The devs said they are thinking about adding Invasions on a twitter post. What are your thoughts?

[ChubbiChibbai]

Personally i hate the idea.

I understand people enjoy this in some games but if i wanted to play PVP i would pick up a PVP game. I'm fine with a dedicated PVP mode for those who want it but i absolutely don't want my single player experience ruined by forced PVP encounters.

Also adding PVP adds a whole new layer of balance. We have seen many single player games have weapons or skills nerfed to account for their use in PVP at the expense of the single player enjoyment.

Finally it feels like the developers are often just reaching for many ideas without a solid picture of where they want to go. They put up polls asking who wants what - but don't they already have a plan? Are they just adding things that they think are popular instead of focusing on actually delivering the core game.

I know PVP is popular with many though and that is just my own opinion on the matter.

Thoughts?

[Dan]

Invasions/pvp should 100% be optional. I'm sick and tired of multiplayer and pvp as it is, I play these type of games to chill and just do my own thing without some weirdo coming into my game uninvited.

Also, no mmorpg has ever been successful in balancing pve with pvp content with skills, abilities and armors. You're either focused on the game being pve or pvp, NOT both as it's 100% guaranteed to not work, be stupidly imbalanced, and just not fun seeing nerfs and adjustments in pvp or pve because someones crying about one or the other. IT'S A TRAP!

[ChubbiChibbai]

Publicado originalmente por Dan:

Invasions/pvp should 100% be optional. I'm sick and tired of multiplayer and pvp as it is, I play these type of games to chill and just do my own thing without some weirdo coming into my game uninvited.

Exactly how i feel lol.
Its not just a weirdo. Its a sweaty weird with way too much time on their hands who is going to easily stomp me so its fun for them and not for me.

Publicado originalmente por Dan:

Also, no mmorpg has ever been successful in balancing pve with pvp content with skills, abilities and armors. You're either focused on the game being pve or pvp, NOT both as it's 100% guaranteed to not work, be stupidly imbalanced, and just not fun seeing nerfs and adjustments in pvp or pve because someones crying about one or the other. IT'S A TRAP!

Always.
Every game ends up making PVE stuff worse to balance the endless balancing demands from those who play it for PVP.

Honestly i'll be very pissed if they do implement this and have it forced. The game was sold as a PVE experience.

[Sir Víve]

Boring metas form in PvE games that have no PvP, so I don't understand the balancing argument. I think PvP would be lots of added fun in a game that I would otherwise uninstall after playing through and never look back. I guess PvEers would get all upset though, as usual. It's whatever; I'll keep to my match based games since community feedback never allows anything other than the normal PvE game that usually resembles the last 100 PvE games I've played.

[ChubbiChibbai]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Víve:

Boring metas form in PvE games that have no PvP, so I don't understand the balancing argument. I think PvP would be lots of added fun in a game that I would otherwise uninstall after playing through and never look back. I guess PvEers would get all upset though, as usual. It's whatever; I'll keep to my match based games since community feedback never allows anything other than the normal PvE game that usually resembles the last 100 PvE games I've played.

Or... make it optional.
I think you obviously have a strong opinion and some experience in seeing it work beneficially. I don't see why it could be a realm specific setting.

That way people who want PVP can turn it on and allow invaders while those who want to play without being invaded can turn it off.

[VonFIDDE]

I really like the invasion concept, the only bad thing is how do you deal with all the cheaters? Will we see another exploiter jumping into games and ruin savefiles? It's a risky path and if the game keeps small then i feel its way more ok then if it goes big.

Sniper Elite handled invasions great i would say, player choose themself to allow it or not and the reward is xp/cosmetics. Didn't face any cheaters in SE but i did face the boring meta after awhile.

My experience in Dark Souls 3 was also very positive, with people invade just to kill or even to help.

[ChubbiChibbai]

Publicado originalmente por VonFIDDE:

Sniper Elite handled invasions great i would say, player choose themself to allow it or not and the reward is xp/cosmetics. Didn't face any cheaters in SE but i did face the boring meta after awhile.

Yes!
I really enjoyed it in that game actually.

[Sgt.JESUS]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Víve:

Boring metas form in PvE games that have no PvP, so I don't understand the balancing argument. I think PvP would be lots of added fun in a game that I would otherwise uninstall after playing through and never look back. I guess PvEers would get all upset though, as usual. It's whatever; I'll keep to my match based games since community feedback never allows anything other than the normal PvE game that usually resembles the last 100 PvE games I've played.

Do you even enjoy playing PvE? Since you said yourself that every PvE game for you resembles the last 100 PvE games you look like someone who only enjoys PvP. I think CSGO or anyother game like PUBG must be your think, there are even some medieval ones that are only PvP.

[Sir Víve]

Publicado originalmente por Sgt.JESUS:

Do you even enjoy playing PvE? Since you said yourself that every PvE game for you resembles the last 100 PvE games you look like someone who only enjoys PvP. I think CSGO or anyother game like PUBG must be your think, there are even some medieval ones that are only PvP.

I usually enjoy replayable PvE games: rogue-likes, and citybuilding strategy games. Some story driven games are cool. I liked Diablo IV for the story, but I fail to see why anyone keeps playing it after that, personally. Helldivers is a fun PvE game. But you are right, I prefer to spend my time playing competitively in games, whether that be against challenging Mobs that make me play multiple playthroughs to see how much faster or more efficient I can do it, or against other players.

However, some people seem to be able to play the same unchallenging content over and over. The last game I had my eye on was Sons of the Forest. I bought and played through that in about 10 hours. I look at that game's Steam forums for what people are talking about and any dev announcements. It blows my mind they have people playing that game for so many hours still and basically only building the entire time. I can't seem to veg out like that, personally.

Outside of match-based PvP games, I usually watch for games that have more an open-world aspect to it because I like the exploration and randomness of emergent encounters, which make replaying the game never exactly the same. RPGs with very little story progression and mostly have a linear progression of beat the boss till you get to the endboss, beating the game, usually lose my interest or at most only get me to one-time play through it.

I thought survival PvP would be my favorite genre. However, all of them usually end up being too much a sandbox, depending too heavily on players to drive the content, or they lean too heavy into a PvE progression that clashes with PvP and doesn't make for a fun experience. It'd be nice if a PvEvP survival game came out with really great PvE but had progression based mainly around PvP. It seems most community feedback drives devs away from any "forced PvP" however, so it'll probably never happen.

Rust and DayZ seem too much like a time consuming BR game rather than a really in-depth PvEvP game. I'd rather play a BR game or extraction shooter with the lack of good PvE to act as driving points for PvP, giving it purpose other than PvP for the sake of it. Watching people spend hours roaming around trying to find one-PvP fight in DayZ is a level of patience I don't have. However, if I was playing good PvE objectives that caused emergent PvP throughout progression then I would always feel engaged and goal driven. Unfortunately, any game with good PvE gets the same feedback and drives PvP into these optional modes rather than being a core of progression.

I do really like the idea of invasion and souls like PvP though. I always wished that option was in Valheim when I started getting bored with the Mob mechanics and building. Even when I played Manor Lords, I thought how cool it would be if, instead of other off-map lords, random invasions from other players could happen from off-map.

I got bored with Skull & Bones too and wished that there was some sort of invasion PvP that would keep me on my toes and add risk. Games become too predictable and I get bored. Lately, most PvE games are resembling too much other games and lose my interest even faster.

I'm currently messing around in Star Citizen for the immersive exploration aspects. The AI seems to be very challenging and it's hard to grind money to buy new ships and things. Random players kill me, especially if I become criminal. It's kinda funny too cause lots of them will RP over Voip when they do it, at least when they catch me on foot cause I eject from the ship or landed to do a mission on foot. They added a faction karma system that I'm trying to see how that works. The game crashes and gets buggy though, but I hope it turns out good and doesn't screw over PvP too much by making it some optional mode.

But yeah... TLDR, I get bored with lots of PvE games and wish there was some sort of competitive PvP element to it to keep me in a world I enjoy being immersed in longer. Immersion is a big selling point for me too. I loved Cyberpunk because of this, and the added lore of the anime helped me get even more immersed.


Damn... sometimes I just start typing and don't realize how much I've typed.

[🕹️Mr.Griffin]

I can't even rebind the most of my keyboard yet !!! so no Cares about invasions i don't play half brewed games that are only there to make a Quick Buck , and force you to play with there Button layout or with a controller !!! I mean it's STEAM a PC platform and REAL PC players don't use a controller so please ADD FULLY CUSTOMIZE KEYBOARD CONTROLS it take 1 Hour to do on Unreal engine 5

[AtlasRedux]

Publicado originalmente por -=Mr. Griffin=-:

I can't even rebind the most of my keyboard yet !!! so no Cares about invasions i don't play half brewed games that are only there to make a Quick Buck , and force you to play with there Button layout or with a controller !!! I mean it's STEAM a PC platform and REAL PC players don't use a controller so please ADD FULLY CUSTOMIZE KEYBOARD CONTROLS it take 1 Hour to do on Unreal engine 5

Kid. It's an early access game. It says, with a huge gigantic warning box RIGHT ON THE STORE FRONT PAGE that the game is incomplete and may or may not ever get updates and you're not entitled to anything.

[Blackwolfe]

They said that IF they do add invasions, they'd be opt-in, so don't worry.

[ChubbiChibbai]

Publicado originalmente por Blackwolfe:

They said that IF they do add invasions, they'd be opt-in, so don't worry.

Good info. Thanks for sharing.

[Heroine Nisa]

Fully optional with a toggle is the only way that I will regain any kind of interest to this game.

I lost all interest when I saw gathering nodes and if I will need to watch over my shoulder in case little twinkie timmy comes I will lose it.

Forced PvP has no place here or anywhere. I dont mind if the pvp players who enjoy it to have a dedicated arena gamemode.

[Mikebeez]

Sure add it, just make it optional and not affect balance for PvE. It's literally just that simple.

If this happens then PvE players cannot cry about getting ganked, and PvP players can't cry about not having like minded people to PvP with.

[Sir.Beast]

they should do it but let players play as monsters so that even the most elite players will stuggle but are the devs willing to make the game sick as hek or just sick