Gold Ammo and Matchmaking

[DJ_badass]

Have to say this game useless unless your use gold, matchmaking is still ♥♥♥♥, 14 games today all end 15-1 / 15-0 / 15-03, this is not fun, in T26E4 I went from 78% win rate to 33% in two hours, this game is not free to play, but free to lose, or pay money and win, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game

[SlyMeerkat]

Complaining about Premium Ammo in 2021 :D

[Emperor Cheesius Secundus]

Messaggio originale di SlyMeerkat:

Complaining about Premium Ammo in 2021 :D

Defending gold ammo in 2021 XD

[SlyMeerkat]

Messaggio originale di Emperor Cheesius Secundus:

Messaggio originale di SlyMeerkat:

Complaining about Premium Ammo in 2021 :D

Defending gold ammo in 2021 XD

Haha very clever ;)

Im not defending it nor complaining about it..... It is in the game for anyone to use so why wont you use it and ofc if like me, use it only if and when, same like HE and its all situational.

[Emperor Cheesius Secundus]

Messaggio originale di SlyMeerkat:

Messaggio originale di Emperor Cheesius Secundus:

Defending gold ammo in 2021 XD

Haha very clever ;)

Im not defending it nor complaining about it..... It is in the game for anyone to use so why wont you use it and ofc if like me, use it only if and when, same like HE and its all situational.

yeah the issue is that the situations where it's more useful is basically any situation that normal AP can be used. And if you don't care about money all too often (the whales in their 100+$ premium tanks being of that group) then that's practically every situation. So for the average FTP player, you can barely afford to use any of it as even a handful of shells negates all your profits while a whale with their premium accounts + premium tanks can go into battle with half their load-out being gold. Ammo which often negates the armor of most tanks.

[SlyMeerkat]

Messaggio originale di Emperor Cheesius Secundus:

Messaggio originale di SlyMeerkat:

Haha very clever ;)

Im not defending it nor complaining about it..... It is in the game for anyone to use so why wont you use it and ofc if like me, use it only if and when, same like HE and its all situational.

yeah the issue is that the situations where it's more useful is basically any situation that normal AP can be used. And if you don't care about money all too often (the whales in their 100+$ premium tanks being of that group) then that's practically every situation. So for the average FTP player, you can barely afford to use any of it as even a handful of shells negates all your profits while a whale with their premium accounts + premium tanks can go into battle with half their load-out being gold. Ammo which often negates the armor of most tanks.

Well ive always been a paying member (Premium Account) and with it now on Steam, im trying my hand at what its like being F2P and yes its way more harder for sure but not impossible, just takes longer to do things but depending on the skill one has can vary that amount.

Call me naive but for a F2P game, it needs its money somehow and that dont grow on trees..... One Month of Premium Time is dirt cheap, way much cheaper than say Drugs, Alcohol, Cigarettes or even a Big Mac at MacDonalds even but i digress.

I have been playing this game for about 7yrs now and with the amount of Events that WG put up, there is plenty of free things to gain or work towards such as Premium Tanks, so with all that and people still have issues with it?

I dont know, maybe im coming at this with some Bias as well but im sure you get the general idea of what im saying and mean if you have too been playing this game for a fair while like i have.

If its not Premium Ammo people complain about its HE Rounds, XVM, Arty, EBRs, MM and so its all one big mess and a confusing one at that, this much i do know :D

[Emperor Cheesius Secundus]

Messaggio originale di SlyMeerkat:

Messaggio originale di Emperor Cheesius Secundus:

yeah the issue is that the situations where it's more useful is basically any situation that normal AP can be used. And if you don't care about money all too often (the whales in their 100+$ premium tanks being of that group) then that's practically every situation. So for the average FTP player, you can barely afford to use any of it as even a handful of shells negates all your profits while a whale with their premium accounts + premium tanks can go into battle with half their load-out being gold. Ammo which often negates the armor of most tanks.

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I can see where you're coming from. It does take longer and you can progress. I'm not saying it's pay-to-win. But it is MUCH easier to win (and thus regularly make a profit) if you pay money to speed the grind. In terms of money making, something as consumable and game affecting as premium ammo is just straight greed as they can alter the game to make it more appetizing to make you use it, such as releasing tanks with crappy guns but insane armor (Chrysler) so you are obligated to use premium ammo. As for those events, I've only seen one that was reasonable. The m10 RBFM from the D-Day event. That was fairly easy (thus why I have it) but of the half-dozen others they have all been a slog unless you ONLY play WOT and play it all the time. The grind was atrocious and if you didn't grind all 10 tiers of the event all you got was one-off consumables and a discount on the tank. If I recall correctly the bourasque was 120$ in it's bundle. That's disgusting.

[Blegh]

Messaggio originale di SlyMeerkat:

Call me naive but for a F2P game, it needs its money somehow and that dont grow on trees.....

That's what F2P and premium tanks are for (not OP premium tanks, just premium tanks) and the battle pass is another money making feature. Same for gold. But making a downright p2w feature, even if it is p2w is unfair

[DJ_badass]

I was playing in vk 100.01 p tier 8 tank today, came up against churchill vii tier 6 tank head on, I fired 6 shots 2 hit and done damage, but 4 shots bounced, he hit me 8 times all hit and done damage, killed with full health by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ churchill vii tier 6 tank, I asked players on my team in 10 games today, all said they use premium ammo, i have come to the conclusion that if you don't shoot premium ammo you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, on that note I have asked WOT to delete my account for second time, this game is totally unplayable without using premium ammo, I hope Stream drop this crap game from it's platform, I'll think twice about buying any more games from Stream. they say it;s a free game, total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I would have thought better of Stream.

[Ganger]

Messaggio originale di DJ_badass:

I was playing in vk 100.01 p tier 8 tank today, came up against churchill vii tier 6 tank head on, I fired 6 shots 2 hit and done damage, but 4 shots bounced, he hit me 8 times all hit and done damage, killed with full health by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ churchill vii tier 6 tank, I asked players on my team in 10 games today, all said they use premium ammo, i have come to the conclusion that if you don't shoot premium ammo you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, on that note I have asked WOT to delete my account for second time, this game is totally unplayable without using premium ammo, I hope Stream drop this crap game from it's platform, I'll think twice about buying any more games from Stream. they say it;s a free game, total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I would have thought better of Stream.

That player would of know the weak spots of your tank and im not defending wargaming here but the game is fully playable without premium ammo as long as you know the strengths and weaknesses of the tanks your playing and fighting against and what role you play in any given battle.

Wargaming know my bug bear with the +2 tier matchmaker but as it stands, you got too adjust your gameplay when your bottom tier. If you watch some of the youtubers, they show you how to play bottom tiers right.

But in all seriousness m8, just quit for the game if your not happy with it. No point in threatening valve about not buying games off steam, valve doesn't give a crap because valve like wargaming knows you be back spending and playing soon enough.

[DJ_badass]

I have sent email to wargaming to cancel WOT account, I thought game would have been a bit different on Stream, but how wrong I was, tier 6 tank wiping the floor with super heavy tier 8 tank is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, premium ammo has ruined this game..

[Emperor Cheesius Secundus]

Messaggio originale di DJ_badass:

I have sent email to wargaming to cancel WOT account, I thought game would have been a bit different on Stream, but how wrong I was, tier 6 tank wiping the floor with super heavy tier 8 tank is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, premium ammo has ruined this game..

Ok, I have a serious bone to pick with gold ammo but there's 3 things wrong with this.
1: this is one of the few times gold ammo is justified, when you are bottom tier. Because the MM is literally designed to make you hate yourself (especially t6 MM), and he is in a BRITISH heavy, he probably needed any advantage he could get. Not his fault the game literally made him use GA to do anything.

2: that tank has 200mm of armor. If he can pen you with his pea shooter, even with gold, that's probably your fault. Angle, don't show your lower front plate, and hide your cupola (or just your entire tank) while reloading.

3: you were literally blaming the middle man. You were blaming steam for what War Gaming did.

[AguilaDeAcero]

While what Dwigt saids it's right, you need to make some strong adjustments on the way credits are earned, both in premium and non premium accounts. You need to do a lot of numbers and take precautions just to get the minimum new types of ammo, consumables and equipment.
Yes, it's do able but it's not that fun at all. It's for this exact reason that at the current state of the game it's more fun to play WoT Blitz. Just do it, and you will see a lot of people happy around here.

And about the Gold Ammo. Just remove it already. Yes, you can fight them, yes, you can defeat them but there's no point on having that in there, except to cash in more money for people who want and easier time in battles. Just focus on new content if you want players support.

[Blegh]

Messaggio originale di Emperor Cheesius Secundus:

Messaggio originale di DJ_badass:

I have sent email to wargaming to cancel WOT account, I thought game would have been a bit different on Stream, but how wrong I was, tier 6 tank wiping the floor with super heavy tier 8 tank is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, premium ammo has ruined this game..

Ok, I have a serious bone to pick with gold ammo but there's 3 things wrong with this.
1: this is one of the few times gold ammo is justified, when you are bottom tier. Because the MM is literally designed to make you hate yourself (especially t6 MM), and he is in a BRITISH heavy, he probably needed any advantage he could get. Not his fault the game literally made him use GA to do anything.

2: that tank has 200mm of armor. If he can pen you with his pea shooter, even with gold, that's probably your fault. Angle, don't show your lower front plate, and hide your cupola (or just your entire tank) while reloading.

3: you were literally blaming the middle man. You were blaming steam for what War Gaming did.

Not to mention he managed to bounce 4 of his shots somehow when he is two tiers higher

[Slyspy]

Messaggio originale di DJ_badass:

I was playing in vk 100.01 p tier 8 tank today, came up against churchill vii tier 6 tank head on, I fired 6 shots 2 hit and done damage, but 4 shots bounced, he hit me 8 times all hit and done damage, killed with full health by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ churchill vii tier 6 tank, I asked players on my team in 10 games today, all said they use premium ammo, i have come to the conclusion that if you don't shoot premium ammo you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, on that note I have asked WOT to delete my account for second time, this game is totally unplayable without using premium ammo, I hope Stream drop this crap game from it's platform, I'll think twice about buying any more games from Stream. they say it;s a free game, total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I would have thought better of Stream.

This is a a you problem, not a game problem. The tier six Churchill is such an underdog in this situation that you would have had to deliberately try to lose that fight.

It is nearly impossible for the Churchill VII to bounce your shots so all you needed to do was hit it somewhere on the hull or turret with AP. You would not have needed premium ammo, or even the top gun, you just needed to hit the target. If you have the top gun on the VK then it would take two to five hits to destroy a full health Churchill VII, depending on equipment and RNG.

Meanwhile, assuming a frontal engagement, it is utterly impossible for the Churchill to penetrate your armour with his standard ammo. Even with premium his best chance would be shooting at the small lower front plate which would give him a roughly 50/50 chance. It would take the Churchill between ten and seventeen penetrations to destroy a full health VK100.01P.

The disparity of power is huge and totally in your favour. If I were you I'd seek out some game mechanics and playing guides online, starting with the official WG ones, to help you learn the game.

[DJ_badass]

I couldn't be bothered, my WOT account will be deleted in less then 40 days, good riddance to this game, I don't shoot premium ammo, so no hope in game, I will spend my money else were,