Dogura tier list posted

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Dogura a long time japanese pro player and master deejay player posted his tier list

S: LUKE, JURI, KEN, DEEJAY, GUILE
A: JP, CAMMY, BLANKA, CHUN LI, JAMIE, DHALSIM, RYU
B: KIMBERLY, HONDA, LILY, MARISA,
C: MANON, ZANGIEF

points from his stream:
- Characters without reversals are inherently weaker due to how Drive Rush cancels work

- Characters that can't punish throw attempts without super are inherently weaker

- Slow Drive Rush dash will prevent certain characters from ever being strong

- Corner carry is King

[Swansonhart]

How does Dogura justifies putting Dhalsim and Blanka in A tier?

[BACKSTABUUU]

It's cool to see someone put some respect on Jamie, he's a lot better than people thought he was.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Meh, no way manon is that low, once you get to 4-5 stock her throws do silly damage. Hilarious to have her lower than Lily

Top 8 at ceo had 2 manons, just shows ‘pros’ sometimes have crap opinions

The S tier I agree with but it doesn’t take a genius to realise those characters are way too strong

Either everyone should have an ex reversal or remove them entirely. The fact that some have them and some don’t I personally pinpointed as a massive design flaw in the games balance. Characters without, like Lily, are just fodder once pushed into the corner

[Ad Massive]

He seems to be basing it purely off limited criteria and not how hard or easy it is for those characters to get in and apply pressure. Corner carry for example is completely irrelevant to Zangief and Manon's game plan.

Lily's neutrals and her lingering hurtboxes put her at a disadvantage when against opponents that know how to punish. Ryu's strongest pokes are either uncancellable or aren't true block strings, but I don't mind his position at the back of a tier.

Manon however can gain medals from anti airs and has strong neutral options, Zangief applies pressure just by existing cus he only needs to hit you three times. Kimberly's position seems especially weird because of her mix ups and neutral skipping tools, but I suppose her corner carry potential is limited to a point.

He's right about Zangief and Manon having weak wake up tools versus opponents that know the match up though. If you have meaty set ups they're gonna struggle.

I think he's on crack with Marissa though... insane corner carry, + with armour on her pressure tools and most of them link into hard combos.

[Sandy]

Cammy is in S tier. She's one of the best characters in the game.

Manon and Kimberly are A.
Ryu and Chun Li are B.

Mid tier list.