Modern controls are a joke

[xNikko]

Im new to sf6 coming from tekken 8 and i gotta say these modern controls are super stupid. There's also easy controls in tekken but its not even close to how good they are in this game. In sf6 with modern controls inputs like projectiles and anti airs can be done with 1 damn button and combos do like half hp by spamming.

In the end i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ for scrubs who abuse it in low ranks cause btw im silver (trying to learn this is my first sf ever and started 3 days ago) but honestly whats the downside to modern controls?? The only downside i found is that i cant utilize the whole movelist but that seems TOO SMALL for me compared to bypassing execution and doing 1 button combos.

[Peddie]

You get a 20% damage penalty on your specials and supers. You also lose half of your normals, which means you'll never have access to all possible combo routes and some characters even lose their best buttons in the process. So there definitely is a price to pay for the convenience, which is reflected in the data as once you get to around Platinum most any Classic character is enjoying higher winrates than their Modern counterparts. Also the higher your rank the fewer Modern players you find, which further indicates it just doesn't scale well into higher ranks~

[Lysamus]

If I can propose a mindset that might help:

Modern was designed to be viable alongside Classic controls, which is why its both tournament legal and allowable in ranked. It's not "scrubs who abuse it" but rather players playing SF6 as it is intended to be played.

Why does this matter? You might be eliminating an option from your own play experience based on a personal bias. Perhaps Modern would help you enjoy the game more. If you are committed to Classic however, I'd encourage you to explore why that is. If your reasoning is grounded in your enjoyment of Classic controls, it shouldn't matter what your opponents are doing.

[xNikko]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

If I can propose a mindset that might help:

Modern was designed to be viable alongside Classic controls, which is why its both tournament legal and allowable in ranked. It's not "scrubs who abuse it" but rather players playing SF6 as it is intended to be played.

Why does this matter? You might be eliminating an option from your own play experience based on a personal bias. Perhaps Modern would help you enjoy the game more. If you are committed to Classic however, I'd encourage you to explore why that is. If your reasoning is grounded in your enjoyment of Classic controls, it shouldn't matter what your opponents are doing.

first of all whatever u think about abusing or not, in a second thought its not about that. tbh this system is made for srubs and thats a fact BUT i get it once i become better and can utilize the whole characters kit more i will never lose to these players and it wont ever bother me again, it just hits a nerve that i lose to these ppl.
Again coming from tekken and easy controls there are a pure joke they are a complete waste of time.

*Also just to add, ill never play modern it defeats all the purpose and fun in my opinion

[xNikko]

Preddie and The Main Character u guys are right

Judging only by the fact that ppl are master (as i saw in preddie's link) with modern controls ends this convo. Its made for scrubs and bad players and it defeats the purpose of the game period. Its kinda the same thing they do to tekken right now which is oversimplifying the game for newcomers by making everything a 50/50 sitution and every character has every move with every property. Its not the same but you get it.
So in sf6 case, i think blocking is bad because i wont be able to find a lot of ppl to play with in the low ranks, cause smh queue times are not the best and im EU. Anyway, 1 and done is the best i can do and i will definatelly do it, theres no point playing vs litteraly AI. What can i say when i get anti aired with 1 button vs me doing a clean DP to the opponent,
Yes only scrubs will defend this ♥♥♥♥ and i dont know whats worse, that they defend it or dont admit it???

[Lysamus]

Play in whatever manner brings you joy. Such was my intent in my original message -> To help you find joy in a game that features both Modern and Classic controls. Given however that Modern isn't going anywhere and your block list has a cap. I believe a shift in mindset will serve you better overall.

As for what you can say when you get anti-aired by a Modern opponent, I recommend "good read."

[xNikko]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Play in whatever manner brings you joy. Such was my intent in my original message -> To help you find joy in a game that features both Modern and Classic controls. Given however that Modern isn't going anywhere and your block list has a cap. I believe a shift in mindset will serve you better overall.

As for what you can say when you get anti-aired by a Modern opponent, I recommend "good read."

im a person that has played a lot of compatitive games and in some like rocket league and tekken have achived high ranks and in my opinion the joy is to play the game the intended way. Since SF2 as far as i remember when i was a kid and i was spamming buttons in mame32 arcade disk the game was played with 6 buttons only, rewarding skill and execution since early titles and thats what fighting games are for. Those who cant play fighting games the intended way ruined the genre and companies in order to attrack bad players and casuals over simplify the games and they lose their identity what made them great and special, thats what happened with modern controls as i see and thats what happened with tekken, a 20+ year old franchise

and for your last bs, anything a player does that plays on modern controls, i can at BEST call it a good read. What else do i say, "good dp bro nice execution u get me every time i try to jump" or "awesome combo man, i wish i could do that rn" . yeah pretty cringe to congatulate the AI right??

[xNikko]

Originally posted by The Main Character:

Originally posted by xNikko:

Preddie and The Main Character u guys are right

Judging only by the fact that ppl are master (as i saw in preddie's link) with modern controls ends this convo. Its made for scrubs and bad players and it defeats the purpose of the game period. Its kinda the same thing they do to tekken right now which is oversimplifying the game for newcomers by making everything a 50/50 sitution and every character has every move with every property. Its not the same but you get it.
So in sf6 case, i think blocking is bad because i wont be able to find a lot of ppl to play with in the low ranks, cause smh queue times are not the best and im EU. Anyway, 1 and done is the best i can do and i will definatelly do it, theres no point playing vs litteraly AI. What can i say when i get anti aired with 1 button vs me doing a clean DP to the opponent,
Yes only scrubs will defend this ♥♥♥♥ and i dont know whats worse, that they defend it or dont admit it???

Yep you got it right, it's weird how they shamelessly defend it with misinformation.

The instant button crap is BS and broken. They can even do super 1 button, even in burnout so they don't get punished with your DI for playing poorly - no drawback being burntout in "Modern"!

It's literally boring ass AI, you are right.

May I suggest Fatal Fury? It's amazing. It does have "Stupid Controls" (same as Modern trash), but I only came across one user only, and I have blocked him. I don't think they are as viable as they are in SF6.

Imo it is by far the most fun, hardcore, and complex fighting game recently. It has little standard guessing (on wake-up, if they have strong oki only and you got hard-knockdown) but that's it.

Thanks for the suggestion but i dont think ill try another 2d game right now. As a tekken player i still like 3d movement more, but since tekken devs ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the game completely right now i try to give sf6 a shot and i really liked it, its mostly an exeption, really looking forward for virtual fighter 6 too.
Ill try to cope playing vs modern players and improve my skill at the game and thats it for a while.

[Lysamus]

Luckily, Modern is one of the intended ways to play SF6, as that's how it's coded. I'm not sure why you felt the need to share your history with the franchise. I was also there back in March 1991 and beyond. Your outlook on Modern is not tied to your history, but your mindset, as is mine.

Hopefully your mindset brings you joy. Mine certainly does, as I know I don't need to worry about how my opponent accesses the game. I just need to adapt, and that's entirely within my control.

[lemstryz]

Originally posted by xNikko:

Im new to sf6 coming from tekken 8 and i gotta say these modern controls are super stupid. There's also easy controls in tekken but its not even close to how good they are in this game. In sf6 with modern controls inputs like projectiles and anti airs can be done with 1 damn button and combos do like half hp by spamming.

In the end i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ for scrubs who abuse it in low ranks cause btw im silver (trying to learn this is my first sf ever and started 3 days ago) but honestly whats the downside to modern controls?? The only downside i found is that i cant utilize the whole movelist but that seems TOO SMALL for me compared to bypassing execution and doing 1 button combos.

As a Tekken player who has put in 1.8k hours into tekken 8, I 100% see where you're coming from (especially seeing the you're a lee main). This kind of thing is un-heared of in tekken and special style is so un-viable that no one uses it unless a player is trying to learn the game. Meanwhile in SF6, you see Modern players in tournaments because even with it's down-sides, it's still extremely good especially on certain characters. I see more Modern Zangiefs than actual Classic Zangiefs when playing online.

After playing around 200 hours SF6 as a tekken refugee, it's really hard for me to respect Modern. Tekken used to have balance and skill expression behind an execution barrier like playing a Mishima for example. But for SF6, My MAIN issue is that there is no INPUT BUFFERING. One of the most crucial fundamental in the game (anti air) is a million times easier on Modern. Zero input buffering pressing one button and direction instead doing the classic DP input.

[Revenant]

Originally posted by xNikko:

Im new to sf6 coming from tekken 8 and i gotta say these modern controls are super stupid. There's also easy controls in tekken but its not even close to how good they are in this game. In sf6 with modern controls inputs like projectiles and anti airs can be done with 1 damn button and combos do like half hp by spamming.

In the end i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ for scrubs who abuse it in low ranks cause btw im silver (trying to learn this is my first sf ever and started 3 days ago) but honestly whats the downside to modern controls?? The only downside i found is that i cant utilize the whole movelist but that seems TOO SMALL for me compared to bypassing execution and doing 1 button combos.

Yupppp and wait till you try jumping and in platinum they insta DP you a classic player can't really do until your low - mid diamond atleast reliably. Everything they do..... they wouldn't be able to do on classic unless your like ultra masters or higher.

Originally posted by Peddie:

You get a 20% damage penalty on your specials and supers. You also lose half of your normals, which means you'll never have access to all possible combo routes and some characters even lose their best buttons in the process. So there definitely is a price to pay for the convenience, which is reflected in the data as once you get to around Platinum most any Classic character is enjoying higher winrates than their Modern counterparts. Also the higher your rank the fewer Modern players you find, which further indicates it just doesn't scale well into higher ranks~

Low ranks -20% dmg reduction means nothing if your just hitting your auto combos. That is also false..... platinum players do not have higher winrates than modern players.... its simply that there is WAY more classic players that have stuck with the game instead of modern players which the GAME was intended for.

Originally posted by Lysamus:

If I can propose a mindset that might help:

Modern was designed to be viable alongside Classic controls, which is why its both tournament legal and allowable in ranked. It's not "scrubs who abuse it" but rather players playing SF6 as it is intended to be played.

Why does this matter? You might be eliminating an option from your own play experience based on a personal bias. Perhaps Modern would help you enjoy the game more. If you are committed to Classic however, I'd encourage you to explore why that is. If your reasoning is grounded in your enjoyment of Classic controls, it shouldn't matter what your opponents are doing.

Ok but thats not his point..... we all know its viable stop spewing out the same nonsense dude. Yes CAPCOM put it in the game to make it "viable" but hes still allowed to dislike it to the point he may not purchase a further product. Having 2 different control schemes just makes people unhappy with eachother especially when it compromises the average players competitive integrity. It undermines peoples hours they put into the game on execution ...... and learning the game. Modern wouldn't help him enjoy the game more because....... they value execution......not some move that in combo trials hodling down the AUTO button .... lmaoo cmon. It does matter what your opponent is doing because that player is simply using an easier control scheme.....

are we going to say hitting

RT+A
RT+A
RT+A
RT+A
RT+A
RT+A

is the equivalent of

chunlis stance into level 1/2 ..... lmaooo its not even the same game dude. I actually forget the controls on this.... as i dont main chunli but its nowhere close to the same.

something like ..... cmp, clp, qcf kk -> level 2 - double qcf k -> jmp - J.D + MK - D + MK - D + MK Lvl 1 .....

Lets stop with actual trolling.

People who play modern...... and the future easier controls are going to be the same people complaining that there is nothing to do in the game. Its simply a fact.

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Luckily, Modern is one of the intended ways to play SF6, as that's how it's coded. I'm not sure why you felt the need to share your history with the franchise. I was also there back in March 1991 and beyond. Your outlook on Modern is not tied to your history, but your mindset, as is mine.

Hopefully your mindset brings you joy. Mine certainly does, as I know I don't need to worry about how my opponent accesses the game. I just need to adapt, and that's entirely within my control.

Do you play ranked? I dont wanna ask for your profile but peddie for instance is low plat.... plays most of their matches in the hub..... they dont care about rank..... or having competitive nature to their game which is fine...... but then talks to people who are competitive telling them to not care about things that break competitive integrity even if it is viable in game set by capcom. We know why that move was put in..... it was to make more money.

[Lysamus]

I played ranked and casual. I also will play locally when time and resources allow; about as close as I can get to my play experience growing up pre-internet days. Haven't been playing as much as I'd like lately due to adulting and other interests, but I think the perspective I've built over my decades of engagement is still worth sharing.

If you want to compete in SF6, Modern and Classic controls are both tournament legal options, which means the potential exists for you to run into them in your bracket. If you're not prepared, then that's on you, just as it's on you to learn any particular character match-up.

Thus, the mindset I propose. Like it or not, Modern exists. If it risks ruining your joy in playing SF6, a perspective shift could save that joy for you.

[Arbor]

You all need to accept that this game was made with a broader audience in mind. Is modern trash? Of course it is but so are other aspects of the game such as drive rush and DI. I just stopped playing because I'm not who this game was made for. In fact, from what I've seen the majority of people who play and like Street Fighter 6 are people who never played the older games.

Just let them have fun lol

[EnriKO]

Originally posted by xNikko:

Preddie and The Main Character u guys are right

Judging only by the fact that ppl are master (as i saw in preddie's link) with modern controls ends this convo. Its made for scrubs and bad players and it defeats the purpose of the game period. Its kinda the same thing they do to tekken right now which is oversimplifying the game for newcomers by making everything a 50/50 sitution and every character has every move with every property. Its not the same but you get it.
So in sf6 case, i think blocking is bad because i wont be able to find a lot of ppl to play with in the low ranks, cause smh queue times are not the best and im EU. Anyway, 1 and done is the best i can do and i will definatelly do it, theres no point playing vs litteraly AI. What can i say when i get anti aired with 1 button vs me doing a clean DP to the opponent,
Yes only scrubs will defend this ♥♥♥♥ and i dont know whats worse, that they defend it or dont admit it???

pffft what a circus here. two alt from same owner bashing modern relentlessly.

[Revenant]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

I played ranked and casual. I also will play locally when time and resources allow; about as close as I can get to my play experience growing up pre-internet days. Haven't been playing as much as I'd like lately due to adulting and other interests, but I think the perspective I've built over my decades of engagement is still worth sharing.

If you want to compete in SF6, Modern and Classic controls are both tournament legal options, which means the potential exists for you to run into them in your bracket. If you're not prepared, then that's on you, just as it's on you to learn any particular character match-up.

Thus, the mindset I propose. Like it or not, Modern exists. If it risks ruining your joy in playing SF6, a perspective shift could save that joy for you.

Whether its legal or not is not the problem. Modern controls ruins the competitive integrity for the average user, you still wont interact with that. Someone who plays the video game..... trying to learn the video game.... gets overshadowed by someone having acesss to autocombos they would have to work for otherwise.

[Bumblescrump]

Modern controls are a joke, need to be buffed to be viable. Hopefully season 3.