This one is bugged for me. While playing as Dana, I do not even have the choice to report or be loyal to Leni for some reason. This is outrageous.

Did you speak to Leni about the Lens on the balcony and she made you promise not to tell before you did other things?

Indeed. If you do not talk to Leni while playing as Dana, then when Junta asks you if Leni did stole something, the dialog option letting you choose weither or not you can betray Leni does not show.

This makes sense, yet the way the dialog is skipped if you did not talk to Leni is a bit awkward. But I guess most players will have a chat with Leni on the balcony anyway.

Luckily there is a way to go back and retrieve an old save so that I only had to replay that part of the game and not things since the beginning!