Making this game a tower defence is so wrong and will ruin the game wtf

[PercFoEver]

Title says it all ... Tower defence are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash .. Just keep a good open world survival wtf this game need a lot of corrections wtf are the devs retarded or what ?

[DragynDance]

Tower defense is what seperates this game and makes it a gem from the millions of other zombie survival games. IF it didn't have the tower defense stuff, this game would just die out. Since orcs must die self destructed, this is the closest thing we'll get to that game, and thats what people love and want from this game. I you hate it, literally type "zombie" into the steam store search and play anything else that comes up.

[DankWestern]

You can't ruin dough by turning it into bread.

[Moksha ex machina]

This game is a niche RTS, like They Are Billions with a different camera angle and without passive economy.

The open world part of this game is pretty shallow, no NPC dialogues, no stories, just a dead world for grinding resources.

The survival part is pretty good - uncovering hidden mechanics, accumulating tricks, applying knowledge to survive, with low emphasis on hunger, thirst, warmth, biological needs, etc

Melee combat is crap, ranged combat is mediocre, but trap combat is awesome.

PvP is worthless in the current state thanks to glitches, exploits, and cheats.

So, just keep on strengthening what this game is good at with new updates.

[PercFoEver]

Originally posted by Moksha ex machina:

This game is a niche RTS, like They Are Billions with a different camera angle and without passive economy.

The open world part of this game is pretty shallow, no NPC dialogues, no stories, just a dead world for grinding resources.

The survival part is pretty good - uncovering hidden mechanics, accumulating tricks, applying knowledge to survive, with low emphasis on hunger, thirst, warmth, biological needs, etc

Melee combat is crap, ranged combat is mediocre, but trap combat is awesome.

PvP is worthless in the current state thanks to glitches, exploits, and cheats.

So, just keep on strengthening what this game is good at with new updates.

Yeah you are right about all that.. I just think they are too much focusing on the "tower defence" functions ... which i dont think will make this game popular ... Tower defence are for phone games lmao They should focus on updating combats , and real functions that they can implement in this PC game ...

[dcy665]

There are many tower defense games, which this game is, and always was. So how you're confused about its goal now is - well, confusing.

Why complain about a game with X if you don't like X in the first place?
I knew this was tower defense, everything else is either A: escape, B: loot to build tower defense. Did you miss that piece of information? Cause I sure got it.

Play something else. Leave this game to people who actually like it. And, by definition, tower defense games.

[drchrisms]

This game is a TOWER DEFENSE GAME. That's how the devs want it, obviously. lol

[PercFoEver]

Originally posted by dcy665:

There are many tower defense games, which this game is, and always was. So how you're confused about its goal now is - well, confusing.

Why complain about a game with X if you don't like X in the first place?
I knew this was tower defense, everything else is either A: escape, B: loot to build tower defense. Did you miss that piece of information? Cause I sure got it.

Play something else. Leave this game to people who actually like it. And, by definition, tower defense games.

Ok you are dumb and dont understand my point it's ok cuh ... -.- i dont have time to explain something to a brain dead ;)

[dcy665]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It is a TOWER DEFENSE GAME, oh high and mighty but so very brain dead one. Look at the first trailers, "And at night, the hordes come" then it shows ... a tower defense grid, with flame throwers, and the rest of the long range defenses. Look at the update trailer, looks exactly like a beefier version of the initial release.

Go play Call of War Duty Lobby Shoot McFaces.

[Arkady]

I have to agree with the OP, to an extent. Night of the Dead isn't trash, but the tower defense aspect is way over the top and works against the other systems.

Also, this isn't how the game is described and marketed on the store page. It's basically presented as a 7D2D clone (which is a really good thing). 7 Days has a key tower defense aspect, but with NotD this overshadows the crafting, and more importantly the exploration of an interesting game world.

I don't really want to refund but the gameplay loop isn't what is being sold on the store page. I think NotD, more than any other early access survival crafting base-builder has the potential to seriously compete with 7 Days and really establish itself as its own game. I don't think it can do that while it focuses so dramatically on nightly tower defense. There is a good reason why 7 Days spreads out the horde invasions weekly and lets players adjust that to be less or more frequent.

[Asheira]

OP, what do you think would make this a better game then?
Criticism alone doesn't help to improve a game.

[drchrisms]

Originally posted by Arkady:

I have to agree with the OP, to an extent. Night of the Dead isn't trash, but the tower defense aspect is way over the top and works against the other systems.

Also, this isn't how the game is described and marketed on the store page. It's basically presented as a 7D2D clone (which is a really good thing). 7 Days has a key tower defense aspect, but with NotD this overshadows the crafting, and more importantly the exploration of an interesting game world.

I don't really want to refund but the gameplay loop isn't what is being sold on the store page. I think NotD, more than any other early access survival crafting base-builder has the potential to seriously compete with 7 Days and really establish itself as its own game. I don't think it can do that while it focuses so dramatically on nightly tower defense. There is a good reason why 7 Days spreads out the horde invasions weekly and lets players adjust that to be less or more frequent.

To be fair, how long has 7D2D been in Early Access? Give the game a bit more time, or a few more staff.. since just 2 seems to be not enough for all the wants that the playerbase has.

[dcy665]

7D2D was released to early access in Dec. 2013, really? And it is still there. With those graphics. Okay. Cool for you.

[Arkady]

Originally posted by drchrisms:

Originally posted by Arkady:

I have to agree with the OP, to an extent. Night of the Dead isn't trash, but the tower defense aspect is way over the top and works against the other systems.

Also, this isn't how the game is described and marketed on the store page. It's basically presented as a 7D2D clone (which is a really good thing). 7 Days has a key tower defense aspect, but with NotD this overshadows the crafting, and more importantly the exploration of an interesting game world.

I don't really want to refund but the gameplay loop isn't what is being sold on the store page. I think NotD, more than any other early access survival crafting base-builder has the potential to seriously compete with 7 Days and really establish itself as its own game. I don't think it can do that while it focuses so dramatically on nightly tower defense. There is a good reason why 7 Days spreads out the horde invasions weekly and lets players adjust that to be less or more frequent.

To be fair, how long has 7D2D been in Early Access? Give the game a bit more time, or a few more staff.. since just 2 seems to be not enough for all the wants that the playerbase has.

I agree, they need more time and that's fine. There is a lot they do right. They also don't really sell the game as a tower defense with crafting tacked on. I think they need more time to help define what they want their game to be. I'll definitely keep an eye on development and check it out again in the future.

[redcloud1187]

just turn off the waves and increase the world zombies when starting a new game shouldn't that make so u are free to build a base without putting up traps for waves each night

[velrac]

Originally posted by Asheira:

OP, what do you think would make this a better game then?
Criticism alone doesn't help to improve a game.

As a new player I think one change could be on easy difficulty you start at 5 am and on normal difficulty you start at 9 am. Those extra hours alone would be a big help to get up and running.
Also perhaps combining a couple of the work benches together. I spend more time running back and forth between them trying to find what I need to build.