Modern controls are a joke

[xNikko]

Im new to sf6 coming from tekken 8 and i gotta say these modern controls are super stupid. There's also easy controls in tekken but its not even close to how good they are in this game. In sf6 with modern controls inputs like projectiles and anti airs can be done with 1 damn button and combos do like half hp by spamming.

In the end i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ for scrubs who abuse it in low ranks cause btw im silver (trying to learn this is my first sf ever and started 3 days ago) but honestly whats the downside to modern controls?? The only downside i found is that i cant utilize the whole movelist but that seems TOO SMALL for me compared to bypassing execution and doing 1 button combos.

[Peddie]

You get a 20% damage penalty on your specials and supers. You also lose half of your normals, which means you'll never have access to all possible combo routes and some characters even lose their best buttons in the process. So there definitely is a price to pay for the convenience, which is reflected in the data as once you get to around Platinum most any Classic character is enjoying higher winrates than their Modern counterparts. Also the higher your rank the fewer Modern players you find, which further indicates it just doesn't scale well into higher ranks~

[Lysamus]

If I can propose a mindset that might help:

Modern was designed to be viable alongside Classic controls, which is why its both tournament legal and allowable in ranked. It's not "scrubs who abuse it" but rather players playing SF6 as it is intended to be played.

Why does this matter? You might be eliminating an option from your own play experience based on a personal bias. Perhaps Modern would help you enjoy the game more. If you are committed to Classic however, I'd encourage you to explore why that is. If your reasoning is grounded in your enjoyment of Classic controls, it shouldn't matter what your opponents are doing.

[I should get more fruits]

They are, and it’s funny when people defend it. And it’s always the same two doing it 24/7, when they don’t even play the game and stuck in Gold lmao.

There is no down side, they can do manual input for 100% damage and 20% dmg penalty is a joke anyways, you still die 3-4 touches.
They lose useless normals, far from half. That’s why #1 in ranked is a modern. It’s misinformation.

Everyday we get same topic and same people spread misinformation. It won #3 EWC and #6 EVO. According to win rate dhalsim #1 while Akuma is VERY weak

One and done, block them all. Ez. Never fails!

[xNikko]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

If I can propose a mindset that might help:

Modern was designed to be viable alongside Classic controls, which is why its both tournament legal and allowable in ranked. It's not "scrubs who abuse it" but rather players playing SF6 as it is intended to be played.

Why does this matter? You might be eliminating an option from your own play experience based on a personal bias. Perhaps Modern would help you enjoy the game more. If you are committed to Classic however, I'd encourage you to explore why that is. If your reasoning is grounded in your enjoyment of Classic controls, it shouldn't matter what your opponents are doing.

first of all whatever u think about abusing or not, in a second thought its not about that. tbh this system is made for srubs and thats a fact BUT i get it once i become better and can utilize the whole characters kit more i will never lose to these players and it wont ever bother me again, it just hits a nerve that i lose to these ppl.
Again coming from tekken and easy controls there are a pure joke they are a complete waste of time.

*Also just to add, ill never play modern it defeats all the purpose and fun in my opinion

[Preddie]

Originally posted by Peddie:

You get a 20% damage penalty on your specials and supers. You also lose half of your normals, which means you'll never have access to all possible combo routes and some characters even lose their best buttons in the process. So there definitely is a price to pay for the convenience, which is reflected in the data as once you get to around Platinum most any Classic character is enjoying higher winrates than their Modern counterparts. Also the higher your rank the fewer Modern players you find, which further indicates it just doesn't scale well into higher ranks~

Listen girlie, you know I have nothing but love to you, since we both are very very very same person, both around middle age and we love to do nothing with our time other than discuss sf6 on Steam forums, more than even playing it but... You know you are not being honest.

OP, you can verify easily.
1- Half normals now? No. Easy to verify, here, Mai for example, you can easily see she loses 4 normals (far from half) that are weak and not used in a match: https://wiki.supercombo.gg/w/Street_Fighter_6/Mai

2- Winrates? They mean most Modern players are bad, not that Modern is weak. See character data here, it shows Honda #1, Dhalsim #2, and Akuma is very very weak then? https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/stats/dia

3- 20% damage penalty? No, if they use manual input, it is 100% damage. Also, 80% damage doesn't do much anyways, you still die in 3-4 interactions.

4- How strong/weak is Modern? Check leaderboard ranked OP, #1 is a Modern. When it comes to biggest tourney ever (eSports World Cup), Modern was #3, Modern also was #6 in EVO, when game was only ONE month old.

Let's do better, y'know~

OP. I suggest same as The Main Character. Do not rematch, and block them.

[I should get more fruits]

Originally posted by xNikko:

Originally posted by Lysamus:

If I can propose a mindset that might help:

Modern was designed to be viable alongside Classic controls, which is why its both tournament legal and allowable in ranked. It's not "scrubs who abuse it" but rather players playing SF6 as it is intended to be played.

Why does this matter? You might be eliminating an option from your own play experience based on a personal bias. Perhaps Modern would help you enjoy the game more. If you are committed to Classic however, I'd encourage you to explore why that is. If your reasoning is grounded in your enjoyment of Classic controls, it shouldn't matter what your opponents are doing.

first of all whatever u think about abusing or not, in a second thought its not about that. tbh this system is made for srubs and thats a fact BUT i get it once i become better and can utilize the whole characters kit more i will never lose to these players and it wont ever bother me again, it just hits a nerve that i lose to these ppl.
Again coming from tekken and easy controls there are a pure joke they are a complete waste of time.

No, they are spreading misinformation. Modern is busted. Check leaderboard yourself, even in Legend rank, a lot of Modern. #1 of ALL ranked, is a modern.

In tourneys, like our beautiful Preddie put it:

4- How strong/weak is Modern? Check leaderboard ranked OP, #1 is a Modern. When it comes to biggest tourney ever (eSports World Cup), Modern was #3, Modern also was #6 in EVO, when game was only ONE month old.

It is broken in SF6 sadly, should not be allowed in ranked. But Capcom sold out.

Don't let them gaslight you, it is not your skill or fault. Just don't rematch and block them, trust me, way more fun and fair experience.

Modern take no skill, and no effort. It was designed for newcomers so Capcom get more money, but is abused by players in ranked. This is another misinformation btw.

[xNikko]

Preddie and The Main Character u guys are right

Judging only by the fact that ppl are master (as i saw in preddie's link) with modern controls ends this convo. Its made for scrubs and bad players and it defeats the purpose of the game period. Its kinda the same thing they do to tekken right now which is oversimplifying the game for newcomers by making everything a 50/50 sitution and every character has every move with every property. Its not the same but you get it.
So in sf6 case, i think blocking is bad because i wont be able to find a lot of ppl to play with in the low ranks, cause smh queue times are not the best and im EU. Anyway, 1 and done is the best i can do and i will definatelly do it, theres no point playing vs litteraly AI. What can i say when i get anti aired with 1 button vs me doing a clean DP to the opponent,
Yes only scrubs will defend this ♥♥♥♥ and i dont know whats worse, that they defend it or dont admit it???

[I should get more fruits]

Originally posted by xNikko:

Preddie and The Main Character u guys are right

Judging only by the fact that ppl are master (as i saw in preddie's link) with modern controls ends this convo. Its made for scrubs and bad players and it defeats the purpose of the game period. Its kinda the same thing they do to tekken right now which is oversimplifying the game for newcomers by making everything a 50/50 sitution and every character has every move with every property. Its not the same but you get it.
So in sf6 case, i think blocking is bad because i wont be able to find a lot of ppl to play with in the low ranks, cause smh queue times are not the best and im EU. Anyway, 1 and done is the best i can do and i will definatelly do it, theres no point playing vs litteraly AI. What can i say when i get anti aired with 1 button vs me doing a clean DP to the opponent,
Yes only scrubs will defend this ♥♥♥♥ and i dont know whats worse, that they defend it or dont admit it???

Yep you got it right, it's weird how they shamelessly defend it with misinformation.

The instant button crap is BS and broken. They can even do super 1 button, even in burnout so they don't get punished with your DI for playing poorly - no drawback being burntout in "Modern"!

It's literally boring ass AI, you are right.

May I suggest Fatal Fury? It's amazing. It does have "Stupid Controls" (same as Modern trash), but I only came across one user only, and I have blocked him. I don't think they are as viable as they are in SF6.

Imo it is by far the most fun, hardcore, and complex fighting game recently. It has little standard guessing (on wake-up, if they have strong oki only and you got hard-knockdown) but that's it.

[Lysamus]

Play in whatever manner brings you joy. Such was my intent in my original message -> To help you find joy in a game that features both Modern and Classic controls. Given however that Modern isn't going anywhere and your block list has a cap. I believe a shift in mindset will serve you better overall.

As for what you can say when you get anti-aired by a Modern opponent, I recommend "good read."

[xNikko]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Play in whatever manner brings you joy. Such was my intent in my original message -> To help you find joy in a game that features both Modern and Classic controls. Given however that Modern isn't going anywhere and your block list has a cap. I believe a shift in mindset will serve you better overall.

As for what you can say when you get anti-aired by a Modern opponent, I recommend "good read."

im a person that has played a lot of compatitive games and in some like rocket league and tekken have achived high ranks and in my opinion the joy is to play the game the intended way. Since SF2 as far as i remember when i was a kid and i was spamming buttons in mame32 arcade disk the game was played with 6 buttons only, rewarding skill and execution since early titles and thats what fighting games are for. Those who cant play fighting games the intended way ruined the genre and companies in order to attrack bad players and casuals over simplify the games and they lose their identity what made them great and special, thats what happened with modern controls as i see and thats what happened with tekken, a 20+ year old franchise

and for your last bs, anything a player does that plays on modern controls, i can at BEST call it a good read. What else do i say, "good dp bro nice execution u get me every time i try to jump" or "awesome combo man, i wish i could do that rn" . yeah pretty cringe to congatulate the AI right??

[xNikko]

Originally posted by The Main Character:

Originally posted by xNikko:

Preddie and The Main Character u guys are right

Judging only by the fact that ppl are master (as i saw in preddie's link) with modern controls ends this convo. Its made for scrubs and bad players and it defeats the purpose of the game period. Its kinda the same thing they do to tekken right now which is oversimplifying the game for newcomers by making everything a 50/50 sitution and every character has every move with every property. Its not the same but you get it.
So in sf6 case, i think blocking is bad because i wont be able to find a lot of ppl to play with in the low ranks, cause smh queue times are not the best and im EU. Anyway, 1 and done is the best i can do and i will definatelly do it, theres no point playing vs litteraly AI. What can i say when i get anti aired with 1 button vs me doing a clean DP to the opponent,
Yes only scrubs will defend this ♥♥♥♥ and i dont know whats worse, that they defend it or dont admit it???

Yep you got it right, it's weird how they shamelessly defend it with misinformation.

The instant button crap is BS and broken. They can even do super 1 button, even in burnout so they don't get punished with your DI for playing poorly - no drawback being burntout in "Modern"!

It's literally boring ass AI, you are right.

May I suggest Fatal Fury? It's amazing. It does have "Stupid Controls" (same as Modern trash), but I only came across one user only, and I have blocked him. I don't think they are as viable as they are in SF6.

Imo it is by far the most fun, hardcore, and complex fighting game recently. It has little standard guessing (on wake-up, if they have strong oki only and you got hard-knockdown) but that's it.

Thanks for the suggestion but i dont think ill try another 2d game right now. As a tekken player i still like 3d movement more, but since tekken devs ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the game completely right now i try to give sf6 a shot and i really liked it, its mostly an exeption, really looking forward for virtual fighter 6 too.
Ill try to cope playing vs modern players and improve my skill at the game and thats it for a while.

[Lysamus]

Luckily, Modern is one of the intended ways to play SF6, as that's how it's coded. I'm not sure why you felt the need to share your history with the franchise. I was also there back in March 1991 and beyond. Your outlook on Modern is not tied to your history, but your mindset, as is mine.

Hopefully your mindset brings you joy. Mine certainly does, as I know I don't need to worry about how my opponent accesses the game. I just need to adapt, and that's entirely within my control.

[I should get more fruits]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Luckily, Modern is one of the intended ways to play SF6, as that's how it's coded. I'm not sure why you felt the need to share your history with the franchise. I was also there back in March 1991 and beyond. Your outlook on Modern is not tied to your history, but your mindset, as is mine.

Hopefully your mindset brings you joy. Mine certainly does, as I know I don't need to worry about how my opponent accesses the game. I just need to adapt, and that's entirely within my control.

It was added to sell more copies.

It’s funny how emotionally invested you and your friend are about broken game mechanic, when you don’t even play the game.

SF is a six button fighter you don’t need phd in history bro. Modern is hard rejected by majority of players. It’s annoying to spam otherwise.

Don’t worry OP at least when you get out of Silver you will get more Classic players, then you can block them with comfort. Last M I played against was when Mai arrived because I have blocked them all in Master. Thankfully most players still have integrity.

I wouldn’t fall for adapt gaslighting - they deserve no games and long queue times. Block.

[lemstryz]

Originally posted by xNikko:

Im new to sf6 coming from tekken 8 and i gotta say these modern controls are super stupid. There's also easy controls in tekken but its not even close to how good they are in this game. In sf6 with modern controls inputs like projectiles and anti airs can be done with 1 damn button and combos do like half hp by spamming.

In the end i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ for scrubs who abuse it in low ranks cause btw im silver (trying to learn this is my first sf ever and started 3 days ago) but honestly whats the downside to modern controls?? The only downside i found is that i cant utilize the whole movelist but that seems TOO SMALL for me compared to bypassing execution and doing 1 button combos.

As a Tekken player who has put in 1.8k hours into tekken 8, I 100% see where you're coming from (especially seeing the you're a lee main). This kind of thing is un-heared of in tekken and special style is so un-viable that no one uses it unless a player is trying to learn the game. Meanwhile in SF6, you see Modern players in tournaments because even with it's down-sides, it's still extremely good especially on certain characters. I see more Modern Zangiefs than actual Classic Zangiefs when playing online.

After playing around 200 hours SF6 as a tekken refugee, it's really hard for me to respect Modern. Tekken used to have balance and skill expression behind an execution barrier like playing a Mishima for example. But for SF6, My MAIN issue is that there is no INPUT BUFFERING. One of the most crucial fundamental in the game (anti air) is a million times easier on Modern. Zero input buffering pressing one button and direction instead doing the classic DP input.

[I should get more fruits]

Originally posted by lemstryz:

Originally posted by xNikko:

Im new to sf6 coming from tekken 8 and i gotta say these modern controls are super stupid. There's also easy controls in tekken but its not even close to how good they are in this game. In sf6 with modern controls inputs like projectiles and anti airs can be done with 1 damn button and combos do like half hp by spamming.

In the end i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ for scrubs who abuse it in low ranks cause btw im silver (trying to learn this is my first sf ever and started 3 days ago) but honestly whats the downside to modern controls?? The only downside i found is that i cant utilize the whole movelist but that seems TOO SMALL for me compared to bypassing execution and doing 1 button combos.

As a Tekken player who has put in 1.8k hours into tekken 8, I 100% see where you're coming from (especially seeing the you're a lee main). This kind of thing is un-heared of in tekken and special style is so un-viable that no one uses it unless a player is trying to learn the game. Meanwhile in SF6, you see Modern players in tournaments because even with it's down-sides, it's still extremely good especially on certain characters. I see more Modern Zangiefs than actual Classic Zangiefs when playing online.

After playing around 200 hours SF6 as a tekken refugee, it's really hard for me to respect Modern. Tekken used to have balance and skill expression behind an execution barrier like playing a Mishima for example. But for SF6, My MAIN issue is that there is no INPUT BUFFERING. One of the most crucial fundamental in the game (anti air) is a million times easier on Modern. Zero input buffering pressing one button and direction instead doing the classic DP input.

As SF6 player - it is a total joke forced down our throats, pandering controls for delusional pretenders, and we have to deal with people who don't even play the game spamming forums how it is "okay" and get mad at us when we do not play-pretend like they do. Can you imagine that?

Majority of people absolutely hate it and if given the option, none would voluntarily play against them. Hell, even an M does not want to play against another M.