You Want Proof That World of Tanks Is Pay To Win?

[Omega Sirius]

World of Tanks has premium ammo that has much better performance than regular ammo.
This is the literal definition of pay-to-win. This is not a debate.

So players investing money into the game may possibly have an advantage over you.
I've played this game for 9 years, and came on and off to check up on it every now and then. They still have this premium ammo mechanic and it most likely will never go away.

Conclusion: Don't waste your time with this game, War Thunder is better alternative than this.

[CantStopTheComf]

Originally posted by FoZz-^:

PPL DON'T WANT TO FEEL NEGATIVE EMOTIONS FOR PLAYING A GAME

I never understood why people, when this happens to them. start spending money instead of just quitting.

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by CantStopTheComf:

Originally posted by FoZz-^:

PPL DON'T WANT TO FEEL NEGATIVE EMOTIONS FOR PLAYING A GAME

I never understood why people, when this happens to them. start spending money instead of just quitting.

sunk cost fallacy

[John Paprik]

Clearly there is an adventage for paying players, the gold rounds are just weird, the equipment is quite costly even for a long playing guy and crew difference on lower tiers is really noticeable. I don't really like to use gold since the only thing I bought was a on sale premium tank to skip the credit grind to get higher tier tanks and an equipment for them.

Nowadays it is much easier to play WoT with all the events and missions. Gold rounds used to be purely for gold back in the game, credits were hard to obtain and xp took forever to grind.

While I cannot deny there are some bad decisions, If I were to choose, I would rather start playing WoT from scratch in current state, than the 2012 version.

[FoZz-^]

Originally posted by Obaminator:

Originally posted by CantStopTheComf:

I never understood why people, when this happens to them. start spending money instead of just quitting.

sunk cost fallacy

That also exaclty ;) When u in that loop hole, ur kinda stuck haha

[FoZz-^]

Originally posted by CantStopTheComf:

Originally posted by FoZz-^:

PPL DON'T WANT TO FEEL NEGATIVE EMOTIONS FOR PLAYING A GAME

I never understood why people, when this happens to them. start spending money instead of just quitting.

EZ way out, ppl have invested time and money already as mentioned under in the comments "sunk cost fallacy", would feel even more bad to just quit. And also the gameplay can be good and tempting in this game, just other aspects with the game that makes it more or less bumpy depending on how much money you invest into this game. Also ppl want to always be optimal challenged with the game, not too easy, nor too hard, with stock tanks the MM is kinda off and u become inferior to other tanks, this is a ez way out I tihnk. There are so many aspects in this game that affects the player's pschye more than one knows, espcially in this F2P modell, in this game.

[El Poto]

It is true that premium ammo had been available for many years for ingame credits. For many years we also knew that premium ammo really wasn't that usable. Best players took advantage. I remember using the T14 and very determined not to use premium ammo (at that time at least the T14 weapon was subpar). I ended up improving my performance dramatically. I used to laugh at other T14 players bouncing premium off me while I removed their health with surgical precision using regular shells.

So many learnt to use premium ammo just when necessary to still turn a profit most of the time. But then WG started to do everything possible to encourage the use of premium ammo. Remember the Sirfoch Chrysler incident? That's, coincidentally, when I stopped playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmvwiTs7Dvg&ab_channel=JimSterling

[Ellye]

Anyone flat out disagreeing that World of Tanks is pay2win is out of their minds, the game has numerous aspects that are pretty much the definition of what pay2win is.

I think the main question is: is it still fun despite that?

Personally, I still have fun with it, even without spending money. Though I avoid the top tiers, and I'm not the type of person who gets bummed out by being at a disadvantage, I'm not trying to be seriously competitive or anything like that.

I do prefer the model they are using for World of Warships, though, I find it a bit more friendly for free players.

Of course, I'd love to see a different developer trying their hands with this type of game with a more sane model, but until we get that... there's pretty much no option, as the only current competition also has the same issues.

[freedomfletch]

I find it interesting people claim the game is P2W when all premo ammo can be bought with in-game credits and the premo tanks while good have a massive cost to them because you need to spend money to transfer the xp earned on it to free xp(xp that can be used on any tank, not just that nation or tank). Not only that but they are stuck at that tier and can't progress.

[El Poto]

Originally posted by freedomfletch:

I find it interesting people claim the game is P2W when all premo ammo can be bought with in-game credits and the premo tanks while good have a massive cost to them because you need to spend money to transfer the xp earned on it to free xp(xp that can be used on any tank, not just that nation or tank). Not only that but they are stuck at that tier and can't progress.

It is P2W. But that's only one of the problems with this abomination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84bRsHTh6k

[freedomfletch]

hey its whatever, less toxic cry-babies playing the game if all of the people crying right now stop playing.

[El Poto]

Originally posted by freedomfletch:

hey its whatever, less toxic cry-babies playing the game if all of the people crying right now stop playing.

"toxic cry-babies" LOL

Toxic is part of the culture of WG. Do you know this character?

https://file.thisisgame.com/upload/tboard/user/2013/08/16/20130816150408_8928.jpg

[Nibori]

Maybe i am too old for the phrase "pay to win", but World of Tanks is not pay to win. There might be some premium tanks that are overperforming but there are more non premium tanks that would sent these back to the garage.

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by Nibori:

Maybe i am too old for the phrase "pay to win", but World of Tanks is not pay to win. There might be some premium tanks that are overperforming but there are more non premium tanks that would sent these back to the garage.

Thats a very generous threshold

[Omega Sirius]

Originally posted by Nibori:

Maybe i am too old for the phrase "pay to win", but World of Tanks is not pay to win. There might be some premium tanks that are overperforming but there are more non premium tanks that would sent these back to the garage.

Lol the game is collapsing.

[Nibori]

You missed the point of the whole topic but okay.