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brown.laura83 Aug 15, 2021 @ 12:39pm
Great game, just a few issues...
I loved the environments, lighting, atmosphere and sound etc. It looks beautiful and is plenty creepy. I don't mind the dialogue being cheesy - that was the charm of the games that inspired this.

However:

The combat seemed extra tricky (and I've played the original Resi games) as I found the weapon quite hard to direct at enemies and cumbersome generally and you couldn't see them half the time when you were attacking.

The nudity scene was obviously gratuitous... you can show vulnerability without focusing on a character's breasts in this way, but I'm sure I'll get attacked by the overly excitable fanboys on here for saying so! Big fan of characters like Claire Redfield who weren't sexualised in this way. ;)
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Morton Koopa Jr. Aug 15, 2021 @ 7:29pm 
The combat seemed extra tricky (and I've played the original Resi games) as I found the weapon quite hard to direct at enemies and cumbersome generally

The auto aim is tricky?

you couldn't see them half the time when you were attacking.

Like it or not, that's a byproduct of the fixed camera angle.

The nudity scene was obviously gratuitous... you can show vulnerability without focusing on a character's breasts in this way,

You can also show horror without gore and relying on mental illness tropes...but it's their artistic license to do so.
ksio89 Aug 15, 2021 @ 10:25pm 
I feel like you took the words from my keyboard, I have the same opinion as you. The atmosphere and environment are incredible, and I even liked the puzzles, but the demo is a bit too rough on some edges. Now that you've already created a topic to share your constructive criticism, here are some aspects from the demo that I feel need to improve:

- I also felt the aiming was a bit off, the character is kinda slow to ready the weapon on button press and back dodge was not very responsive, I mean, there's either a great delay between pressing R1/RB + square/X or a "cool off" time to perform the move again

- walking animation is very weird, looks like she was hopping instead of walking. However, if you move the left stick just slightly, Caroline will walk normally, I felt this should be the normal walking animation, only faster. Also, I don't know if it just wasn't implemented in the demo, but she did not run while holding the correspondent button.

- character modelling is really, really off, I felt like the character model is from an anime game, and her outfit just doesn't fit the scenery and atmosphere at all. The Father model was laughable, specially his face. He looked as if he was made from wax and first time I saw him, I actually thought he was a monster lol.

-the nudity at the beginning was cheap fanservice and completely unecessary

-when the character health is on danger and the inventory is open the controller vibrates along with the heartbeats, this is very annoying and distracting. I really think there should be an option to disable that.

-also I noticed a technical goof on the valve pressure puzzle: on the piece of paper stuck to the generator and the pressure gauge, it should read "kg/cm²" (mass per area, or pressure) instead of "kg/cm", which doesn't make any sense in this context.
Last edited by ksio89; Aug 15, 2021 @ 10:36pm
yayokay Aug 15, 2021 @ 11:50pm 
Originally posted by brown.laura83:

The nudity scene was obviously gratuitous... you can show vulnerability without focusing on a character's breasts in this way, but I'm sure I'll get attacked by the overly excitable fanboys on here for saying so! Big fan of characters like Claire Redfield who weren't sexualised in this way. ;)

The only one who have sexualised thoughts are you.
Marcus Aug 16, 2021 @ 8:00am 
I don't have any issues with the nudity. It's an adult game, for adults.
Also like her outfit and main weapon, it's a nice standout design.
It's important the main character of a horror game is recognizable and I think they nailed that, pardon the pun.
Combat is kinda ok but a bit dull. Found out you can jump back with the run button way too late.
Worst part for me are the monster designs and their animations, especially the hit and dying animations, they are pretty terrible. I hope at least the animations get polished for final release because they look pretty cheap.
Environments are gorgeous however and the camera angles are also good.
Music is very solid, no real complaints here.
I love survival horror and it's nice to see something more akin to the genre classics instead of all the boring 1st person, "oh no, I can't defend myself", type of games.
Confederate Aug 16, 2021 @ 8:57am 
Originally posted by Lain:
I don't have any issues with the nudity. It's an adult game, for adults.
Also like her outfit and main weapon, it's a nice standout design.
It's important the main character of a horror game is recognizable and I think they nailed that, pardon the pun.
Combat is kinda ok but a bit dull. Found out you can jump back with the run button way too late.
Worst part for me are the monster designs and their animations, especially the hit and dying animations, they are pretty terrible. I hope at least the animations get polished for final release because they look pretty cheap.
Environments are gorgeous however and the camera angles are also good.
Music is very solid, no real complaints here.
I love survival horror and it's nice to see something more akin to the genre classics instead of all the boring 1st person, "oh no, I can't defend myself", type of games.
Well said.
brown.laura83 Aug 18, 2021 @ 7:00am 
Originally posted by Sundae Soup:
Originally posted by brown.laura83:

The nudity scene was obviously gratuitous... you can show vulnerability without focusing on a character's breasts in this way, but I'm sure I'll get attacked by the overly excitable fanboys on here for saying so! Big fan of characters like Claire Redfield who weren't sexualised in this way. ;)

The only one who have sexualised thoughts are you.

Ummmm... nope.
yayokay Aug 18, 2021 @ 7:04am 
Originally posted by brown.laura83:
Originally posted by Sundae Soup:

The only one who have sexualised thoughts are you.

Ummmm... nope.

Sure.
Showing breasts is nothing what should be wrong. It's a normal part of a woman's body.
brown.laura83 Aug 18, 2021 @ 7:08am 
Originally posted by ksio89:
I feel like you took the words from my keyboard, I have the same opinion as you. The atmosphere and environment are incredible, and I even liked the puzzles, but the demo is a bit too rough on some edges. Now that you've already created a topic to share your constructive criticism, here are some aspects from the demo that I feel need to improve:

- I also felt the aiming was a bit off, the character is kinda slow to ready the weapon on button press and back dodge was not very responsive, I mean, there's either a great delay between pressing R1/RB + square/X or a "cool off" time to perform the move again

- walking animation is very weird, looks like she was hopping instead of walking. However, if you move the left stick just slightly, Caroline will walk normally, I felt this should be the normal walking animation, only faster. Also, I don't know if it just wasn't implemented in the demo, but she did not run while holding the correspondent button.

- character modelling is really, really off, I felt like the character model is from an anime game, and her outfit just doesn't fit the scenery and atmosphere at all. The Father model was laughable, specially his face. He looked as if he was made from wax and first time I saw him, I actually thought he was a monster lol.

-the nudity at the beginning was cheap fanservice and completely unecessary

-when the character health is on danger and the inventory is open the controller vibrates along with the heartbeats, this is very annoying and distracting. I really think there should be an option to disable that.

-also I noticed a technical goof on the valve pressure puzzle: on the piece of paper stuck to the generator and the pressure gauge, it should read "kg/cm²" (mass per area, or pressure) instead of "kg/cm", which doesn't make any sense in this context.

Thanks, I don't know why there are people attacking others on here for pointing out that the nudity didn't feel right in the game. There are different ways of featuring nudity in many formats and it's as easy to feature nudity in an artistic way or showing it as a necessary part of a narrative, as it is to show it in a sexualised way.

I also agree with you that the female character's outfit was pretty odd but it didn't bother me that much.

I have played numerous fixed camera angle games and I'm used to this causing issues with combat but I just found that there were more issues than expected in this game - the weapon aiming and firing just felt sluggish to me.

I really like this game otherwise and I'm looking forward to playing the full title.
yayokay Aug 18, 2021 @ 7:17am 
Originally posted by brown.laura83:
Originally posted by Sundae Soup:

Sure.
Showing breasts is nothing what should be wrong. It's a normal part of a woman's body.

Yes, totally agree. But how you FEATURE that nudity in any format is important. It's the difference between objectifying women or empowering them.

It's called the Male Gaze. Some useful reading:

https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-does-the-male-gaze-mean-and-what-about-a-female-gaze-52486

The whole article is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Especially the "what if man would be posing like women". A man has other 'sexual dimorphism' as a woman. So the way the secondary sex characteristic are shown are complety different. AND the male body is more 'sexualized' then the one of a woman, especially in video games or movies.

https://mar.prod.image.rndtech.de/var/storage/images/haz/nachrichten/medien/fernsehen/comeback-fuer-rambo-fox-kuendigt-neue-tv-serie-an/324036279-2-ger-DE/Rambo-kehrt-zurueck-als-TV-Serie_big_teaser_article_webp.jpg
klimat13 Aug 18, 2021 @ 7:35am 
Originally posted by brown.laura83:
It's called the Male Gaze. Some useful reading:

https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-does-the-male-gaze-mean-and-what-about-a-female-gaze-52486
Take this SJW garbage and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. This is Steam, not Twitter.
Musou Aug 18, 2021 @ 7:43am 
I'm blocking Laura now, people who believe in this puritanic anti men SJW nonsense are not worth my time.
CoolINaturrBoy Aug 18, 2021 @ 10:55am 
Im pretty bet those anti-nudity people are fan of ''Gore ok. nudity bad'' thing and dont know the difference between Nudity vs P$$N
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Morton Koopa Jr. Aug 18, 2021 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by brown.laura83:
Originally posted by Sundae Soup:

Sure.
Showing breasts is nothing what should be wrong. It's a normal part of a woman's body.

Yes, totally agree. But how you FEATURE that nudity in any format is important. It's the difference between objectifying women or empowering them.

It's called the Male Gaze. Some useful reading:

https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-does-the-male-gaze-mean-and-what-about-a-female-gaze-52486

Explaining the male gaze and the incomparable female gaze doesn't mean that the way nudity is featured here is objectification.

You haven't at all demonstrated that at is. In fact, your original post in this thread doesn't even acknowledge that the male gaze exists. You just dismissed nudity, period, so it's very disingenuous for you to circle around now and act as though that the manner of FEATURING nudity is important when in reality, you didn't want the nudity there at all.

So, I'd recommend if you're genuinely interested in exploring these topics, and making these arguments, actually delve into them a bit further. And start by not using this hack article. It does link to a few primary sources so you can begin with those.

Originally posted by brown.laura83:
Thanks, I don't know why there are people attacking others on here for pointing out that the nudity didn't feel right in the game.

I don't know why you made a thread ending with a preemptive attack against other people by making the presumption that support of nudity in the way equates to "excitable fanboys" as you put it. But presumably, you were looking to attack people, otherwise, you wouldn't have ended your post like that.
Peregrine Aug 18, 2021 @ 6:15pm 
All I know is the tone would be much different with some of the people ITT if the protagonist was a male and the camera focused on his big floppy dong as he got out of the tub the same way the camera angle lingers on Caroline's chest.

No one's saying you can't have nudity in a video game, but it's pretty unnecessary how long that shot of Caroline in the tub goes on for.
Last edited by Peregrine; Aug 18, 2021 @ 8:35pm
Musou Aug 18, 2021 @ 10:05pm 
Because a girl that was just experimented on and pulls a tube out of her throat not even knowing wtf happened should 1st and foremost worry to not be naked for too long.
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