Premium Vehicle: E 25 Tank Destroyer

[LameGoblin]

I just saw on youtube how immensely overpowered the E 25 tank destroyer is. If it appears in the games I play, I will leave. That is an absurd advantage for the Visa-kids vs the players who grind. That has nothing to do with skill.

[Ghostiq]

Originally posted by LameGoblin:

I just saw on youtube how immensely overpowered the E 25 tank destroyer is. If it appears in the games I play, I will leave. That is an absurd advantage for the Visa-kids vs the players who grind. That has nothing to do with skill.

It still has to do with skill. Inexperienced player on E25 will not do any more damage than any other tier 7 tank. Videos you see on youtube most likely present top level gameplay of people who have good average damage and know all the different aspects of the game. Besides, E25 is no longer being sold in the game in any form, making it impossible to get today.

[Dain_Ironfoot]

Originally posted by LameGoblin:

I just saw on youtube how immensely overpowered the E 25 tank destroyer is. If it appears in the games I play, I will leave. That is an absurd advantage for the Visa-kids vs the players who grind. That has nothing to do with skill.

It can be strong in the right hands like many tanks, but also has no armor and can be smashed easily. It's not so bad that you need to leave a match and screw the rest of your team. Doing that is worse than someone playing an e25. Don't be selfish, work with your team to help them as much as possible.

[telamiina]

Originally posted by LameGoblin:

I just saw on youtube how immensely overpowered the E 25 tank destroyer is. If it appears in the games I play, I will leave. That is an absurd advantage for the Visa-kids vs the players who grind. That has nothing to do with skill.

Quite lame loser attitude you have?

It is made of paper and it does not have to good penetration.

[Morgul]

Rarely any good players play e25, never felt they are op, they die fast.

[Chad of Nazareth]

As an E25 Owner. Yes, it has beast camo rating, fast and accurate gun with nice pen on correct tier.

I usually don't play it, because I'm ♥♥♥♥ with spot mechanics of the game. T95 is way more my style.

If you can't move out of LOS when E25 starts shooting at you, then you deserve to get killed by 15 shells that game tells you which direction they come from.

Also, look up any youtube video on premium (or regular tank) where pro-player has really good game and you can make "X tank is OP" topic.

[Ghostiq]

Originally posted by fll.fi Pornojeesus:

As an E25 Owner. Yes, it has beast camo rating, fast and accurate gun with nice pen on correct tier.

I usually don't play it, because I'm ♥♥♥♥ with spot mechanics of the game. T95 is way more my style.

If you can't move out of LOS when E25 starts shooting at you, then you deserve to get killed by 15 shells that game tells you which direction they come from.

Also, look up any youtube video on premium (or regular tank) where pro-player has really good game and you can make "X tank is OP" topic.

Totally agree. A tank is really OP if a regular player (take 50% winrate for example) can show outstanding results (way above 50% winrate, like 55% or 60%).

[Ghostiq]

Originally posted by Rodders:

Originally posted by LameGoblin:

I just saw on youtube how immensely overpowered the E 25 tank destroyer is. If it appears in the games I play, I will leave. That is an absurd advantage for the Visa-kids vs the players who grind. That has nothing to do with skill.

I played since the beta if you can not handle that then this is not the game for you. You do not realize the advantage premium ammo has over new players. People fire it exclusively and pay for that via visa card. And then there is the absurd overpowered vehicles they sell or reward like E25 or 279e. Combine knowledge, These tanks and a visa card and all these events are there only to sucker you in to be the prey for these players.

This is the truth of the game. New players are wanted and the game is free so veterans can kill you as there is no seperation of skill in the matchmaker. You exist only to amuse them for the brief moments you survive until they kill you. Wargaming are happy because the veterans use visacard. And if you spend even £5 before leaving WG have got someone to fill the matchmaker and £5 to boot!

Good deal? No anti humanist and anti consumer. And they also sold me a Warhammer tank. Which they later nerfed. And it came with a crew which they are planning to remove with crew 2.0. Because the pre trained skills will not count. So they stole ma tank, And they stole ma creeeeeeeew.


Say it with me, They took his crew! Teek er crewww!

Crew 2.0 was a system that was in a WIP (work in progress) stage. They have collected enough feedback from players in order to rework the system, as most of the feedback was negative. They also mentioned that they will take pre-trained skills into consideration when designing new system for the crews.

[Ghostiq]

Originally posted by Rodders:

Originally posted by mozg:

Crew 2.0 was a system that was in a WIP (work in progress) stage. They have collected enough feedback from players in order to rework the system, as most of the feedback was negative. They also mentioned that they will take pre-trained skills into consideration when designing new system for the crews.

Oh so they backtracked? The reason i did not know this is because i wuit alongside my friends about 7 months ago. After the KV2 and HE nerf we decided we were not going to take it anymore. They did not mention this clearly they tried to remove the crew but now you say they backtracked.


I am pleased they will now take into account pretrained skills. But the factual reality is they tried to steal them. This is no different than a thief putting his hand in your window and when caught decided to pat you on the head instead.


This company is one of the worst in existance. They do not treat you like a human being they treat you like an object to be lied to and manipulated. This time 7 months ago they were set on taking away whati paid £27 for which was the KV2 and Crew with brothers in arms at 100%.

I wouldn't say you are 100% wrong, but you aren't 100% right either. The new crew was tested in a Sandbox, consider it a very rough draft. They might've just forgotten about those skills, and the community reaction was clearly negative with zero-perk and many other aspects of crew 2.0. To make it more clear, the Sandbox is a lot different to Test server, even tho they might look alike. Test servers allow players to see the incoming changes to the game: new tanks, reworked tanks, different ammo, etc. The things on the Test server will be added to the game one way or another, with some slight changes (idk, like decrease armour of some tank by 10mm.), but the tank will be added. Sandbox server is more like "Hey gamers, we made something significant that will change the gameplay completely, if you would like to test it and give feedback, we can change a lot of things, or if the feedback is completely negative we will take a step back and reconsider our choices". Mentioned by you "nerf of KV-2 (R)" was a nerf of HE shells together with reworking arty shells, and it was first added to Sandbox as well, and, after receiving all sorts of feedback and reworking it further to the final shape, was added to the main client. Again, if most of the community is happy with the change. An example of something that was discarded at a Sandbox stage can be reworked "gold" ammo. I am not 100% sure if it made it to the Test server, but they basically reduced damage of "gold" shells to compensate for increased penetration. As the community didn't like it very much, they decided to not implement the idea.

Besides that, I wouldn't say that HE tanks lost a lot in value after HE was reworked. I can see some difference, but, for example, MoE (marks of excellence) on KV-2 (R) are still higher than of KV-2 regular, given the regular one can use the non-HE gun, which has a significantly higher DPM.

[Rod]

Originally posted by mozg:

Originally posted by Rodders:

Oh so they backtracked? The reason i did not know this is because i wuit alongside my friends about 7 months ago. After the KV2 and HE nerf we decided we were not going to take it anymore. They did not mention this clearly they tried to remove the crew but now you say they backtracked.


I am pleased they will now take into account pretrained skills. But the factual reality is they tried to steal them. This is no different than a thief putting his hand in your window and when caught decided to pat you on the head instead.


This company is one of the worst in existance. They do not treat you like a human being they treat you like an object to be lied to and manipulated. This time 7 months ago they were set on taking away whati paid £27 for which was the KV2 and Crew with brothers in arms at 100%.

I wouldn't say you are 100% wrong, but you aren't 100% right either. The new crew was tested in a Sandbox, consider it a very rough draft. They might've just forgotten about those skills, and the community reaction was clearly negative with zero-perk and many other aspects of crew 2.0. To make it more clear, the Sandbox is a lot different to Test server, even tho they might look alike. Test servers allow players to see the incoming changes to the game: new tanks, reworked tanks, different ammo, etc. The things on the Test server will be added to the game one way or another, with some slight changes (idk, like decrease armour of some tank by 10mm.), but the tank will be added. Sandbox server is more like "Hey gamers, we made something significant that will change the gameplay completely, if you would like to test it and give feedback, we can change a lot of things, or if the feedback is completely negative we will take a step back and reconsider our choices". Mentioned by you "nerf of KV-2 (R)" was a nerf of HE shells together with reworking arty shells, and it was first added to Sandbox as well, and, after receiving all sorts of feedback and reworking it further to the final shape, was added to the main client. Again, if most of the community is happy with the change. An example of something that was discarded at a Sandbox stage can be reworked "gold" ammo. I am not 100% sure if it made it to the Test server, but they basically reduced damage of "gold" shells to compensate for increased penetration. As the community didn't like it very much, they decided to not implement the idea.

Besides that, I wouldn't say that HE tanks lost a lot in value after HE was reworked. I can see some difference, but, for example, MoE (marks of excellence) on KV-2 (R) are still higher than of KV-2 regular, given the regular one can use the non-HE gun, which has a significantly higher DPM.

Well there is a difference in the KV2 at the time of sale and since the beta the tank has pretty much existed like the pre nerf HE state. The game was successful enough. So why did they arrogantly think 10-11yrs later they know better?

Maybe i could say the same of gold? Maybe maybe but it is broken. The community rightfully rejected the gold rework because it solves nothing. The issue around gold is the penetration and when it can frontal penetrate Maus. Lowering damage only delays an inevitable death and does not fix anything. What people wanted was the damage stopped outright because it was a no skill method of penetrating nearly all armor.

And hardly anyone % wise uses sandbox. I never downloaded sandbox test server. It is too much hassle i just wanted to play regular WOT. Even there they make it difficult to send feedback. You got to login the webpage and wade through support pages in order to send feedback. If they are so confident in thier changes why not have a popup ingame survey everyone can answer? I think Wargaming are manipulating the answer.

[GainTech]

Almost every tank can be an OP if the right player is behind it.
E25 is still a minor problem.
Tanks like the bourrasque or Progetto 46 have incredible skill levels.
Means plays this tank a top player you lost 99%.
If this tank is driven by an unexperienced player.
It won't end well

[Jackie Daytona]

This topic got a little off-track but...

Originally posted by mozg:

Originally posted by LameGoblin:

I just saw on youtube how immensely overpowered the E 25 tank destroyer is. If it appears in the games I play, I will leave. That is an absurd advantage for the Visa-kids vs the players who grind. That has nothing to do with skill.

It still has to do with skill. Inexperienced player on E25 will not do any more damage than any other tier 7 tank. Videos you see on youtube most likely present top level gameplay of people who have good average damage and know all the different aspects of the game. Besides, E25 is no longer being sold in the game in any form, making it impossible to get today.

That's all true. However, the E25 is still over-powered.

No vehicle should be good at everything, but the E25 is. It has: the speed of a light, the accuracy of medium, the armor of a heavy, the range of a SPG, and the penetration of a TD. It's way too good.

Everytime I see E25 on the opposing side, I groan. Why? Because it's usually the one that kills me.

E25's consistently see me before I see them. Even without a spotter working for them. It doesn't help that they typically have an open-top vehicle sitting nearby. Even when firing, they remain invisible to me.

As a light, there's nothing I can do. I can't do any spotting. They kill me with two quick shots. Because I can't see them at all. Even with maxed-out vision upgrades. (Which I can't even reach most of the time. Seeing as I can't afford directives.)

Mediums don't have enough armor to repel their shots. Any situation in which you have to approach an E25 means certain death.

Heavies would seem to be good. Except that the E25 is highly accurate. So, it has no problem hitting your weakpoints with every shot. And since it's invisible, you can't even fire back.

TD's deal massive damage to it. Too bad they have no chance to spot it, and are too slow to chase. It's similar with SPG's. The E25 is never spotted. So, no one ever fires at it. On the rare chace it is spotted, it just runs away. And is then too fast to hit.

[😸Neko]

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

the armor of a heavy

Oh wow, you should do stand-up comedy!

Fear has big eyes, but there should be a limit how far you'd go demonizing vehicles you don't have (and envy too much because of that). The armor is thin, the only things offsetting that are that it's sloped and overall small profile, no one would call the armor itself good.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:G48_E-25 see respective parts.

What many forget to also mention here: ammunition is pretty scarce, especially taking into consideration low damage per shell. Even with all upsides you can't expect to mow down the enemy team.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally posted by Purrfürst:

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

the armor of a heavy

Oh wow, you should do stand-up comedy!

Fear has big eyes, but there should be a limit how far you'd go demonizing vehicles you don't have (and envy too much because of that). The armor is thin, the only things offsetting that are that it's sloped and overall small profile, no one would call the armor itself good.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:G48_E-25 see respective parts.

What many forget to also mention here: ammunition is pretty scarce, especially taking into consideration low damage per shell. Even with all upsides you can't expect to mow down the enemy team.

It's incredibly difficult to pen armor of a vehicle shaped like a wedge. Everything bounces. Having low armor value is meaningless. Because no one can hit it dead-on. So it's armor is effectively higher than the stat would otherwise indicate.

Plus, you can't see it. So, you can't aim at it's weakpoints. It also has a low profile. Making it hard to guess where it is. Your shot might even fly wide when you are aimed right at it!

Can't mow down the enemy team? I have NEVER seen an E25 be lowest xp/damage. Not once. Typically, they are one of the last living. Walking away with huge damage, and more kills than their teammates.

This TD does not have low damage. It's rapid firing means it's dealing a ton of damage. It's APCR having almost 200 mm pen tears through everything. Literally blows holes in the biggest armor.

But sure buddy. That's totally not OP, and I'm just an envious hater.

[RedCor]

e25 - bushrat machinegun with almost no penetration.

[Chad of Nazareth]

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

It's incredibly difficult to pen armor of a vehicle shaped like a wedge. Everything bounces. Having low armor value is meaningless. Because no one can hit it dead-on. So it's armor is effectively higher than the stat would otherwise indicate.

Plus, you can't see it. So, you can't aim at it's weakpoints. It also has a low profile. Making it hard to guess where it is. Your shot might even fly wide when you are aimed right at it!

This TD does not have low damage. It's rapid firing means it's dealing a ton of damage. It's APCR having almost 200 mm pen tears through everything. Literally blows holes in the biggest armor.

But sure buddy. That's totally not OP, and I'm just an envious hater.

Oh yes. The Hyper-armor on E25 is so good, that Light tank caliber guns have to flank / rear end to penetrate with HE rounds. Best armor you can get hull-down is OP 80mm front. Now even light tank has to use regular AP to penetrate!

200mm pen on premium rounds? 7 out of 10 Tier 7 TD's have better AP pen than E25 has with Premium ammo. ♥♥♥♥. Every Tier 6 TD premium ammo has higher pen and some of them have even better Ap than E25

E25 has beast DPM, let's not deny that. But with 135 damage per round. Let's Take O-ni. Real tech-tree tank you are most likely going to face in battles.

Can't pierce frontal armor with Ap and with APCR, there are two weak spots on the two small front turrets.

You'd have to hit and roll 135 dmg shots 12 times to kill Oni.

12 shots with E25 is 34.56 seconds of non-stop fire, with every hit penetrating and rolling at least 135 damage.

Are you seriously telling us, that premium tank, that has to shoot a moving target for 34 seconds to kill it. Not 34 second of 1 vs 1. A 34 seconds of constant barrage of shells, has OP damage?

E25 has great camo. So now E25 player has to sit behind a bush and shoot and hit 10 times at tanks, that never try to get behind a cover after being shot at.

Oh, wait. You do sound like envious hater.