You Want Proof That World of Tanks Is Pay To Win?

[Omega Sirius]

World of Tanks has premium ammo that has much better performance than regular ammo.
This is the literal definition of pay-to-win. This is not a debate.

So players investing money into the game may possibly have an advantage over you.
I've played this game for 9 years, and came on and off to check up on it every now and then. They still have this premium ammo mechanic and it most likely will never go away.

Conclusion: Don't waste your time with this game, War Thunder is better alternative than this.

[Nibori]

Okay, you are wrong and you have no freaking idea about this game. Accept the fact that this game is not pay to win and stop listening to all those haters that have even less idea about this game.

[snekkie [CHEESE]]

The game is not paytowin in the normal sense, paying just makes it a lot easier to get through stock tanks and to well equip vehicles, but with skill alone you can still dominate in none premium vehicles and even bad crew not well equiped vehicles. paying gives and advantage but its not entirely pay to win. you still need skill otherwise if you go buy a prog you wasted your money on it

[Macdallan]

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

I am not sure if i am just old, but this is not what we called "pay to win". Pay to win would be another gun for your tank that would be much better than the top gun and you would have to pay real money in order to get it. This would the the definition of pay to win.
Everyone can buy gold ammo, everyone with a tier 10 tank and enough bonds can get some premium tanks. A premium account does not make your tank stronger in a battle... so it's also not pay to win.
So all of this is just pay to progress faster

Your logic is flawed as is your narrow view of pay to win. Your opinion is not based on fact. WoT is pay to win. I can explain (probably poorly) why it is.

Buying a better gun for a tech tree tank with real money, a gun that is superior to any tech tree gun for the same tank or tier of tank is exactly the same as buying a premium tank that has a better gun, performance, speed, and/or armour than anything you can unlock in the tech tree. You are a wallet warrior when you do this. You are shelling out money for a significant in game advantage and that is absolutely pay to win.

A lot of premium tanks outperform all other tech tree tanks of the same tier, or have significant advantages with little to no disadvantage. How can you possibly say that is not pay to win?

Buying gold ammo with real money is basically the same as buying a better gun for the tank. You're vastly improving the stats of the weapon, the performance of the weapon, by paying cash. That is pay to win.

You claim that everyone can buy gold ammo but that is simply not true. Most gold ammo costs a ridiculous amount of credits per shot. It's usually so expensive that a brand new player cannot afford to buy gold ammo with credits. Many players who go into matches and fire only premium ammo while running a premium account, and driving a premium tank will still lose credits even if they win a match and get multiple kills. Why? Gold ammo prices are set so you will usually lose credits and so you will have no choice but to buy more with real money. Any player that doesn't have enough credits cannot buy gold ammo but any player who pays money can always buy gold ammo, other players have to grind and save credits. That is pay to win.

Any player who isn't a premium player and who doesn't spend money for gold or credits has a massive grind past tier 5 or 6 in order to save up enough credits to afford new tanks, new components, and better consumables. A player who pays real money for gold or credits *CAN* buy gold ammo and better consumables constantly, and can just pay money for credits and buy higher tier tanks whenever they want. Gold ammo and premium consumables provides a significant advantage in battle. Spending real money equals faster progression and quicker unlocks/purchcases and that equals better tanks, crew, and in game performance and that's pay to win.

Premium accounts do not make your tank stronger? Yes, it will, although I have to agree that the act of buying the premium account does not INSTANTLY make your tank better. Why do I say that?

Once you have you have paid money to progress faster than anyone who hasn't purchased a premium account your crew and tank will improve at a much higher rate. You will earn more credits and xp than anyone playing for free if they have similar combat results to yours in the same tank. With that increased xp and credit earning power they can quickly buy better consumables, improve crew faster, afford better ammo with credits instead of cash, unlock and buy better components faster. Over a fairly short amount of time this gives a significant advantage in battle. That is pay to win.

Higher crew skills provide huge bonuses, try a 50% crew versus a 100% crew that has 3 or 4 skills unlocked and you will see that it makes a huge difference, and I can't buy a 100% crew without gold, real money. You run a 50% crew in battle and you'll die to tanks that you can't even see because of the difference in crew skills. Pay. To. Win. Period.

[Macdallan]

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

Okay, you are wrong and you have no freaking idea about this game. Accept the fact that this game is not pay to win and stop listening to all those haters that have even less idea about this game.

No, Tiberius is right. Your opinion is only an opinion, and you're welcome to it, but it's a fact that WoT is a pay to win game. Just because you don't understand why, or your narrow view of pay to win doesn't include all the pay to win aspects of Wot, that does not mean that it is not a pay to win game. It absolutely is, and if you open your narrow view up just a bit I think you'd see why.

[Jackie Daytona]

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

I am not sure if i am just old, but this is not what we called "pay to win". Pay to win would be another gun for your tank that would be much better than the top gun and you would have to pay real money in order to get it. This would the the definition of pay to win.
Everyone can buy gold ammo, everyone with a tier 10 tank and enough bonds can get some premium tanks. A premium account does not make your tank stronger in a battle... so it's also not pay to win.
So all of this is just pay to progress faster

Your logic is flawed as is your narrow view of pay to win. Your opinion is not based on fact. WoT is pay to win. I can explain (probably poorly) why it is.

Nobody needs you to explain again. People aren't failing to see your point. They simply don't agree. Repeating yourself won't change anything.

Flawed logic, you say? He defines pay-to-win differently from you. Based on his definition, his logic is accurate.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Buying a better gun for a tech tree tank with real money, a gun that is superior to any tech tree gun for the same tank or tier of tank is exactly the same as buying a premium tank that has a better gun, performance, speed, and/or armour than anything you can unlock in the tech tree. You are a wallet warrior when you do this. You are shelling out money for a significant in game advantage and that is absolutely pay to win.

Which premium tank is better than everything in it's tier?

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

A lot of premium tanks outperform all other tech tree tanks of the same tier, or have significant advantages with little to no disadvantage. How can you possibly say that is not pay to win?

How is it everyone that thinks the game is pay-to-win fails to cite specific examples?

A lot of premium tanks don't outperform tech tree tanks of the same tier. Churchill III and Valentine II, just off the top of my head.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Buying gold ammo with real money is basically the same as buying a better gun for the tank. You're vastly improving the stats of the weapon, the performance of the weapon, by paying cash. That is pay to win.

Except that you don't need to spend money. You can buy the exact same ammo with credits earned in-game, for free.

This is like arguing that buying card packs in Hearthstone is pay-to-win. Yet the reality is that skilled players do just fine playing completely for free. Even against whales.

Blowing a ton of money on prammo isn't going to make you a better player. It's only going to lead to disappointment and an empty wallet.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

You claim that everyone can buy gold ammo but that is simply not true. Most gold ammo costs a ridiculous amount of credits per shot. It's usually so expensive that a brand new player cannot afford to buy gold ammo with credits.

New players don't need it. Because they are tier I.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Many players who go into matches and fire only premium ammo while running a premium account, and driving a premium tank will still lose credits even if they win a match and get multiple kills. Why?

Because they are terrible at the game? No, really. I'm being serious.

I only lose money in that situation if my prammo shots are missing or bouncing. (Or I also lost) In which case, the problem isn't the system. It's me.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Gold ammo prices are set so you will usually lose credits and so you will have no choice but to buy more with real money.

No choice? You could also: fire less prammo, be more careful with your shots, learn weakpoints better, flank, grind credits with a tank you are better at playing, and more.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Any player that doesn't have enough credits cannot buy gold ammo but any player who pays money can always buy gold ammo, other players have to grind and save credits. That is pay to win.

That's pay to avoid the grind.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Any player who isn't a premium player and who doesn't spend money for gold or credits has a massive grind past tier 5 or 6 in order to save up enough credits to afford new tanks, new components, and better consumables.

It's a massive grind for everyone.

People with high-tier tanks can earn huge amounts of credits. I can play a few matches in some tier V's & VI's. Then go to a low tier and play for hours off what I earned.

That isn't possible because I spent money. That's possible because I worked my way up.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Spending real money equals faster progression and quicker unlocks/purchcases and that equals better tanks, crew, and in game performance and that's pay to win.

I can spend free xp to bypass part of the grind. That's not pay to win. That's from having a high-tier tank that earns more xp per battle.

Almost everything you talk about can be gained for free.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Premium accounts do not make your tank stronger? Yes, it will,

It will not.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

although I have to agree that the act of buying the premium account does not INSTANTLY make your tank better. Why do I say that?

Cognitive dissonance?

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Once you have you have paid money to progress faster than anyone who hasn't purchased a premium account your crew and tank will improve at a much higher rate. You will earn more credits and xp than anyone playing for free if they have similar combat results to yours in the same tank.

True, but that isn't pay-to-win.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

With that increased xp and credit earning power they can quickly buy better consumables,

No.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

improve crew faster,

Yes.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

afford better ammo with credits instead of cash,

Not really.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

unlock and buy better components faster.

Same can be done with free xp.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Over a fairly short amount of time this gives a significant advantage in battle. That is pay to win.

It is not.

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Higher crew skills provide huge bonuses, try a 50% crew versus a 100% crew that has 3 or 4 skills unlocked and you will see that it makes a huge difference, and I can't buy a 100% crew without gold, real money. You run a 50% crew in battle and you'll die to tanks that you can't even see because of the difference in crew skills. Pay. To. Win. Period.

I've run tanks all the way from 50% to 100%. It's tough. I'd only do it again for an internet video or stream. That said, it's not impossible. In fact, I feel it made me a better player. Having a huge handicap is actually a lot of fun. (For me, anyway.)

Also, the game environment isn't a binary. It's not people that paid lots of money versus those that haven't paid anything. I got most of my crew skills grinding without premium.

When I started, I had to play against people that put in far more time than me. It felt very unfair, and it was. However, it makes you a better player.

Lastly, a personal note. What is your goal here? Is it to convince people not to play? You might do that. Does that make you happy? Is this really what you want to spend your time doing? Writing long messages about how a game is pay-to-win to fanbois that don't care what you say anyway. Don't let me stop you, but it seems like a waste of your time.

No one is forcing you to like the game, or to even play it. WG is not going to change. The game won't change. The players that spend money won't change. People that like the game might eventually dislike it. Will that happen because of one of your posts? Unlikely.

[Nibori]

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

I am not sure if i am just old, but this is not what we called "pay to win". Pay to win would be another gun for your tank that would be much better than the top gun and you would have to pay real money in order to get it. This would the the definition of pay to win.
Everyone can buy gold ammo, everyone with a tier 10 tank and enough bonds can get some premium tanks. A premium account does not make your tank stronger in a battle... so it's also not pay to win.
So all of this is just pay to progress faster

Your logic is flawed as is your narrow view of pay to win. Your opinion is not based on fact. WoT is pay to win. I can explain (probably poorly) why it is.

Buying a better gun for a tech tree tank with real money, a gun that is superior to any tech tree gun for the same tank or tier of tank is exactly the same as buying a premium tank that has a better gun, performance, speed, and/or armour than anything you can unlock in the tech tree. You are a wallet warrior when you do this. You are shelling out money for a significant in game advantage and that is absolutely pay to win.

A lot of premium tanks outperform all other tech tree tanks of the same tier, or have significant advantages with little to no disadvantage. How can you possibly say that is not pay to win?

Buying gold ammo with real money is basically the same as buying a better gun for the tank. You're vastly improving the stats of the weapon, the performance of the weapon, by paying cash. That is pay to win.

You claim that everyone can buy gold ammo but that is simply not true. Most gold ammo costs a ridiculous amount of credits per shot. It's usually so expensive that a brand new player cannot afford to buy gold ammo with credits. Many players who go into matches and fire only premium ammo while running a premium account, and driving a premium tank will still lose credits even if they win a match and get multiple kills. Why? Gold ammo prices are set so you will usually lose credits and so you will have no choice but to buy more with real money. Any player that doesn't have enough credits cannot buy gold ammo but any player who pays money can always buy gold ammo, other players have to grind and save credits. That is pay to win.

Any player who isn't a premium player and who doesn't spend money for gold or credits has a massive grind past tier 5 or 6 in order to save up enough credits to afford new tanks, new components, and better consumables. A player who pays real money for gold or credits *CAN* buy gold ammo and better consumables constantly, and can just pay money for credits and buy higher tier tanks whenever they want. Gold ammo and premium consumables provides a significant advantage in battle. Spending real money equals faster progression and quicker unlocks/purchcases and that equals better tanks, crew, and in game performance and that's pay to win.

Premium accounts do not make your tank stronger? Yes, it will, although I have to agree that the act of buying the premium account does not INSTANTLY make your tank better. Why do I say that?

Once you have you have paid money to progress faster than anyone who hasn't purchased a premium account your crew and tank will improve at a much higher rate. You will earn more credits and xp than anyone playing for free if they have similar combat results to yours in the same tank. With that increased xp and credit earning power they can quickly buy better consumables, improve crew faster, afford better ammo with credits instead of cash, unlock and buy better components faster. Over a fairly short amount of time this gives a significant advantage in battle. That is pay to win.

Higher crew skills provide huge bonuses, try a 50% crew versus a 100% crew that has 3 or 4 skills unlocked and you will see that it makes a huge difference, and I can't buy a 100% crew without gold, real money. You run a 50% crew in battle and you'll die to tanks that you can't even see because of the difference in crew skills. Pay. To. Win. Period.

All of this is pay to progress. Where is the pay to win part?

[CaptMuffinman]

Messaggio originale di Blue-Ice:

Both "Premium" ammo and regular ammo can be purchased with credits earned by playing the game. Paying will NOT grant you an advantage that f2p players can't get by playing the game.

WoT is a lot of things, but P2W isn't one of them, most you can say is that it is Pay-to-not-grind.

Let us help you figure this out in an easy to understand concept. People CAN PAY MONEY FOR ANY ADVANTAGE TOWARDS VICTORY is the very definition of PAY TO WIN.

Just because you can use in game credits doesn't mean an alternative to obtain that advantage magically disappears. People can still PAY MONEY FOR THOSE ROUNDS. Which is still a PAY TO WIN option.

Here is an example of not pay to win. It can ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH IN GAME CREDITS. If at any point in time money can be spent on an advantage, that is literally, PAY TO WIN.

[Nibori]

Messaggio originale di CaptMuffinman:

Messaggio originale di Blue-Ice:

Both "Premium" ammo and regular ammo can be purchased with credits earned by playing the game. Paying will NOT grant you an advantage that f2p players can't get by playing the game.

WoT is a lot of things, but P2W isn't one of them, most you can say is that it is Pay-to-not-grind.

Let us help you figure this out in an easy to understand concept. People CAN PAY MONEY FOR ANY ADVANTAGE TOWARDS VICTORY is the very definition of PAY TO WIN.

Just because you can use in game credits doesn't mean an alternative to obtain that advantage magically disappears. People can still PAY MONEY FOR THOSE ROUNDS. Which is still a PAY TO WIN option.

Here is an example of not pay to win. It can ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH IN GAME CREDITS. If at any point in time money can be spent on an advantage, that is literally, PAY TO WIN.

So let's try to break this up a bit.
I play this game without having the need to buy credits for real money, i can play the game, enjoy it and earn the credits by doing so.
You pay real money and get the stuff faster.
Looks like pay to progress and not pay to win.

And once again, premium shells cost credits that everybody can earn, there is no need to pay real money for it, therefore it's not pay to win.

[Tiberius Lacedaemon]

Just ignore this ignorant, closed minded individual that does not possess the brain capacity to process information.

It is as I've said. What people think/want is irrelevant to what actually IS.

It is about as stupid as saying 2+2 doesn't equal 4. Your feelings and opinions are irrelevant, they will never matter when it comes to facts. If you don't have the brain capacity to understand this, that's nobody's problem but your own. After all, look at the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happening nowadays. You can't have a normal, rational discussion with people that don't possess the ability to critically think. It is what it is.

Farewell, and remember, avoid this game at all costs.

[Nibori]

Messaggio originale di Tiberius Lacedaemon:

Farewell, and remember, avoid this game at all costs.

Avoid this persons opinion and reviews at all cost.

No seriously, your "facts" are not real facts... they are just your opinion. I also see that you are emotion driven and don't want to accept that there are people out there with a different opinion.
I don't agree with you, because the phrase "pay-to-win" has a different meaning to me, because i am a little bit older.

[Nibori]

Messaggio originale di 🅵🆁🅴🅳🅴🆁🅸🅺:

I got a feeling those in denial of this game being pay to win are pay to win players themselves and don't want to admit it because they are terrified Wargaming change it.

You got me, i am going to win a match with a premium account now, because it's pay to win.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Messaggio originale di avadream:

Just let me play against AI, with the settings i tweak and i return to the game instantly.

sa server tiers 1 to 5... and the ai uses warpack.. the banned cheat pack that wg bans lol

Messaggio originale di 🅵🆁🅴🅳🅴🆁🅸🅺:

I got a feeling those in denial of this game being pay to win are pay to win players themselves and don't want to admit it because they are terrified Wargaming change it.

Yep.. cause they are the elite that make money and feel privileged.. Example of a p2w tank.. Pz5/4 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571405111998414862/895418090186231839/unknown.png look at the wins and what this monster can earn... vs non premium players and tech tree tanks..

Messaggio originale di CaptMuffinman:

Messaggio originale di Blue-Ice:

Both "Premium" ammo and regular ammo can be purchased with credits earned by playing the game. Paying will NOT grant you an advantage that f2p players can't get by playing the game.

WoT is a lot of things, but P2W isn't one of them, most you can say is that it is Pay-to-not-grind.

Let us help you figure this out in an easy to understand concept. People CAN PAY MONEY FOR ANY ADVANTAGE TOWARDS VICTORY is the very definition of PAY TO WIN.

Just because you can use in game credits doesn't mean an alternative to obtain that advantage magically disappears. People can still PAY MONEY FOR THOSE ROUNDS. Which is still a PAY TO WIN option.

Here is an example of not pay to win. It can ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH IN GAME CREDITS. If at any point in time money can be spent on an advantage, that is literally, PAY TO WIN.

premium ammo costs an arm or a leg too.. if you shoot nothing but premium ammo.. you lose money.. 100k+ credits a game.. and heres the kicker if you use a premium account, boosters.. and other kinds of boosters..(p2w tanks) you can make money with that premium ammo and still win the game because you paid for the advantaged.. and if you dont use premium ammo you make more then you could dream of.. look at the image i shown.. 10 battles with all the advantages at tier 5 keep this in mind here.. you can make 1 million credits... the game is extremely p2w..
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571405111998414862/895079082461626388/unknown.png Links a great example on how much a tier 5 p2w tank without boosters can make you... If you use the p2w tank to its full power.. If i spammed gold i might have made even MORE credits.. Hilarious on how that works right?

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

All of this is pay to progress. Where is the pay to win part?

Right here! read above :)

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

Okay, you are wrong and you have no freaking idea about this game. Accept the fact that this game is not pay to win and stop listening to all those haters that have even less idea about this game.

No, Tiberius is right. Your opinion is only an opinion, and you're welcome to it, but it's a fact that WoT is a pay to win game. Just because you don't understand why, or your narrow view of pay to win doesn't include all the pay to win aspects of Wot, that does not mean that it is not a pay to win game. It absolutely is, and if you open your narrow view up just a bit I think you'd see why.

I put up all the facts this game is a p2w game XD heres another example of it being a p2w game!

https://youtu.be/O0NhNlSi-qw and whats this tank? its a super p2w tank lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcIzp6lfzU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0iETs9c9s And its a tech tree tank you can just skip the grind just by Buying gold and dumping it all into credits and look at that you got a wz1115a by just throwing money on the screen!

Then you go play clanwars to get the best tanks in the game just by lol You guessed it.. Paying money.. Games indeed p2w.. dez games even says it lol people converted gold to credits to get the t22m.. My friend has almost 100billion credits.. with just playing the 5/4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9nq5z42zQ another p2w mechanic~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1xKrLbcA7s more p2w stuff lol

Messaggio originale di Blue-Ice:

Both "Premium" ammo and regular ammo can be purchased with credits earned by playing the game. Paying will NOT grant you an advantage that f2p players can't get by playing the game.

WoT is a lot of things, but P2W isn't one of them, most you can say is that it is Pay-to-not-grind.

it is p2w i gave you all the proof you require~

lets see how many people ignore everything ive said here and keep saying its not p2w lmao

[Nibori]

- T-22 is not a premium tank, there are no tier 10 premium tanks, so it's not pay to win
- you can buy tier 10 collector tanks without grinding them when you have a tier 10 tank in that nation, i am not even sure how that is pay to win
-you need 3.000.000 credits to upgrade bounty equipment, bond equipment is better than this, i also don't see the pay to win factor here
-i have no idea why you think that loot boxes are pay to win.... but let's go on

[snekkie [CHEESE]]

Messaggio originale di Lord Ragnarok:

Messaggio originale di avadream:

Just let me play against AI, with the settings i tweak and i return to the game instantly.

sa server tiers 1 to 5... and the ai uses warpack.. the banned cheat pack that wg bans lol

Messaggio originale di 🅵🆁🅴🅳🅴🆁🅸🅺:

I got a feeling those in denial of this game being pay to win are pay to win players themselves and don't want to admit it because they are terrified Wargaming change it.

Yep.. cause they are the elite that make money and feel privileged.. Example of a p2w tank.. Pz5/4 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571405111998414862/895418090186231839/unknown.png look at the wins and what this monster can earn... vs non premium players and tech tree tanks..

Messaggio originale di CaptMuffinman:

Let us help you figure this out in an easy to understand concept. People CAN PAY MONEY FOR ANY ADVANTAGE TOWARDS VICTORY is the very definition of PAY TO WIN.

Just because you can use in game credits doesn't mean an alternative to obtain that advantage magically disappears. People can still PAY MONEY FOR THOSE ROUNDS. Which is still a PAY TO WIN option.

Here is an example of not pay to win. It can ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH IN GAME CREDITS. If at any point in time money can be spent on an advantage, that is literally, PAY TO WIN.

premium ammo costs an arm or a leg too.. if you shoot nothing but premium ammo.. you lose money.. 100k+ credits a game.. and heres the kicker if you use a premium account, boosters.. and other kinds of boosters..(p2w tanks) you can make money with that premium ammo and still win the game because you paid for the advantaged.. and if you dont use premium ammo you make more then you could dream of.. look at the image i shown.. 10 battles with all the advantages at tier 5 keep this in mind here.. you can make 1 million credits... the game is extremely p2w..
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571405111998414862/895079082461626388/unknown.png Links a great example on how much a tier 5 p2w tank without boosters can make you... If you use the p2w tank to its full power.. If i spammed gold i might have made even MORE credits.. Hilarious on how that works right?

Messaggio originale di Nibori:

All of this is pay to progress. Where is the pay to win part?

Right here! read above :)

Messaggio originale di Macdallan:

No, Tiberius is right. Your opinion is only an opinion, and you're welcome to it, but it's a fact that WoT is a pay to win game. Just because you don't understand why, or your narrow view of pay to win doesn't include all the pay to win aspects of Wot, that does not mean that it is not a pay to win game. It absolutely is, and if you open your narrow view up just a bit I think you'd see why.

I put up all the facts this game is a p2w game XD heres another example of it being a p2w game!

https://youtu.be/O0NhNlSi-qw and whats this tank? its a super p2w tank lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcIzp6lfzU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0iETs9c9s And its a tech tree tank you can just skip the grind just by Buying gold and dumping it all into credits and look at that you got a wz1115a by just throwing money on the screen!

Then you go play clanwars to get the best tanks in the game just by lol You guessed it.. Paying money.. Games indeed p2w.. dez games even says it lol people converted gold to credits to get the t22m.. My friend has almost 100billion credits.. with just playing the 5/4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9nq5z42zQ another p2w mechanic~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1xKrLbcA7s more p2w stuff lol

Messaggio originale di Blue-Ice:

Both "Premium" ammo and regular ammo can be purchased with credits earned by playing the game. Paying will NOT grant you an advantage that f2p players can't get by playing the game.

WoT is a lot of things, but P2W isn't one of them, most you can say is that it is Pay-to-not-grind.

it is p2w i gave you all the proof you require~

lets see how many people ignore everything ive said here and keep saying its not p2w lmao

the tanks you bring up arent even pay to win, the pz 5/4 is literaly a free bonds tank that anyone can get, and the t-22 medium also not up for sale, and its not even a good tier 10 medium tank. the techtree obj 140 is by far a better tank

[Lord Ragnarok]

Messaggio originale di snekkie:

Messaggio originale di Lord Ragnarok:

sa server tiers 1 to 5... and the ai uses warpack.. the banned cheat pack that wg bans lol



Yep.. cause they are the elite that make money and feel privileged.. Example of a p2w tank.. Pz5/4 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571405111998414862/895418090186231839/unknown.png look at the wins and what this monster can earn... vs non premium players and tech tree tanks..



premium ammo costs an arm or a leg too.. if you shoot nothing but premium ammo.. you lose money.. 100k+ credits a game.. and heres the kicker if you use a premium account, boosters.. and other kinds of boosters..(p2w tanks) you can make money with that premium ammo and still win the game because you paid for the advantaged.. and if you dont use premium ammo you make more then you could dream of.. look at the image i shown.. 10 battles with all the advantages at tier 5 keep this in mind here.. you can make 1 million credits... the game is extremely p2w..
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571405111998414862/895079082461626388/unknown.png Links a great example on how much a tier 5 p2w tank without boosters can make you... If you use the p2w tank to its full power.. If i spammed gold i might have made even MORE credits.. Hilarious on how that works right?

Right here! read above :)





I put up all the facts this game is a p2w game XD heres another example of it being a p2w game!

https://youtu.be/O0NhNlSi-qw and whats this tank? its a super p2w tank lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcIzp6lfzU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0iETs9c9s And its a tech tree tank you can just skip the grind just by Buying gold and dumping it all into credits and look at that you got a wz1115a by just throwing money on the screen!

Then you go play clanwars to get the best tanks in the game just by lol You guessed it.. Paying money.. Games indeed p2w.. dez games even says it lol people converted gold to credits to get the t22m.. My friend has almost 100billion credits.. with just playing the 5/4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9nq5z42zQ another p2w mechanic~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1xKrLbcA7s more p2w stuff lol



it is p2w i gave you all the proof you require~

lets see how many people ignore everything ive said here and keep saying its not p2w lmao

the tanks you bring up arent even pay to win, the pz 5/4 is literaly a free bonds tank that anyone can get, and the t-22 medium also not up for sale, and its not even a good tier 10 medium tank. the techtree obj 140 is by far a better tank

The amount of ignorance im hearing from this one.. the 5/4 is not a bond tank what your thinking of is the hydrostat.... the t-22 med was on sale for silver and you needed more then 40 million to even get one..the t22 med has impenetrable armor when reverse side scrapping good luck trying to get through 345mm of effective to 600mm of effective armor.. the bobject 140 will Never pen that.... https://tanks.gg/tank/t-22-med/model?cs=obj-140&cl=0000010 Both of these monsters were required to acquire on the black market.. You clearly don't know what your talking about.. Allow me to show you this win streak in my 5/4 Lets see how you feel about this win streak.. Then you can go all impossible like an anime.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561599297381203987/895885286897254400/unknown.png

Heres your proof people.. a p2w tank..

Have we forgotten about this tank as well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWCLwP2sfg0