Modern control players are the same as cheaters

[Behind You]

You won't change my mind, modern control players in RANKED are the same thing as cheating.

[Peddie]

Hey at least it means they're still free to play modern at locals, or even all the way to Capcom Pro Tour. Looking forward to see an unranked modern player make it all the way to top 8 (or 6) at a major only to sheepishly admit in interviews they're unranked so they wouldn't disappoint Allgainsgaming on Twitch dot tee vee.

[processor.dev1l]

Originally posted by Peddie:

Hey at least it means they're still free to play modern at locals, or even all the way to Capcom Pro Tour. Looking forward to see an unranked modern player make it all the way to top 8 (or 6) at a major only to sheepishly admit in interviews they're unranked so they wouldn't disappoint Allgainsgaming on Twitch dot tee vee.

Come on, dude got 7 views on his Yakuza 0 gameplay, I am pretty sure all his 153 followers will raid Capcom and force the Modern controls to disappear forever.

[Tsaalyo]

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

Originally posted by Peddie:

Hey at least it means they're still free to play modern at locals, or even all the way to Capcom Pro Tour. Looking forward to see an unranked modern player make it all the way to top 8 (or 6) at a major only to sheepishly admit in interviews they're unranked so they wouldn't disappoint Allgainsgaming on Twitch dot tee vee.

Come on, dude got 7 views on his Yakuza 0 gameplay, I am pretty sure all his 153 followers will raid Capcom and force the Modern controls to disappear forever.

I'm sure his gameplay is just sitting silently with the occasional uninspired commentary or mumbling rage explosion, and then wonders why he's not making 7 figures like "all the e-girls".

[Agoraphobic Meep]

Agreed, we should all be hardlocked onto modern controls that way everyone can cheat. Fair and balanced, like all things should be.

[Peddie]

I like your atypical approach to fixing a practical problem. True out of the box thinking.

[Samvega]

Originally posted by Zahramar:

Modern controls exist FOR BAD PLAYERS

The proof that this is the case would be you rocketing up to Master rank by using them.

[Lysamus]

Originally posted by Zahramar:

Modern controls exist FOR BAD PLAYERS

To any newer players who might have wandered into this thread, perhaps wondering which control scheme they should pick, I have a message for you around concepts like the one quoted.

There's no wrong way to play a fighting game. If the game allows you to play a specific control scheme, character or gameplan, then it's allowed. If that control scheme, character or game plan result in you winning your match, you are a better player than your opponent.

Let nothing but the game dictate to you what is and isn't acceptable. Do whatever you find most fun.

[Gleap]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Originally posted by Zahramar:

Modern controls exist FOR BAD PLAYERS

To any newer players who might have wandered into this thread, perhaps wondering which control scheme they should pick, I have a message for you around concepts like the one quoted.

There's no wrong way to play a fighting game. If the game allows you to play a specific control scheme, character or gameplan, then it's allowed. If that control scheme, character or game plan result in you winning your match, you are a better player than your opponent.

Let nothing but the game dictate to you what is and isn't acceptable. Do whatever you find most fun.

I'm with this guy. Newbies are great and I hope you guys have fun with any control scheme on any character. If there's anything we can do to make the game more welcoming, and I'm sure there is please just let us know and we'll advocate ineffectually for it.

[cdrw2400]

Originally posted by Zahramar:

Modern controls exist FOR BAD PLAYERS so it's funny people talk about others being bad while defending them and secretly using them for their trivial no-skill no-life grind "Ranks".

I stomp and tbag 99% of them btw, so don't tell me I am "mad". I lose plenty to legit honest Classic and anger was never the ruling emotion for me. Just a learning experience.

Still stuck in plat?

[rocker77889]

Originally posted by Zahramar:

"Supposedly" when there is a concrete recorded evidence is a sad joke.

Mad because giving quality feedback to improve the quality of the game? LOL.

No dear, the people seething and crying are the ones resorting to insulting me over my video game opinion and getting all emotional. Ranks should be separated end of.

If you're going to talk about giving 'feedback', you should actually talk to Capcom directly instead of yelling the same thing in Steam discussions. I honestly doubt the devs are paying attention to every thread. Even then, there's no guarantee they'll listen to you, but it's more productive talking to them than flagrantly insulting every Modern Control player.

Speaking of insulting, it's okay to have an opinion. That said, an opinion alone is not justification enough to insult other people by tearing them down and calling them cheaters when they're simply using something allowed by the devs. If the creators of this game and the ones who dictate the rules says that this is allowed, this is not cheating. Your 'video game opinion' cannot change that fundamental fact. Are the devs perfect? No, but none of us are either.

Finally, the chances of separating Modern from Classic in ranked is pretty low, IMO. If we go by the logical assumption that Capcom wants to keep things consistent with the pro tournaments, this likely won't happen as long as tournaments allow Modern to be used. Also, Modern was designed to be as viable as Classic, so... yeah. Not likely.

[ShinjiTao]

I cant tell how much of an influence modern control has on your way up in ranked mode, but it's a fact that it makes some things easier. If you only have to press one button for an "anti-air", for which in some cases you only have a fraction of a second, then that is already an advantage. With "Classic Control", you run the risk of not making the input in time, precisely BECAUSE you don't always have the time. That very little bit more of time you need to do the input for your moves compared to MC can indeed make the difference. I've seen it all in BattleHub already.

I don't want to get too involved in the discussion about how the control scheme affects ranked games, but even as a proponent of ModernControl, it should be honestly recognised that it does have its benefits, as my AntiAir example shows.

And it is simply a fact that if both players use different control schemes, they are not playing under the same conditions. To what extent that makes a difference is another story.

[processor.dev1l]

Speaking of AA. Weirdly enough it's easier to input eg DP in 3rd strike. Problem is that if the opponent expects it, he will air-parry it and beat you up.

[Gleap]

Originally posted by ShinjiTao:

I cant tell how much of an influence modern control has on your way up in ranked mode, but it's a fact that it makes some things easier. If you only have to press one button for an "anti-air", for which in some cases you only have a fraction of a second, then that is already an advantage. With "Classic Control", you run the risk of not making the input in time, precisely BECAUSE you don't always have the time. That very little bit more of time you need to do the input for your moves compared to MC can indeed make the difference. I've seen it all in BattleHub already.

I don't want to get too involved in the discussion about how the control scheme affects ranked games, but even as a proponent of ModernControl, it should be honestly recognised that it does have its benefits, as my AntiAir example shows.

And it is simply a fact that if both players use different control schemes, they are not playing under the same conditions. To what extent that makes a difference is another story.

If both players use different characters they aren't playing under the same conditions.

And yeah you can anti air slightly more consistently with modern controls. That's kind of the point of them, increasing consistency for players who have input difficulties.

Conversaly having a one button dp makes them much easier to bait out as the opponent wants to push that button so bad it's comical. Give and take.

Street fighter has had multiple versions of the same characters for almost every version going back a very long time. It's best to think of modern as an iteration on that imo.

XISM or ultra 2 or vtrigger 2 etc all changed how you fought your opponent. Modern does that same thing, it's just more around "don't spam jump ins" and people rage about not being able to bounce at all times.

[Peddie]

Capcom vs. SNK 2 had you picking out of six grooves, in one groove you could block while in the air, the other gave you a dodge roll, and yet another let you spam supers infinitely while on low HP. All of these forced you to approach the same characters on different ways depending on which groove they used, Modern is a lot like that. Even James Chen said so in his latest stream. Are there benefits to Modern? Yes, but there are also just as many, if not more, downsides to it compared to Classic. Which is why I still don't get all the rage about it, I've yet to go against one that felt impossible to beat.

[Samvega]

Originally posted by cdrw2400:

Originally posted by Zahramar:

Modern controls exist FOR BAD PLAYERS so it's funny people talk about others being bad while defending them and secretly using them for their trivial no-skill no-life grind "Ranks".

I stomp and tbag 99% of them btw, so don't tell me I am "mad". I lose plenty to legit honest Classic and anger was never the ruling emotion for me. Just a learning experience.

Still stuck in plat?

I think the issue is more that they're stuck making the same post since game release.

Days since release of SF6: 169.