Why can I make a menorah but not a nativity?

[Telle]

Doesn't seem inclusive to include a Jewish holiday item, plenty of secular holiday items, but not one Christian holiday item.

[xVenomWithinx]

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No, it's not. It's a holiday symbol, you know it as much as everyone does. You're literally crying at the internet because of a menorah, a single item that represents a Judaic holiday; yet you have 8+ pages of Christmas items to earn during a 50 day Christmas event. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you're whining for attention, or trying to argue a strawman. Play the game, earn your gear, and stop crying.

You can call it crying if you'd like, it's very unproductive and shows a lack of confidence in your opinion, but you can do it just the same.

It is a holiday symbol exclusively for jews, and you know this to be true. Every other item in there is secular. Either you're lying or you're ignorant on the history of the Christmas tree. Either way, the only Christian symbol that exists during the holiday season is the Nativity. It is not represented. Equality for all, not just for who you agree with.

Yes, you're crying about this because Christians get an event where you can have your precious Christian Holiday symbolism, no other religious group gets this. You're crying because you want religious icons in a Disney game such as nativity (which will never happen). It's the same reason why you won't see Moses, or Mohammed, or Buddha, or Shiva, etc. You're crying because you want Jesus in a Disney game and think it's unfair that Jews get one Holiday item. It's whining for attention, you're arguing a strawman. Get over it.

[RedLouis_NL]

Agree to disagree and Happy Holidays everyone!

[Telle]

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Actually a quick google search would show you that a Menorah is considered a secular item in itself much like the Christmas tree. Its only the symbolism of lighting it each night that turns it religious.

The menorah in the game is completely lit. So by your own logic it's a religious symbol. Thank you for your input.

[xVenomWithinx]

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Yes, you're crying about this because Christians get an event where you can have your precious Christian Holiday symbolism, no other religious group gets this. You're crying because you want religious icons in a Disney game such as nativity (which will never happen). It's the same reason why you won't see Moses, or Mohammed, or Buddha, or Shiva, etc. You're crying because you want Jesus in a Disney game and think it's unfair that Jews get one Holiday item. It's whining for attention, you're arguing a strawman. Get over it.

You don't know what a strawman is. You are of your father the devil.

Says the whining "Christian" 🙄 😂 Pretty sure even Mary wears a headscarf in the Nativity scene, and a fully lit menorah isnt the religious act of lighting each one each night, hence the strawman argument on your part. Educate yourself. Enjoy the Disney game! Hail Satan 🤘😈

[Telle]

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You don't know what a strawman is. You are of your father the devil.

Says the whining "Christian" 🙄 😂 Pretty sure even Mary wears a headscarf in the Nativity scene, and a fully lit menorah isnt the religious act of lighting each one each night, hence the strawman argument on your part. Educate yourself. Enjoy the Disney game! Hail Satan 🤘😈

At least I got you to admit it. ggez.

[xVenomWithinx]

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Says the whining "Christian" 🙄 😂 Pretty sure even Mary wears a headscarf in the Nativity scene, and a fully lit menorah isnt the religious act of lighting each one each night, hence the strawman argument on your part. Educate yourself. Enjoy the Disney game! Hail Satan 🤘😈

At least I got you to admit it. ggez.

Lolol you did nothing! 😂 🤣 you've had no valid argument.

[xVenomWithinx]

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Yup! And I'll keep coming back because this entire post is as asinine as your "point" 😂😂

The exclamation point and the laughing emojis shows how insecure you are in your opinion. You know I'm correct about religious representation, but you cannot allow yourself to be honest about that. The menorah is a jewish religion symbol. Trying to deny that is absurd to such an extent, that I cannot believe you are trying to argue otherwise.

Just admit your bigotry.

It's not a religious symbol, it's specifically a holiday symbol. Other users have pointed this out, yet you choose to disagree because the facts hurt your feelings or your ego. You're obviously confusing a Hanukkah menorah which is specifically used during Hanukkah (and is the one displayed in the game, 9 candlesticks), vs the actual religious symbol menorah, (which has two less candlestick posts, 7 total). It's honestly laughable that you claim to know this when you very clearly don't. So, now that different menorah types have been established, the game clearly offers diverse holiday representation. In fact, it offers significantly more Christian Holiday representation than any other religious holiday.

What you want is religious symbolism, and it won't happen in a Disney game.

The only bigot here is you. I'm sure you'll come back to have the last word, and it'll further show your lack of knowledge on the matter. You have no valid argument and zero clue on what you're trying to convey. I'll continue to use emojis simply because it's entertaining to see how pathetically you react 😂😂😂

[MadDawg2552]

https://lifehopeandtruth.com/god/blog/four-reasons-christmas-is-not-christian/

Real Christians don't celebrate Christmas, and we certainly don't worship Santa Claus.

[TTVThatWitchKaia]

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They are not "secular" items. Most are religious items Christianity stole from other religions, and some are ones that local people brought from Jul (or Yule) into Christianity. None of that makes them secular by any stretch of the imagination.

Meanwhile, the menorah is not inherently as religious as a nativity scene. In point of fact, I'm a non-practicing ethnic Jew, and I light the menorah every year. My mother always lit the menorah with us when I was a child, even though my parents didn't raise us with religion, and we also always attended Passover dinner at my grandmother's.

If you're going to call something unfair, at least know what you're talking about first. Embarrassing to know so little about your own religion.

So what a second... You just fully admitted that most "Christmas items" were, you say stolen, one could say adopted. But you yourself just admitted they're not Christian. So you actually agree with my original post that only secular and former pagan holiday items are included.

As far as the menorah, now you're just splitting hairs to fit your own narrative. The menorah is only lit during the holiday season as it represent Hannukah. A religious holiday celebrated by jews, not anyone else. So your religion that you don't practice, yet you do practice (?), is represented but mine is not.

"I wasn't raised religious but we practice passover every year." I don't think you're even logical enough to have this conversation. Begone, Edom.

Hey, y'all stole the items and made them part of your holiday. You don't get to say they're not Christian now. Also, since you are the ignorant one here: The Christmas tree has it's origins in the 16th century with German Christians. It is literally a tradition made by Christians for Christmas. How the actual heck is that not Christian enough for you?

I am not splitting hairs by any definition of the term. The Nativity depicts the birth of Jesus which is central to Christianity. The Menorah (only on Hannukah, mind) represents only a single miracle. Hannukah is not even the most important Jewish festival and it is not, as you seem to think, some kind of "Jewish Christmas." There is simply no comparison here. They're not remotely the same.

Due to ostracism and persecution, Jewish religious festivals and traditions developed a deeply cultural element. We became an ethnicity, due very much in part to the antisemitic actions of Christians. Thus, many of our festivals continue to be practiced even by secular Jews, like myself.

Seriously, learn some theology and history before you try to have a conversation about it.

[GoodFaery]

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Actually a quick google search would show you that a Menorah is considered a secular item in itself much like the Christmas tree. Its only the symbolism of lighting it each night that turns it religious.

The menorah in the game is completely lit. So by your own logic it's a religious symbol. Thank you for your input.

No, I said the act of lighting one candle each night is considered religious.
The state of the menorah as all candles lit or all unlit does not contribute.

Again this has been debated in larger areas that the discussion forum of a game. I found that info from 2 min of searching online, you should try it.

[Telle]

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So what a second... You just fully admitted that most "Christmas items" were, you say stolen, one could say adopted. But you yourself just admitted they're not Christian. So you actually agree with my original post that only secular and former pagan holiday items are included.

As far as the menorah, now you're just splitting hairs to fit your own narrative. The menorah is only lit during the holiday season as it represent Hannukah. A religious holiday celebrated by jews, not anyone else. So your religion that you don't practice, yet you do practice (?), is represented but mine is not.

"I wasn't raised religious but we practice passover every year." I don't think you're even logical enough to have this conversation. Begone, Edom.

Hey, y'all stole the items and made them part of your holiday. You don't get to say they're not Christian now. Also, since you are the ignorant one here: The Christmas tree has it's origins in the 16th century with German Christians. It is literally a tradition made by Christians for Christmas. How the actual heck is that not Christian enough for you?

I am not splitting hairs by any definition of the term. The Nativity depicts the birth of Jesus which is central to Christianity. The Menorah (only on Hannukah, mind) represents only a single miracle. Hannukah is not even the most important Jewish festival and it is not, as you seem to think, some kind of "Jewish Christmas." There is simply no comparison here. They're not remotely the same.

Due to ostracism and persecution, Jewish religious festivals and traditions developed a deeply cultural element. We became an ethnicity, due very much in part to the antisemitic actions of Christians. Thus, many of our festivals continue to be practiced even by secular Jews, like myself.

Seriously, learn some theology and history before you try to have a conversation about it.

I didn't steal anything. Don't lump an entire group together to justify your bigotry. The Old Testament is very clear about Christmas trees, and that's what I follow.

If Edomites get a holiday item then the descendants of the promise should as well.

[Telle]

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The menorah in the game is completely lit. So by your own logic it's a religious symbol. Thank you for your input.

No, I said the act of lighting one candle each night is considered religious.
The state of the menorah as all candles lit or all unlit does not contribute.

Again this has been debated in larger areas that the discussion forum of a game. I found that info from 2 min of searching online, you should try it.

I don't care what nonsense and lies you found on forums. We both know it's true, why lie? Can you not help yourself?

[TTVThatWitchKaia]

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I didn't steal anything. Don't lump an entire group together to justify your bigotry. The Old Testament is very clear about Christmas trees, and that's what I follow.

If Edomites get a holiday item then the descendants of the promise should as well.

Ahahahahahahahas OHMYGOD your ignorance is hilarious! I'm dying, I'm laughing so hard.

Christianity, as whole, stole from many others. And it's hysterical that you mention the "Old Testament" because that is composed of a number of Jewish religious texts that Christians, what do you know, stole.

And then...and then...hahahahaha...you bring up the "Old Testament's" words about Christmas trees, which is NOT about Christmas trees at all, but...but...oh god, I can't even. That paragraph is directed at Jews. Not at Christians. It warns specifically against the behaviors of Gentiles. Non-Jews. As a Christian, you are a Gentile. It does not apply to you. That's kind of what happens when you gank other people's religious texts and try to retcon them into your religion.

Rich of you to call me a bigot when that's the second time you've called me an antisemitic slur in this thread. You do know your beloved Jesus was an "Edomite" right? He was a Jew. Not the pasty-faced dude in your profile pic, but an eastern, fully Semitic Jew. That guy there in your profile? He was a later development, when Christians saw frescoes of a shepherd in various places and decided to conflate him with Jesus.

That's Art History 101, my friend. Learn some.

You aren't a descendant of the promise either. That's from Genesis. It's from a Jewish text. We are those descendants.

[GoodFaery]

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No, I said the act of lighting one candle each night is considered religious.
The state of the menorah as all candles lit or all unlit does not contribute.

Again this has been debated in larger areas that the discussion forum of a game. I found that info from 2 min of searching online, you should try it.

I don't care what nonsense and lies you found on forums. We both know it's true, why lie? Can you not help yourself?

ooooooh okay yeah this type of response immediately points to this whole thread being a troll post.

Lets stop feeding the trolls y,all. This will be my last post here as well.

[cuhr]

Messaggio originale di Telle:

Doesn't seem inclusive to include a Jewish holiday item, plenty of secular holiday items, but not one Christian holiday item.

I'm so embarrassed for you. Dumbest post I've maybe ever seen.