Why am I forced to lose?

[MerleDixon]

New Player here. First 500 Games, Tier 1-5, Winrate about 60%. Last 180 Games are very frustrating with a Winrate about 24%. Yesterday i played 30 Games and won 4 (!) of them. Now i am one of these "Tomatoes" like Old School players say. Today 18 Games and 2 Wins with 14 defeats in a row.
No, i dont need a break from the game, because i perform good. In most battles i am in Top 5 of my team, often most damage a lot of medals and awards.
This loosing spree started 4 Days ago. Since then i also have a lot of ricochets and misses, even with premium ammo, but still Top 5 in my Team most of the time.
It seems like i am forced to lose. No matter how i play, even if i kill half of the enemy team. Shouldn't good and ambitious players awarded? This is so fking frustrating, really!
I play for fun, but i am also a sportsman and want to win, especially if i play good.
I have no problem to lose if i play botlike.

[Flatearth_aintnoplanetx]

you are the common denominator in your losses, whether you believe you're the best or not.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally posted by MerleDixon:

New Player here. First 500 Games, Tier 1-5, Winrate about 60%. Last 180 Games are very frustrating with a Winrate about 24%. Yesterday i played 30 Games and won 4 (!) of them. Now i am one of these "Tomatoes" like Old School players say. Today 18 Games and 2 Wins with 14 defeats in a row.
No, i dont need a break from the game, because i perform good. In most battles i am in Top 5 of my team, often most damage a lot of medals and awards.
This loosing spree started 4 Days ago. Since then i also have a lot of ricochets and misses, even with premium ammo, but still Top 5 in my Team most of the time.
It seems like i am forced to lose. No matter how i play, even if i kill half of the enemy team. Shouldn't good and ambitious players awarded? This is so ♥♥♥♥♥ frustrating, really!
I play for fun, but i am also a sportsman and want to win, especially if i play good.
I have no problem to lose if i play botlike.

It does seem that way. It really does. It's not.

The nature of 15v15 matchmaking (that doesn't take into account skill) is massive win/lose streaks. I have tanks that I'm way better in than in any other. I earn more xp. My destruction/kill ratios are my absolute best. And yet somehow, I have less than 50% wins.

To be blunt, your individual performance within a battle is irrelevant unless it is exceptional. And by "exceptional" I mean really exceptional. Like, top 5% of players. No need to feel bad for not being one of these people.

It may also be that you aren't ready for tiers above V, yet. It's totally cool to stay at V to build up your crews. Many people do it. Mostly with premiums, but... it's just as viable with strong tech-tree tanks.

The game is significantly more difficult at VI than V. Couldn't tell you the reason, but it's palpable. Try grinding up at least two skills and/or perks before playing at VI. (Even consider going back to a V that you were good with. No shame in that.)

[RedCor]

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

Originally posted by MerleDixon:

New Player here. First 500 Games, Tier 1-5, Winrate about 60%. Last 180 Games are very frustrating with a Winrate about 24%. Yesterday i played 30 Games and won 4 (!) of them. Now i am one of these "Tomatoes" like Old School players say. Today 18 Games and 2 Wins with 14 defeats in a row.
No, i dont need a break from the game, because i perform good. In most battles i am in Top 5 of my team, often most damage a lot of medals and awards.
This loosing spree started 4 Days ago. Since then i also have a lot of ricochets and misses, even with premium ammo, but still Top 5 in my Team most of the time.
It seems like i am forced to lose. No matter how i play, even if i kill half of the enemy team. Shouldn't good and ambitious players awarded? This is so ♥♥♥♥♥ frustrating, really!
I play for fun, but i am also a sportsman and want to win, especially if i play good.
I have no problem to lose if i play botlike.

It does seem that way. It really does. It's not.

The nature of 15v15 matchmaking (that doesn't take into account skill) is massive win/lose streaks. I have tanks that I'm way better in than in any other. I earn more xp. My destruction/kill ratios are my absolute best. And yet somehow, I have less than 50% wins.

To be blunt, your individual performance within a battle is irrelevant unless it is exceptional. And by "exceptional" I mean really exceptional. Like, top 5% of players. No need to feel bad for not being one of these people.

It may also be that you aren't ready for tiers above V, yet. It's totally cool to stay at V to build up your crews. Many people do it. Mostly with premiums, but... it's just as viable with strong tech-tree tanks.

The game is significantly more difficult at VI than V. Couldn't tell you the reason, but it's palpable. Try grinding up at least two skills and/or perks before playing at VI. (Even consider going back to a V that you were good with. No shame in that.)

with exception of looooooong match waiting...

[Tormunda]

Originally posted by MerleDixon:

New Player here. First 500 Games, Tier 1-5, Winrate about 60%. Last 180 Games are very frustrating with a Winrate about 24%. Yesterday i played 30 Games and won 4 (!) of them. Now i am one of these "Tomatoes" like Old School players say. Today 18 Games and 2 Wins with 14 defeats in a row.
No, i dont need a break from the game, because i perform good. In most battles i am in Top 5 of my team, often most damage a lot of medals and awards.
This loosing spree started 4 Days ago. Since then i also have a lot of ricochets and misses, even with premium ammo, but still Top 5 in my Team most of the time.
It seems like i am forced to lose. No matter how i play, even if i kill half of the enemy team. Shouldn't good and ambitious players awarded? This is so ♥♥♥♥♥ frustrating, really!
I play for fun, but i am also a sportsman and want to win, especially if i play good.
I have no problem to lose if i play botlike.

Win/loss rate does not have as much effect as you think.
It is what you do in each match that counts.

An extreme example would be, you kill 14 of the enemy solo and then the last one gets you. The loss is not important.

Your rating is based upon
Damage you do
Damage due to you spotting
Tanks you kill
Damage taken
Damage blocked
Average xp
and yes, win/loss

In theory it would be possible for you to have one of the top ratings and never win a match, you would just have to be awesome while your team was rubbish - lol

[TooTiFrooTi]

I feel you, losing feels rough especially when you do your best yet still fail but it really is just about being in your day or not. Here I am with 15 matches all victories one day and the next day I start playing I lose most of my games. Just look forward for your personal performance and just have fun. Stats are not a big deal. It's about the fun factor.

Some days you are a winner, some days you are just intended to lose.

[KaiserSchnitzel]

Look man, I've been playing this game since 2011 and all I can say is get used to it. You'll always have streaks; they never go away. You also can't control the other players on your team. And, trust me; you have a lot to learn. You've got to not get frustrated, especially if you play for fun. At 680-ish games played and playing tier 5, you have not even scratched the surface.

Also turn off chat. In game chat was only fun when you could trash talk the other team during the game. Your own team is probably not going to say anything good to you until gg at the end of the game.

Just relax and don't let the losses get to you; they literally don't matter.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally posted by RedCor:

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

It may also be that you aren't ready for tiers above V, yet. It's totally cool to stay at V to build up your crews. Many people do it. Mostly with premiums, but... it's just as viable with strong tech-tree tanks.

The game is significantly more difficult at VI than V. Couldn't tell you the reason, but it's palpable. Try grinding up at least two skills and/or perks before playing at VI. (Even consider going back to a V that you were good with. No shame in that.)

with exception of looooooong match waiting...

What are you talking about? I've no idea.

Even when there's only 2k people online, there's a match to be found at tier V.

[Toetje583]

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

Originally posted by RedCor:

with exception of looooooong match waiting...

What are you talking about? I've no idea.

Even when there's only 2k people online, there's a match to be found at tier V.

Wait what im playing t5 only, dident want to go up higher until I learn more, I never have issues, I even sometimes que up with t7 but whatever they get some APCR from me :)

[MerleDixon]

Conclusion after 800+ Battles:
A lot of tanks get gunmarks, master ace, most of the time still in top 5 of the team by damage done, but 28-34% (!) winrate with these tanks.
Grinding is so frustrating because you get a couple of XP and through this you need hundrets of battles (instead of a couple if you win) to get yout tank fully built.
Sorry, but this game is just ridiculous for new players. Tier 1-3 you get raped by hightier player platoons in OP tanks with Premiumammo. Game ends after 3 minutes and every one of them have 4-5 Kills. Tier 4-5 not so much of them but you lose 8 of 10 games, half of the team does 0 damage.
Whats the point of daily 2x XP if you need 6-8 battles to get it? With 5 Tanks i need 40 games to win 5 times. That's just hilarious und extremely frustrating.
I'm ok with a day of losing all the time but 4 days in a row with 20-30% winrate is just outrageously.
Best one in this game: you lose all the time but you get spammed by the game with "congratulations you earn this and that", getting medals and awards, just for losing.
I try to get 1000 battles and see what will happen. According to the current status i will stop playing and uninstall it. No hate (just frustration) but i'm ok with it if the game isn't for me.

[Rod]

Originally posted by MerleDixon:

Conclusion after 800+ Battles:
A lot of tanks get gunmarks, master ace, most of the time still in top 5 of the team by damage done, but 28-34% (!) winrate with these tanks.
Grinding is so frustrating because you get a couple of XP and through this you need hundrets of battles (instead of a couple if you win) to get yout tank fully built.
Sorry, but this game is just ridiculous for new players. Tier 1-3 you get raped by hightier player platoons in OP tanks with Premiumammo. Game ends after 3 minutes and every one of them have 4-5 Kills. Tier 4-5 not so much of them but you lose 8 of 10 games, half of the team does 0 damage.
Whats the point of daily 2x XP if you need 6-8 battles to get it? With 5 Tanks i need 40 games to win 5 times. That's just hilarious und extremely frustrating.
I'm ok with a day of losing all the time but 4 days in a row with 20-30% winrate is just outrageously.
Best one in this game: you lose all the time but you get spammed by the game with "congratulations you earn this and that", getting medals and awards, just for losing.
I try to get 1000 battles and see what will happen. According to the current status i will stop playing and uninstall it. No hate (just frustration) but i'm ok with it if the game isn't for me.

The game after 11yrs refused to accept that they need to seperate people based on PR and skills. You are playing against people with 7000PR and 60,000 battles and you have 800. They go down to tier V and i do sometimes because this is one of the best tiers alongside 8 and 10. This is the seal clubber tier where you find people stay and learn for a long time but also become attached to historical tanks like KV series etc.

And when i go down there, I can take my 7 skill crews in my KV1 and abuse that advantage. Not that i do... I personally went right into tier 8 on a Lowe and learned the game that way and attracted much hate. But thats a long long long time ago. But it still happens and is still a problem.

I feel your pain, I expect you will quit most do because Wargaming refuse to accept this factual reality and improve thier game. And they have been told this over and over.

[ali_en]

Originally posted by Rodders:

The game after 11yrs refused to accept that they need to seperate people based on PR and skills. You are playing against people with 7000PR and 60,000 battles and you have 800. They go down to tier V and i do sometimes because this is one of the best tiers alongside 8 and 10. This is the seal clubber tier where you find people stay and learn for a long time but also become attached to historical tanks like KV series etc.

And when i go down there, I can take my 7 skill crews in my KV1 and abuse that advantage. Not that i do... I personally went right into tier 8 on a Lowe and learned the game that way and attracted much hate. But thats a long long long time ago. But it still happens and is still a problem.

I feel your pain, I expect you will quit most do because Wargaming refuse to accept this factual reality and improve thier game. And they have been told this over and over.

Battles based on the players' skill already implemented in Ranked Battles mode - did you have a chance to play?
Also, according to "You are playing against people with 7000PR and 60,000 battles and you have 800." - do you realize that it would have harmful effect on the balancer in case it will create battle rooms also based on the PR and battles amount taking into account that it is working in terms of tanks levels and its types? In order to get a chance to get into a battle player will spend more time than now in queue and is it what we want to do in game? IMHO - no

[Rod]

Originally posted by ali_en:

Originally posted by Rodders:

The game after 11yrs refused to accept that they need to seperate people based on PR and skills. You are playing against people with 7000PR and 60,000 battles and you have 800. They go down to tier V and i do sometimes because this is one of the best tiers alongside 8 and 10. This is the seal clubber tier where you find people stay and learn for a long time but also become attached to historical tanks like KV series etc.

And when i go down there, I can take my 7 skill crews in my KV1 and abuse that advantage. Not that i do... I personally went right into tier 8 on a Lowe and learned the game that way and attracted much hate. But thats a long long long time ago. But it still happens and is still a problem.

I feel your pain, I expect you will quit most do because Wargaming refuse to accept this factual reality and improve thier game. And they have been told this over and over.

Battles based on the players' skill already implemented in Ranked Battles mode - did you have a chance to play?
Also, according to "You are playing against people with 7000PR and 60,000 battles and you have 800." - do you realize that it would have harmful effect on the balancer in case it will create battle rooms also based on the PR and battles amount taking into account that it is working in terms of tanks levels and its types? In order to get a chance to get into a battle player will spend more time than now in queue and is it what we want to do in game? IMHO - no

The queue times are fast, Much faster than other games. It is not an issue the issue is new players versus veterans if it makes queues longer good as they are too fast anyways.

Also ranked battles, They are seasonal so whats your solution? People want to log in and play the game any day any month and have a FAIR GAME. Everytime i go to ranked battles it always says a day when starting. So i have yet to play a ranked battle because like everything in world of tanks it is badly implemented and overly confusing.

Run ranked battles all the time or implment skill based normal matchmaker. I mean for god sake i know people with 10,000+ games and they have yet to play ranked battles becaude they dont know when or how! Imagine this statistic in any other AAA game. It blows the mind how imcompetent they are!

[willderyes]

This is a very impressive read. As a relative new person and one who has magic dexterity it's good to hear from experienced plays and that they know exactly what many of us noobs are experiencing. I would say THANKS to your advice and encouragement.

[forester]

the game is basically RNG machine - you can either play against very bad players or also against very good, sometimes in the middle. some like it, some dont. frankly the thing is - the better you play the less RNG have effect on you. and the better player you are the higher your win rate will be, but everyone have loss/win strikes. RNG favors good players because they are rare and thefore play against each other rarely.

potentially matchmaking could be beneficial for new players but it makes games much less random and therefore repetetive. i.e. if you played ranked on higher levels you know what will happen and when because everyone is following meta as hard as they can. in random you get all the players which have strange ideas and that creates some unique situations you will never see with matchmaker. so having complete RNG setups have it benefits - it increases chances of new situations and favors old/good players (as they mosly play against non-skilled opponents hehe).

personally after playing games like starcraft2 which had "fair and balanced" matchmaking I am not really a fun of them because realistically if the balancer is good - you are always playing against same skill players which is both boring and gets old fast. i.e. you always need to play without mistakes to progress and it starts to feel like a chore. in WoT you just need to accept that you cannot win all, and instead you just try to affect games, and then you climb in RNG hell up hehe.

[Happy Larry]

Its like you never played any "ranked" games before... All competetive games are the same .
Either you get a team and work together to reach higher levels ( in wot , you can go ranked tournaments with your clan ) or you play solo and forget about the imaginery matchmaking which forces you to lose 5 match , later on win 5 match. You will never ever get to play and win all your games by solo queue since there are 14 other ( bots/noobs/gameruiners) player.
Playing wot since 2011 , never cared about public matchmaking since there is none.
Deal with it.