@DEVELOPERS - BUG - BURGAGE PLOTS NOT ALWAYS UPGRADABLE - GAMEBREAKING

[NeoGeo]

Attempted to post on Discord, but it's also so overwhelmed, no more posts are allowed in the bugs section, so posting here, though it may not get noticed. Even so, "I'm doing my part!"quoting Starship Troopers, 1997.

The level up requirements for burgages are broken and inconsistent. For example, 1 burgage built next to another burgage on the same road and within the same distance of the market will show an ample supply of amenities and market surplus, but another burgage will not.

This occurs even on burgages built one road behind another burgage, or a burgage built directly next to the market, even when market stalls have 6 different varieties of food, or clothing or wood and charcoal to burn. . . . at the actual vendor, not in the granary or storages.

This issue is also persistent in another play through as well, in fact the one mentioned earlier where building the Manor and walls makes only the manor selectable and nothing else. On this playthrough, Burgages built next to vendor stalls do not recognize supplies, and thus cannot be upgraded which causes the game to essentially come to a standstill without further upgrades.

[thundercactus]

I ran into the same "issue" where burgages right next to market only had 1 food vendor fulfilled, but there were 3 food vendors in the market. I don't think it's actually a bug though. For me at least it was due to a lack of supply. 2 food vendors should meet the demand, but not when they sell out of food before every home can pick up supplies.
If you go to market and one of two food vendors is always out of food, then as far as you're concerned there's only one vendor.

I rectified this in game by simply adding more labour to food producers, as well as expanding food production.
Keep in mind, a single family on a gathering hut has only 3 people to gather, deliver, AND sell berries at the market. Having two families gives you an extra 3 people for logistics and sales.

[Cassian]

Yeah this is annoying

[NeoGeo]

Originally posted by thundercactus:

I ran into the same "issue" where burgages right next to market only had 1 food vendor fulfilled, but there were 3 food vendors in the market. I don't think it's actually a bug though. For me at least it was due to a lack of supply. 2 food vendors should meet the demand, but not when they sell out of food before every home can pick up supplies.
If you go to market and one of two food vendors is always out of food, then as far as you're concerned there's only one vendor.

I rectified this in game by simply adding more labour to food producers, as well as expanding food production.
Keep in mind, a single family on a gathering hut has only 3 people to gather, deliver, AND sell berries at the market. Having two families gives you an extra 3 people for logistics and sales.

Hmmm. That sounds like a bug alone, because if there are 3 food vendors but only 1 is fulfilled, there is definitely an issue. On that note, there is no option to choose which foods should be placed or considered priority, or let alone, how the vendor should respond to demand.

It all seems up in the air and quite random at the moment. ML is a great game, and will most likely be one of the greatest, but it's missing some very core basic parameters. And anyone who is criticizing it or speaking honestly about it is getting roasted.

But back to the primary issue, I've even tried making 3 separate granaries and assigned three separate families. But once again, it's all hit or miss. Despite the hype, or early access title, it's not much different from the demo. I don't blame the developer for caving into the pressure of selling 2 million copies for $40 a piece, which honestly could have sold for $70 if finished, $120 special edition. Developers should get paid, or at least reap some rewards, especially after 7 years, but there are way too many basic things that require fixing, that haven't been fixed to date.

[Mintiper]

i think that is a game mechanic. if the food is in the storage, and on the way to the market, someone that want to buy food, cant do it. thats why you should have more food storages with people inside, and not the food producers, as i did that, this kind of problem was over, until i had too much people for the amount of food :D...

[lodewijk [NL}]

im not sure its bugged, these 2 markets https://imgur.com/a/fibaQNl

are supplying a town of 52 lvl 1 plots, 12 lvl 2 plots, and 4 lvl 3 plots.

i am able to upgrade every single lvl 1 and lvl 2 plot, https://imgur.com/a/r0xY5nX no matter how far away they are.

but then again, i have 2.4K food. 800 fire wood. 80 clothes and 40 shoes in surplus.

[NeoGeo]

Originally posted by Mintiper:

i think that is a game mechanic. if the food is in the storage, and on the way to the market, someone that want to buy food, cant do it. thats why you should have more food storages with people inside, and not the food producers, as i did that, this kind of problem was over, until i had too much people for the amount of food :D...

That is one scenario tried. 1 stall, 1 granary. Even so, say there are 100 meat, 2 carrots and 5 berries in the granary. The food vendor will only stock 30 meat, nothing else and stand there peddling like an incoherent fool, which goes against the variety factor required for upgrading.

Also, it was mentioned that the food is NOT in storage/granary, but in fact at or in the vendor stall, where it is required to be considered a factor. Thus, the house next door not recognizing the same thing as the one next to it, is most definitely a bug.

That's like saying, an alien space ship lands in front of your house, but your neighbor doesn't see it, yet calls you crazy. Really? :)

[NeoGeo]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

im not sure its bugged, these 2 markets https://imgur.com/a/fibaQNl

are supplying a town of 52 lvl 1 plots, 12 lvl 2 plots, and 4 lvl 3 plots.

i am able to upgrade every single lvl 1 and lvl 2 plot, https://imgur.com/a/r0xY5nX no matter how far away they are.

but then again, i have 2.4K food. 800 fire wood. 80 clothes and 40 shoes in surplus.

Unable to see your links, since errors return saying the site is at full capacity. So, cannot really comment about your comment without seeing how your markets are setup. But thanks anyways.

[lodewijk [NL}]

Originally posted by NeoGeo:

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

im not sure its bugged, these 2 markets https://imgur.com/a/fibaQNl

are supplying a town of 52 lvl 1 plots, 12 lvl 2 plots, and 4 lvl 3 plots.

i am able to upgrade every single lvl 1 and lvl 2 plot, https://imgur.com/a/r0xY5nX no matter how far away they are.

but then again, i have 2.4K food. 800 fire wood. 80 clothes and 40 shoes in surplus.

Unable to see your links, since errors return saying the site is at full capacity. So, cannot really comment about your comment without seeing how your markets are setup. But thanks anyways.

hmm i am able to access the screenshots just fine. are you sure you don't first get directed to the steam website with the usual warning the link is going to an external website.

the way my market is set up is 1 large market with 30 stalls in the center of town. and 1 smaller market right next to it with 5 stalls. obviously also in the center of town.

[NeoGeo]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

Originally posted by NeoGeo:

Unable to see your links, since errors return saying the site is at full capacity. So, cannot really comment about your comment without seeing how your markets are setup. But thanks anyways.

hmm i am able to access the screenshots just fine. are you sure you don't first get directed to the steam website with the usual warning the link is going to an external website.

the way my market is set up is 1 large market with 30 stalls in the center of town. and 1 smaller market right next to it with 5 stalls. obviously also in the center of town.

The links take me directly to the site. Only the site gives me an error saying that there is too much traffic.

But with regard to ML, all my towns or villages are now set up with the market in the middle, after self discovering earlier, how goods are easily more accessible if markets are in the center, at least in ML.

Still, there is trouble having all the houses discover the stall's resources even when satisfactorily met, per the level requirements This is most surely a bug. Sorry, but I cannot be persuaded otherwise after trying numerous scenarios.

[Ronin]

You need to have a lot of food to sustain a lot of markets. This issue of 1 house just being out of the zone gave me nightmares when I used to play Master of Olympus as a kid and just had no grasp of the economics/systems at work. The markets physically draw goods from production facilities (if the production family owns the stall) or from Granary or Storehouse but they automatically disperse them in a first come first serve basis. I have small 3 Stall market areas all over town and have been letting the peasants set up where and when they want to. As long as you have high stocks of food, clothes and firewood, the markets should be able to provide for everyone.

[lodewijk [NL}]

Originally posted by NeoGeo:

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

hmm i am able to access the screenshots just fine. are you sure you don't first get directed to the steam website with the usual warning the link is going to an external website.

the way my market is set up is 1 large market with 30 stalls in the center of town. and 1 smaller market right next to it with 5 stalls. obviously also in the center of town.

The links take me directly to the site. Only the site gives me an error saying that there is too much traffic.

But with regard to ML, all my towns or villages are now set up with the market in the middle, after self discovering earlier, how goods are easily more accessible if markets are in the center, at least in ML.

Still, there is trouble having all the houses discover the stall's resources even when satisfactorily met, per the level requirements This is most surely a bug. Sorry, but I cannot be persuaded otherwise after trying numerous scenarios.

you can go ahead and believe it is a bug then.

for the 2 towns i have now, both with 200 population. i have a central large market with about 25-30 stalls. and once that one is full i build some small markets with only 3-5 stalls. and this is enough for me.

i also have the maximum amount of families assigned to my granaries and storehouses. if they are assigned they can carry more items per trip. and i would say that if i look at all my stalls in my large markets, they are all filled for about 70-90%

check each individual stall in your market, maybe you are simply not supplying it enough if you don't have enough people carrying things. also try assigning and then re assigning families from jobs if they have a market stall next to their icon. force another family to take over the stall that way and see if this fixes your problem.

[Cj]

Originally posted by thundercactus:

I ran into the same "issue" where burgages right next to market only had 1 food vendor fulfilled, but there were 3 food vendors in the market. I don't think it's actually a bug though. For me at least it was due to a lack of supply. 2 food vendors should meet the demand, but not when they sell out of food before every home can pick up supplies.
If you go to market and one of two food vendors is always out of food, then as far as you're concerned there's only one vendor.

I rectified this in game by simply adding more labour to food producers, as well as expanding food production.
Keep in mind, a single family on a gathering hut has only 3 people to gather, deliver, AND sell berries at the market. Having two families gives you an extra 3 people for logistics and sales.

This helped me!!

I randomly had three level 2 burgages go out of food supply, although the market claimed to have the supply, but adding a large field of veg on one of the new burgages gave me enough food for two, however one still goes without enough, so I will simply add more homes growing food (chickens or veg) until it fixes :)

Thanks!

[Salty_Johnson]

When building burgages and marketplaces, try to keep the markets SMALL at 6-8 stalls and spread them out. If you have a plot of 5 burgages right next to each other, place a small market directly across the road from it. Access to the market is limited by distance from the home. Availability of items for sale also depends on how far the market is from the granary or storehouse.

Also keep in mind that it's types of food available. You could have 5 food stalls in the market all selling bread and not a single one selling meat or berries. Balance is the key here.

I've found in my games that building a farm house with 2 workers per 3 fields worked out well. Add in a windmill with 1 worker per 3 fields working wheat and a communal oven with 2 workers (unless you get the bakery tech, at which point you can remove the communal oven and utilize the workers elsewhere) will keep you overstocked on bread.

When it comes to veggies, goats, and chickens... The only balance I've found here, due to lack of important info on the tool tip, is to build your production building and keep building farms until the amount consumed is equal to that being produced. For example - if your tannery is using 20 hides per year, keep building goat farms until you're producing 20 hides between the goats and your hunters (if you take that tech).

On a side note for the dev, please add info on the tool tip to show the production rate over a given time. i.e. 1 hide per month per farm. Giving the players this important piece of information will allow us to be more efficient in our town layouts.

[Eyeless Deceiver]

Originally posted by Cj:

Originally posted by thundercactus:

I ran into the same "issue" where burgages right next to market only had 1 food vendor fulfilled, but there were 3 food vendors in the market. I don't think it's actually a bug though. For me at least it was due to a lack of supply. 2 food vendors should meet the demand, but not when they sell out of food before every home can pick up supplies.
If you go to market and one of two food vendors is always out of food, then as far as you're concerned there's only one vendor.

I rectified this in game by simply adding more labour to food producers, as well as expanding food production.
Keep in mind, a single family on a gathering hut has only 3 people to gather, deliver, AND sell berries at the market. Having two families gives you an extra 3 people for logistics and sales.

This helped me!!

I randomly had three level 2 burgages go out of food supply, although the market claimed to have the supply, but adding a large field of veg on one of the new burgages gave me enough food for two, however one still goes without enough, so I will simply add more homes growing food (chickens or veg) until it fixes :)

Thanks!

For me it was something similar, with the issue not being the food producers themselves as such but the storage. A granary or storehouse with as many workers as you can spare seem to be a good solution. If the food producers spend too much time going back and forth to the market, the burgages furthest from the market seem to arrive too late for the full selection. But if you have four Granary families with a stall they keep their stalls going near continuously, with a full selection as to be found in the granary. Same for the storehouses. Having Granary and Storehouse workers as soon as possible solved most of my supply issues.
Outside of that, for towns that grow large or are spread out due to resources, having a main market and several smaller ones really helps.

[Hejsek]

This is definitely a bug. Some specific houses are not getting supplies even when right to the main market and houses much far away are getting it. Same with firewood and fancy clothes. This just need some work.