RIFLE GRENADES

[PoorOldSpike]

Their range of 20 hexes is pretty good (minimum range is 2 hexes)-
[img]https://i.ibb.co/RpGr95C/RIF-GREN-RANGE.jpg[/img]

Their hit chance at shortish range is not bad-
[img]https://i.ibb.co/Fx84T5N/RIF-GREN-Hit-chance.jpg[/img]

But whether they'll penetrate tanks remains to be seen-
(I've shopped their trajectory arc)-
[img]https://i.ibb.co/JHTjn22/RIF-GREN-v-Pz-IV.jpg[/img]

But penetrating light armour is a piece o' cake-
[img]https://i.ibb.co/fMqHnjL/RIF-GREN-v-HALFT.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/d0zkyCZ/RIF-GRENS.jpg[/img]

PS- In Troop, not all units have them, US infantry and Replacement infantry platoons have at least one squad member with them in an unlimited supply.
I'm not sure what type of warhead they had, and whether they had impact fuses.

[Tom]

Rifle grenades also good for attacking infantry in buildings, emplacements, trenches.

[PoorOldSpike]

At last I killed a tank with a Rifle-grenade, this Pz IV gets it with a shot into its rear..:)-
[img]https://i.ibb.co/bNt9Hsf/RIFGREN-v-PZIV-rear.jpg[/img]

Mind you, most hits had no effect on other tanks as these screenshots below show, but notice two lost an unbuttoned crewman in the shrapnel blasts..:)
[img]https://i.ibb.co/Ydygj2b/RFGRENS1.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.ibb.co/KNCwWbV/RIFGRENS2.jpg[/img]

[CellNav]

How do you distinguish between a rifle grenade group and one that is not when deploying?

[PoorOldSpike]

Originally posted by CellNav:

How do you distinguish between a rifle grenade group and one that is not when deploying?

We can't, we have to wait til game begins.

[CellNav]

Originally posted by PoorOldSpike:

Originally posted by CellNav:

How do you distinguish between a rifle grenade group and one that is not when deploying?

We can't, we have to wait til game begins.

I consider that a problem. I mentioned to Tom in another thread to add a letter [R] to the icon, just like the

and [T].

Rifle Grenades might also be a problem for Over Watch. If we set the % to low (i.e 30%), the grenade will launch at closed-top vehicles at ~14 hexes .... :( .... thereby revealing the unit.

Originally posted by PoorOldSpike:

At last I killed a tank with a Rifle-grenade, this Pz IV gets it with a shot into its rear..:)-
[img]https://i.ibb.co/bNt9Hsf/RIFGREN-v-PZIV-rear.jpg[/img]

It's behaving like a poor mans PIAT .... really?

[Cona1l]

Originally posted by CellNav:

It's behaving like a poor mans PIAT .... really?

Yep, really. It should. The US M9-A1 rifle grenade was a shaped charge and could - in theory - penetrate up to 50mm (2”) of Rolled Homogeneous Armour.

“The M9-A1 was the standard high explosive anti tank rifle grenade which was made from sheet metal and consisted of a shaped charge with a base detonating fuse and it could penetrate over 2" of armour. It was very successful against various targets.”

https://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/us-rifle-grenade-at-m9-a1-inert-replica.html#:~:text=The%20M9-A1%20was%20the,very%20successful%20against%20various%20targets.

[Paul59]

Originally posted by CellNav:

Rifle Grenades might also be a problem for Over Watch. If we set the % to low (i.e 30%), the grenade will launch at closed-top vehicles at ~14 hexes .... :( .... thereby revealing the unit.

I assume you are talking about the AI revealing it's position? The player has the final choice on whether to fire or not, so it doesn't matter what the setting is.

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Paul59:

I assume you are talking about the AI revealing it's position? The player has the final choice on whether to fire or not, so it doesn't matter what the setting is.

Yes, the AI and it does matter. Sure we have the final choice, but does the AI?

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Cona1l:

Yep, really. It should. The US M9-A1 rifle grenade was a shaped charge and could - in theory - penetrate up to 50mm (2”) of Rolled Homogeneous Armour.

I was thinking more like the M17 Rifle Grenade, not a HEAT round.

[Paul59]

Originally posted by CellNav:

Originally posted by Paul59:

I assume you are talking about the AI revealing it's position? The player has the final choice on whether to fire or not, so it doesn't matter what the setting is.

Yes, the AI and it does matter. Sure we have the final choice, but does the AI?

Okay, at first I thought you were talking about the player. In which case I agree, but it's probably not the only situation where the AI would be revealing it's position by using overwatch for no good reason. What about small AT guns firing at heavily armoured tanks from the front?

It's also worth considering whether the overwatch sliders affect the AI's overwatch settings, or only the players. My understanding is that they do not affect the AI.

[thyge]

Originally posted by Paul59:

Originally posted by CellNav:

Yes, the AI and it does matter. Sure we have the final choice, but does the AI?

Okay, at first I thought you were talking about the player. In which case I agree, but it's probably not the only situation where the AI would be revealing it's position by using overwatch for no good reason. What about small AT guns firing at heavily armoured tanks from the front?

It's also worth considering whether the overwatch sliders affect the AI's overwatch settings, or only the players. My understanding is that they do not affect the AI.

I am pretty sure tom said it does not, the AI has its own OW cryteria

[Paul59]

Originally posted by thyge:

Originally posted by Paul59:

Okay, at first I thought you were talking about the player. In which case I agree, but it's probably not the only situation where the AI would be revealing it's position by using overwatch for no good reason. What about small AT guns firing at heavily armoured tanks from the front?

It's also worth considering whether the overwatch sliders affect the AI's overwatch settings, or only the players. My understanding is that they do not affect the AI.

I am pretty sure tom said it does not, the AI has its own OW cryteria

Yes, that is what the manual suggests.

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Paul59:

Originally posted by thyge:

I am pretty sure tom said it does not, the AI has its own OW cryteria

Yes, that is what the manual suggests.

I'm afraid I'm not seeing that. Set it to 10% and then 70% (the extremes), it might prove otherwise. If they have their own criteria, can the OW setting override that behavior?

Originally posted by Paul59:

What about small AT guns firing at heavily armoured tanks from the front?

Small AT guns can aim at tracks, or have a chance to hit the track. Rifle Grenades cannot aim, so if they are always attacking under the condition to "bet" on the outcome of hitting the tracks. That is questionable for me.

I'm mainly concerned that we have a 6-Man "AT" team running around taking shots at armored vehicles it cannot damage instead of using the firepower of 6-men towards an INF target (when given the choice).

[Cona1l]

Originally posted by CellNav:

I was thinking more like the M17 Rifle Grenade, not a HEAT round.

Only ~300,000 M17s were produced and they were relatively quickly superseded by either the M9 or the cup adapter for ordinary grenades.

~26 million M9 rifle grenades were manufactured and were much more commonly used.

[Paul59]

My best shot yet with a Rifle Grenade:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/KfQFkef.jpeg[/img]

Knocked out a Pz IVJ, first shot, 70% hit chance from 9 hexes!