Across the Obelisk
anima132000 Aug 28, 2022 @ 7:06am
Bree and the last boss
How is Bree supposed to handle this with the last tier of her talent tree wherein her block charges become thorns? She losses a lot of effective HP to tank the combos of the last boss fight since she takes it on with her base HP as a result... Can she actually solo tank in higher madness levels for the last boss because she essentially has to rely on her 200+ HP pool without any armor to mitigate that with the EHP she'd get otherwise. This in addition to the boss' hits being really hard she isn't very effective in that role with the last tier of her perk... Since she gets really screwed over at the last boss.
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dacarnix Aug 28, 2022 @ 8:25am 
To go the Thorn Queen route with Bree, you definitely need a lot of healing. I've beaten the last boss with that path at lowish Madness levels, but she's definitely not a traditional "tank" character.

I've come to vastly prefer her skill path over her Thorns path, personally. I had my doubts at first, but it actually allows her to work quite well as a support character who's also an okay tank.
Zouls Aug 28, 2022 @ 8:31am 
Yeah i reached him too and it was impossible to beat due to him getting 2 rounds in a row that combo killed her even from full 220 hp.

i dont like that talent, it feels like a massive trap.
TnJ Aug 28, 2022 @ 8:32am 
Depends how you build her. She can get her resists extremely high. I don't think Queen of thorns is really for tanking though. Thorns as a whole scale poorly.
anima132000 Aug 28, 2022 @ 8:48am 
It was just such a bad trap honestly since I am certain just picking the other talent would've given me the much needed survival, whereas Queen of Thorns just killed that aspect so badly. Her support was okay at that point, nothing too exceptional really but I had good healing since I had the Yin Yang Potion on my Zeke (so stacking sancification to easily heal up was a breeze) and I had Gustav + Nezglekt as well stacking high enough insanity but that last talent tier just killed the run at the last boss so badly.
Funken Aug 28, 2022 @ 9:17am 
I just used her as a dps so went rhe skill route on madness 3. I bet I could have used the thorn queen if I wanted. I went hard vitality with the weapon cards that scale on hp. She was a monster super tanky and did crazy damage. I used the electric mage as her battery and she just demolished everyone while my golem stacked shield to 1 shot with shield throw.
King Aug 28, 2022 @ 9:24am 
I just beat the final boss yesterday with Queen of Thorns Bree and had a ton of fun.

How do you do it? Have a strong support and decent team comp.

I was playing with a friend and this was out team comp.

Bree - Queen of Thorns
Thorn based build and traits to boost torns.
For gear i had a basic mace, Samurai Armor (replaced Yimirs shield because needed to survive hits better), Forest Crown, Strong Mojo for Regen and Dispel. Champy Beaver for Palisade.

Thuls - Wide Sleeves
Poison and Small Weapons build.
For gear i had Helblade for marks and bonus marks in perks, then just poison items. and Slime pet with upgrade to add vuln to it.

Cornelius - The wildcard
My friend took Mana Loop and Kassanddra's Mirror in the last act for fun and it was really hectic but did good damage in general. The usual Burn style build.

Nezglekt - Chtulu mind healer
Pretty stndard build for him items and cards but he had a Hydra egg for more regen.
Just damaged to healed from insanity an it worked well enough. Also kept us purged of bad stuff.

This was it out buid, nothing special really and this was the 2nd time i beat the final boss with Queen of Thorns Bree. So it def is doable just make sure you bring good support with her either via bard or strong healers. Voodoo lady is also a good match for Bree.

So yeah i dont think Queen of Thorns is a trap and ill never see myself pick anything but it from here on, loved the fun i had with Bree and it. Just remember team comp makes the difference for more tricky characters.
Tsuru Aug 28, 2022 @ 9:33am 
She tanks with high resist and vitality.
Stormfox Aug 28, 2022 @ 11:08am 
Bree (and imho most tanks besides Heiner) plays best with liberal use of Vitality charges.

In general I find they are the most reliable method to "heal" since they do not suffer from overheal issues, only very rarely get purged, are reasonably efficient mana-wise, protect from one-shots or one-rounding and make sure your party always starts combats on full base HP.

Bree even has another reason to use low or zero block and mostly tank with her HP with her Stampede ability (which is extremely strong against groups and still nice to have against single bosses).
Jack Sidharth Aug 28, 2022 @ 2:17pm 
Give Bree the Vitality stacks=8hp perk and pair her with Malukah built around stacking them. No need for block when you can stack hp.
HAWAIIANpikachu Aug 28, 2022 @ 2:59pm 
The best way to be sure she doesn't get forced to soak up too much damage with high resistances for all types. I highly recommend giving her turn 1 all 3 resistances so she doesn't die while you're setting her up. Going with light thorns and spamming high defense cards allows her to shred the final boss due to the boss favoring a lot of AoE attacks.
The answer for Bree's survival is really just all around resistances. You'll need to transit into resistance based setups, so she can tank actual hits. HP is her only method of survival, so vitality stacks are great on her.

Her only problem is likely Lord Henshack, in which his Disintegrate can put you into some really dangerous health. Otherwise, she can survive pretty much anything with the right build, all the way into final boss.

However, if you go Thorns Queen, her final damage dealt will be shot skyhigh, and likey placed second in rank for the total damage dealt at the final combat log.
dan.w Sep 1, 2022 @ 9:07am 
I've found her thorns build works very well when you're stacking Vitality. If you're running Gustav and/or using a healer specced into vitality, you'll be able to run without block. The main thing is to try and keep mitigation high. Keep stacks of Reinforce, courage, and insulated up as much as possible.

Edit: Thorns Bree works really well against the final boss too because of the amount of hits he does every turn. In the later rounds Bree can inflict thousands of damage, especially if you are brave enough to toss up a well timed taunt :P
Last edited by dan.w; Sep 1, 2022 @ 9:14am
Hyde Sep 1, 2022 @ 9:46am 
What I noticed was that the top role isn't "tank" it is "warrior" and so they made it possible to run them less as tank characters and more as dps with some builds
Tsuru Sep 1, 2022 @ 10:15am 
Bree is a resistance/mitagation tank. So if you dont have that. Then she aint tankin
kilerik Sep 6, 2022 @ 7:38am 
You should focus on resist with bree. If you focus on thorn items, she can die even with the best healing.
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