♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ryu players has no balls !

[Kaer]

all they do is spamming ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hadokens (which recovers to fast) and catch you on shoruken. The most trash is players with modern control on ryu... Hope all you ryu player will be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to the death by giant demon till your internal organs falls off on the ground

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by Kaer:

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

I'm kinda envious of you if your biggest problem is Ryu players spamming fireballs

With all the other ♥♥♥♥ I run into, that sounds like a vacation

other ♥♥♥♥ are just not that annoying. Modern control players in ranking is crazy ♥♥♥♥ too aspecialy on diamond + ranks.

Yeah modern Ryu's zoning is very strong until he runs into Guile, JP, Luke, Dee Jay, Ken's EX fireball, Chun, Cammy, Marisa, wind stocked Lily, Giefs with the slightest amount of patience, Dhalsim, players with actually decent fundamentals, and Blanka

[Gleap]

Honest to god of all of the scrub complaints I didn't see "Ryu Has hadokens that's just so cheap" coming for Sf6 lol

Of the characters with hadokens (2) he is literally the worst one at using hadokens. This is some crazy scrubbery.

Some numbers
Ryus hadoken does 600 damage and takes 47 frames at short range they are between negative 5 and negative 9 so all are punishable.
With denjin 800 damage takes 52 to charge and 42 to shoot 94 total frames for 8% damage lol

Ex denjin does 1000 damage takes 52 frames to charge and 38 to shoot. 90 frames and two bars for 10%. He can get Oki or recharge not both.

Ken can drive rush behind his hadoken so a light hadoken gets ken up to 26% for 2 bars of drive gauge and 47 frames......

His hadokens do the exact same damage as non denjin Ryus so unless you are consistently giving Ryu an extra 60 frames to charge his zoning games just exactly equivalent too lol.

[ShadowSplit]

That's Dee Jay or JP, no Ryu.

[Lysamus]

Zoning strategies are designed to wear down your patience and bait you into opening up in an attempt to force the encounter. The trick to beating them is to have more patience than the zoner.

Walk them down. Use parry and block to close the gap. Force them into the corner, then space yourself in such a way that they can't jump out without eating an anti-air.

Now you have advantage in Neutral given they have no space to retreat, cutting off several options for them. From here, you can either watch them attempt to force the encounter with something unsafe to escape the corner and punish accordingly, or simply begin your offense from advantage.

[Peddie]

Originally posted by Gleap:

Honest to god of all of the scrub complaints I didn't see "Ryu Has hadokens that's just so cheap" coming for Sf6 lol

Funny you say that, over the summer there was a user who kept insisting that because Ryu has access to a fireball and a shoryuken that he's higher tier than all characters that have only one or neither.

[Lysamus]

Originally posted by Peddie:

Funny you say that, over the summer there was a user who kept insisting that because Ryu has access to a fireball and a shoryuken that he's higher tier than all characters that have only one or neither.

It makes sense. New players don't have a game plan and probably don't understand what a game plan is in the first place. They see a character like Ryu, a Shoto who is equipped to have at least 1 answer to every game plan, and think "This guy's got too much going for him."

I think this is a major element to why Shotos are beginner friendly. You can play reactively to your opponent instead of having to proactively come up with an offense.

[X]

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Now you have advantage in Neutral...

Your assuming the zoner has weak nuetral which is traditionally how zoners are balanced, then came JP

[Everchosen]

If you have proven you aren't capable of dealing with the most basic Ryu strategy in the game, you probably shouldn't be calling other players trash.

It's not on them to stop doing it, it's on you to make them stop and whining it about on forums isn't getting you any closer. You don't have to jump in to claim space, and if they keep giving up space they will eventually find themselves in the corner.

The corner sucks in fighting games, it especially sucks in SF6. Something like 90% of the perfects I've had against me, or against other players have occurred from speed running into the corner.

[Aegix Drakan]

You're loosing to hadoken spam? Because you jump into Shoryu range?

Hadokens are shockingly easy to deal with most of the time, especially if they're overused enough to become predictable. And I'm just a Silver player.

Walk forward and parry them. When you're juuuuust within Drive Impact range, bait another hadoken, and Drive Impact through it. Then punish the Ryu, HARD.

Never fails me.

The Ryus I lose to are the ones who use it sparingly and focus instead on core fundamentals.

[Jolly]

It's actually a tactic called "zoning", go search about it.
Learn something, deal with it. Penalize it.
It's actually a very old tactic despite a cheesy one, it's still a proper defensive tactic.

Learn to keep your distances or even just inching forward with blocking and fish some sweeps on them a couple of time, then you see them panicking and running towards you.

If they're those modern newbies you say you're facing, they will probably behave more erratically (throwing less fireball) after those successive sweeps you did.

HFGL.

[Kaer]

Originally posted by Aegix Drakan:

You're loosing to hadoken spam? Because you jump into Shoryu range?

Hadokens are shockingly easy to deal with most of the time, especially if they're overused enough to become predictable. And I'm just a Silver player.

Walk forward and parry them. When you're juuuuust within Drive Impact range, bait another hadoken, and Drive Impact through it. Then punish the Ryu, HARD.

Never fails me.

The Ryus I lose to are the ones who use it sparingly and focus instead on core fundamentals.

try to deal this ♥♥♥♥ on diamond+ they turtuling all the time, and when you get close they just jump over and here we go again. I didn't say I lose to them often. I do not, but this "gameplay" (or like some dumbasses call this 'strategy ') is really getting me mad. I also hate this character dumbest piece of ♥♥♥♥ ever.

[Kwcten]

parry its free meter for you if you perfect parry it or find your projectile immune move

[Lysamus]

Originally posted by X:

Originally posted by Lysamus:

Now you have advantage in Neutral...

Your assuming the zoner has weak nuetral which is traditionally how zoners are balanced, then came JP

Anyone in a corner has disadvantage against anyone who is not. You've lost an entire direction from your mobility options by being unable to retreat.

[Jack Trades]

Originally posted by Kaer:

Originally posted by Jack Trades:

Imagine getting this mad over a strategy that has existed since early 90s.

Consider getting gud.

this is not strategy, this is simple spamming

If they're spamming a move, and it's working, that means that you're spamming a mistake.

[Peddie]

Welcome to the Street Fighter 6 forums, where people regularly complain about things that supposedly bring them regular wins.