[Patch Notes] Manor Lords Experimental Update 0.7.960

[Matt (Hooded Horse)]

Howdy folks,

I come bearing good news!

We're excited to announce the release of a new experimental branch for Manor Lords, version 0.7.960. This experimental update brings significant gameplay changes and numerous improvements.

Important Notice:

Before you switch to the new beta version of the game, it's absolutely crucial that you back up your save files. Failing to do so could result in the potential loss of your progress. The new strings are not localized yet and stability hasn't yet been thoroughly tested. Some balancing changes are still experimental.

To access your saves on PC:

1. Press Win + E
2. Paste %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\ManorLords\Saved\SaveGames into the search bar.

To discuss this build, please join the official Discord server here[discord.gg]. You'll find a channel for discussing the ongoing pre_release branch.

You can read Slavic Magic's full Steam announcement here.

How to Access the Experimental Branch:

1. Open Steam
2. Right-click on Manor Lords in your library
3. Select Properties
4. Navigate to the BETAS tab
5. Enter the password: veryNiceBasket
6. Select "pre_release" from the "Beta participation" dropdown
7. Wait for the game to update (restart Steam if needed)
8. Launch the game

Major Changes:

• The King's Tax (or Annual Royal Tax)
  - This tax is collected annually from all players (main player and AI) and goes to your liege. It's counted per population and therefore should become a counterbalance for players who hoard huge wealth despite having non-optimized economies.
  - [WIP] For now, the player can go in debt without consequence, but in the future, the player will lose the king's favor and eventually, the king's army will show up as enemies for players who refuse to pay.
  
  
• Global/Local Trade Switch for Trading Posts
  - The player can now switch trade to "local only" in the trading post for each type of good if they want to use the trading post to exchange goods between their own regions but ignore the free merchants.
  - For now, 2 trading posts (both regions) are still required to make it work.
  - Employed traders will prioritize travel to the place with the best prices to commence trade, potentially including regions owned by other Lords. For now, I reduced the transport distance from the calculation to make it more predictable for the player where the traders will go (to the place with the best price).
  - Regional wealth is still required for exchanging goods between regions with a trading post since I want to keep the regions as independent economic units which in my view a more realistic simulation of economy.

Gameplay & Balance:

• [Experimental] When consuming food, people will now pick a random food resource instead of eating food in a specific order.
  
• [Experimental] Fertility is no longer drained after crop growth reaches 100% so that always micromanaging early harvest is no longer a preferred strategy. Yield may still increase over 100% growth if max yield is not reached.
  
• [Experimental] When harvesting, the crops are directly added to the field inventory instead of the villager inventory. This was done to ensure that harvesting walk times aren't the main bottleneck for farming, especially for large fields. [Side note: moving harvest season to August is also possible in a future patch if needed]
  
• [Experimental] Prioritized Oxen plowing over transporting resources back to the granary & warehouse to reduce the ox walking back and forth from the plowed field every time a new batch of resources is available for transport.
  
• Plowing shed now adds 2 livestock worker slots.
  
• Lowered the rate of the Baron claiming regions and adjusted it to better reflect the game settings.
  
• Removed the worker camp upgrade - it was meant for colony regions and will be readded when they are properly implemented.
  
• Food-producing residential plots no longer stock up on their produce before they share with the marketplace.
  
• Increased sawpit log storage space to 5.
  
• [Experimental] When establishing a trade route, the merchants will no longer all spawn in the nearest tradepoint. Instead, the game will distribute the merchants to circle between various tradepoints in order to make building trading posts right on the edge of the region less optimal.
  
• Increased warbows ranged attack from 4 to 12.
  
• [Experimental] "Trade logistics" development branch now lowers the cost of new trade routes by 50% instead of clamping it at 25.
  
• [Experimental] Cost of opening new trade routes now scales exponentially with every opened trade route.
  
• [Experimental] Base cost of opening a trade route was increased from 12 to 20 (that is before the good value multiplier).
  
• [Experimental] When market is oversupplied, the player can still export stuff, although for much lower price.
  
• [Experimental] The price multiplier for oversupplied goods is now 0.75x for oversupplied and 0.5x for critically oversupplied.
  
• [Experimental] How fast market is oversupplied no longer depends on the value of goods because it punished having high value trade routes. Now the oversupply rates are equal for all good types.
  
• [Experimental] Better deals development branch reduces the foreign import tariff by 50% instead of removing it completely.
  
• [Experimental] Reduced ale consumption by 75% (around 1/3 per family per month).
  
• [Experimental] Made the building placement steepness limits harsher because the trading posts and churches often looked super janky on very sharp slopes.
  
• Soldiers no longer trigger "unburied bodies" approval factor when corpses are in their proximity.
  
• [Experimental] Hitching post is free again, to reduce chances of players getting stuck with no ox, no hitching post and no ability to order an ox.

Minor Changes:

• Applied the "mindfulness" system that was initially designed for the oxen to the free merchants. This system is used to reduce clumps and traffic jams.
  
• Moved the location of trades further off map to make sure there is some space for all the trade wagons even if the players place the trading post right on the edge of the map.
  
• If a trading post is clogged, traders are allowed to make transactions without entering the shed, as long as they are within the general building bounds.
  
• [Experimental] Changed default AA under DX11 to TAA.
  
• Added a spatialization update call when recruits are sneakily teleported home when rallied to ensure collisions are properly calculated after teleportation.
  
• Added a check for idle villagers to avoid hanging around the graveyard for random conversation since it looked weird.
  
• Made "is close to camera" value update on setting follow mode to make sure the game doesn't optimize animations or sound effects thinking the character is still far from the camera.
  
• Disabled fire damage for people who have water buckets and are actively firefighting + reduced the fire damage amount.
  
• When all resource visualization slots are "filled", villagers will transport to a random one instead of the first one found. This ensures less traffic jams for instance at the churchyard if all graves are "full" already.
  
• Firefighting villagers will now ignore anti-clogging behavior (waiting their turn at narrow pathfinding points).
  
• Added a "mourning period left" UI element in the residential panel to display how many days of mourning are left until the burgage plot can bring in more family members again.
  
• Added mourning icon to the building floater.
  
• Made sure mourning period is properly added to save data.
  
• After continuing the game after a victory the camera should go back to the player's main region instead of levitating over the map edge.
  
• [Experimental] Disabled the ability to quicksave during the game over / victory cinematic.
  
• Disabled the ability to manual save the game after being defeated & added a tooltip explaining why saves are disabled.
  
• Disabled quick save and autosave if game was lost.
  
• When ox gathers a log, it will prioritize immediately bringing it to the sawpit before bringing it to the logging camp unless construction reserve forbids it.
  
• Improved marketplace logistics efficiency and optimization.
  
• Tuned the AI retreat distances in an attempt to reduce how often its archers get into the loop of attack-retreat.
  
• Added the missing trading post building thumbnail.
  
• Minor unit in-town pathfinding updates.
  
• Swapped the old UE4 destructible system for a new, UE5 friendly, chaos based debris system. For now it's just used for chopped firewood cutter logs.
  
• Further tweaks to properly choose the right default AA/upscaler during the first time launch correctly for specific GPUs (e.g., RTX properly defaulting to DLSS).
  
• Added kings tax rate multiplier to the game setup settings.
  
• Due to mismatch in global market supply stock values, old saves (from builds 0.7.954-0.7.956) will have their market supply reset on loading.
  
• [Experimental] Due to changes in how food is consumed, a popup "Food consumed" may no longer appear if a building is selected while a food is being consumed from inventory.
  
• [Experimental] Made the sheep flock a bit more closely together to look more like a herd.
  
• Steepness limits no longer apply when placing rally points.
  
• Players can now rally their militia on fields and pastures.
  
• Trading posts will now display a price range for imports in case they can buy it both from other regions AND from foreign trade sources.
  
• Increased the sheep & lamb collision radius.
  
• Capped the number of workers who supply a single market stall at the same time to 2 to reduce markets getting completely clogged with the new upped market supply frequency.
  
• Further optimized the market supply functions to make late game towns run smoother.
  
• Optimized the function that searches for a friend to do idle tasks with (like conversations).
  
• Optimized the door opening animations.
  
• Increased the precision when checking whether a character is inside a building on fire and should take damage.
  
• Unified the currency icon in the mercenary company panel to make it clearer that you're paying with treasury and not regional wealth.
  
• Added accommodation call after fire is started and turns people homeless so that they can be reaccommodated to other available burgage plots immediately.
  
• Since almost all families have more than 1 family member, I made the "workplace/reassign" buttons aligned vertically instead of horizontally in the family list.
  
• Fixed old fonts being used in the family entry widgets.

Crashfixes:

• Fixed a crash when doing a sequence of livestock import, export and import, because "home" wasn't cleared properly during export and the same animal was reimported.
  
• Fixed a rare crash if a handcart fails to spawn, probably if the trading post was built so that part of it crosses the map edge.
  
• Fixed crash on startup if OpenXr sdk is installed.

Bugfixes:

• Fixed victory status not resetting after starting a new game, leading to a game over screen not appearing if the player lost/won multiple games without turning the game off.
  
• Fixed crop transports not accounting for the farm work area.
  
• Fixed crops dying in the winter instead of actually increasing yield by absorbing nutrients from the snow as it was intended for winter crops.
  
• Fixed oxen sometimes "ghost plowing" a field when they are waiting on their guide.
  
• Fixed plow and ox sometimes misaligning on 12x game speed.
  
• Fixed farm workers not accounting for oxen plowing the farms in some situations, leading to a lot of unnecessary collisions on the field.
  
• Fixed crop rotation unplowing the fields.
  
• Fixed disbanded mercenary group becoming immediately available again after save/load cycle.
  
• Fixed the trading post export transactions not moving regional wealth between the regions correctly if owned by the same lord.
  
• Fixed paused taverns fulfilling the entertainment requirement.
  
• Fixed an attempt for never-ending fires if a fire was triggered after the building was already on fire.
  
• Fixed problem banners not erasing after an entity gets erased (for instance, an animal runs away and leaves a "not enough pasture space" banner).
  
• Fixed "update task" sometimes triggering before a character gets assigned their region.
  
• Fixed livestock sometimes being unaccommodated after order even though there is stable or pasture space due to being transferred to the region twice (once when buying and once when livestock merchant brings it to the building).
  
• Fixed livestock traders trading between on-map regions possibly sometimes paying twice because the ownership changing function was called both on pickup of livestock and on dropoff.
  
• Fixed the game getting stuck on the game summary screen infinitely after winning or losing the game.
  
• Fixed "none" people populating the town after a raid sometimes who just stand around waiting forever and possibly crash the game while reloading.
  
• Fixed the blurry desktop icon.
  
• Fixed the save/load menu header not translating after changing the language.
  
• Fixed dead animals triggering the mourning period in burgage plots, halting growth.
  
• Fixed mourning period halting homeless accommodation.
  
• Fixed migration/growth of family members ignoring the 30-day mourning period sometimes.
  
• Fixed the game getting stuck after you click "continue in sandbox" until any main tab is pressed.
  
• Fixed the front lighting not being visible in the retinue editor if bounced light approximation is turned to low or off.
  
• Fixed floating feedback text spawning during the cinematic mode.
  
• Fixed autosave triggering during the cinematic mode.
  
• Fixed "storage full" triggering for wrong buildings sometimes (for example, sawpit having 1/1 logs).
  
• Fixed attempt for oxen bringing too many logs to the sawpit and crossing the storage limit.
  
• Fixed free merchants sometimes getting stuck if a trading post was built so close to the edge that a portion of it was outside of any region bounds.
  
• Fixed horse wagon rotations getting a bit too wonky on slopes.
  
• Fixed a bug where a unit could no longer move due to being forever stuck in "waiting for pathfinding to finish" if another unit with a lower squadID got completely destroyed.
  
• Fixed the wrong yarn basket carrying animation.
  
• Fixed traders not importing from on-map regions even though the price is better than buying from tradepoints.
  
• Fixed farm workers & farm oxen stealing planks from fields which are getting "fenced up".
  
• Fixed "homeless" problem banner not disappearing after upgrading homeless camp to a worker camp.
  
• Fixed animals not getting removed from stable space / pasture space after death.
  
• Fixed animal corpses not disappearing over time.
  
• Added a dirty fix for families moving into homes but not registering correctly and not displaying in the UI, leading to a "secret" family living in one of the burgage plots. The reason is still unknown and being investigated.

Cosmetics:

• Added a new patron saint banner graphics: St Maurice.
  
• Added a carried dead body visualization.
  
• Made debris piles align to ground slope.
  
• Fixed the throw torch animation ending abruptly.
  
• New upgraded retinue helmet variation: Pointy bascinet.
  
• Fixed the armor clipping through the leg of the upgraded retinue puffy sleeve jupon body variation.
  
• New upgraded retinue body variation: Coat of plates.
  
• New upgraded retinue helmet variation: Hounskull bascinet with a gilded cover.
  
• Increased location precision for animals standing in the stables.
  
• Fixed the praying animation.
  
• Fixed the wrong door orientation for LV2 cottage variation B (with a planked gable).
  
• Adjusted the two-handed weapon default idle pose to have a more natural stance.
  
• New militia helmet variation - banded bascinet with a mail aventail.
  
• Fixed some mail armor variants clipping with helmets on T3 militia units (militia mail will get their own unique variations soon).
  
• Reworked lv2 granary model with proper animated doors.

[raffataffattack]

Thanks for some great patches. I'm getting some major lags spikes though, they last for a few seconds then stops. I'm sure it's just all part of the process though :)

[daztek]

Can we please get black as a colour option in the retinue customisation? Two of the most prominent German colour combinations are not possible for retinue shields/armour - black-yellow and black-white.

[DasMoss]

Do markets recognize burgage plots with extensions now? honestly the largest bug I was hoping to see fixed.

[Henry L Castle]

Honestly, while bug fixing and all that is great, I cant say I am not pissed about the changes to the trading system. Just because some players are very good at finding ways to exploit a mechanic, doesnt mean the rest of us have to get slapped for it...

Trading has become an overly expensive hobby rather than the main way of getting your first town going. Everything military wise, requires a trade route and it is simply TOO EXPENSIVE to open new trade route for every piece of equipment required by your militia... At this point it is cheaper to use mercs and building up your retainers rather than having a militia... Which was the whole point of having a militia rather than "expensive" prof troops back then... The same goes with the price tags on each good. I dont know why this logic is so common among games. Sell at X buy at 2X ... As if there is one supplier that gets to sell at whatever price they want...

Also, every single commodity requires, you guessed it, a trade route... My peasants dont have access to clothes because the dev has decided that each new trade route should be exponentially more expensive... Even when I do manage to open a trade route, I cant afford to buy clothes for them because they are extremely over priced. "So just buy the the resources and craft clothes yourself" You might say but even those are extremely expensive... I cant sustain a town on berries and meat dev...

I seriously hope that the dev will reconsider such drastic changes in the future and I just want to say that if I wanted to have a bad time and be miserable, there are plenty of other games out there. I hoped this one would be different... Currently, I am on the fence regarding buying this game. I did it to support the man behind this and the release version was ok. This though.. This is just pain... Just to remind you, bows were also "too good" on the early game version, got nerfed to the ground and now they are back at being strong... Going in circles isnt achieving anything.

Also, please be careful with votes on discord... What % of the player base actually bothers to join the discord and what % of that votes on things? I really hope it doesnt get to the point where you think you did everything right because "thats what the players voted for" only to realize that out of 100 people playing the game 20 were voting on stuff and out of those 20, 5 wanted Y and 15 wanted Z... On this example, you followed what 15% of the players wanted...GG...

As in every game, the minorities will be vocal about one thing or the other and the rest will either play or not play the game depending on what changes with every patch... What do YOU dev want to see fixed/developed/balanced ? If you play your own game you will have a very good idea on what needs what. Even if not everyone agrees, focus on what you want, dont listen to the vocal minorities and stay focused on your plan.

[Magister Livoniæ]

Invisible Granary bug.

[The_Mask]

Henry L Castle a écrit :

Honestly, while bug fixing and all that is great, I cant say I am not pissed about the changes to the trading system. Just because some players are very good at finding ways to exploit a mechanic, doesnt mean the rest of us have to get slapped for it...

Trading has become an overly expensive hobby rather than the main way of getting your first town going. Everything military wise, requires a trade route and it is simply TOO EXPENSIVE to open new trade route for every piece of equipment required by your militia... At this point it is cheaper to use mercs and building up your retainers rather than having a militia... Which was the whole point of having a militia rather than "expensive" prof troops back then... The same goes with the price tags on each good. I dont know why this logic is so common among games. Sell at X buy at 2X ... As if there is one supplier that gets to sell at whatever price they want...

Also, every single commodity requires, you guessed it, a trade route... My peasants dont have access to clothes because the dev has decided that each new trade route should be exponentially more expensive... Even when I do manage to open a trade route, I cant afford to buy clothes for them because they are extremely over priced. "So just buy the the resources and craft clothes yourself" You might say but even those are extremely expensive... I cant sustain a town on berries and meat dev...

I seriously hope that the dev will reconsider such drastic changes in the future and I just want to say that if I wanted to have a bad time and be miserable, there are plenty of other games out there. I hoped this one would be different... Currently, I am on the fence regarding buying this game. I did it to support the man behind this and the release version was ok. This though.. This is just pain... Just to remind you, bows were also "too good" on the early game version, got nerfed to the ground and now they are back at being strong... Going in circles isnt achieving anything.

Also, please be careful with votes on discord... What % of the player base actually bothers to join the discord and what % of that votes on things? I really hope it doesnt get to the point where you think you did everything right because "thats what the players voted for" only to realize that out of 100 people playing the game 20 were voting on stuff and out of those 20, 5 wanted Y and 15 wanted Z... On this example, you followed what 15% of the players wanted...GG...

As in every game, the minorities will be vocal about one thing or the other and the rest will either play or not play the game depending on what changes with every patch... What do YOU dev want to see fixed/developed/balanced ? If you play your own game you will have a very good idea on what needs what. Even if not everyone agrees, focus on what you want, dont listen to the vocal minorities and stay focused on your plan.

Use the development points

[Classified006]

Setting up trade routes seems broken.. slightly unplayable / useless feature now. Hope it gets fixed now.

[Red]

Trade route change needs to be reversed. 25 being the flat fee actually made it feel worthwhile. Now I need 1000's of gold to open a route

[CatPerson]

I have not opted into/played this experimental beta. Some of it sounds really great. But two things stood out for me in these notes:

[Experimental] "Trade logistics" development branch now lowers the cost of new trade routes by 50% instead of clamping it at 25.

I feel like that's a bit too low for very long run trade route prices. I understand not having it be a single, static 25 price across the board, but 70-75& reduction would make the node still seem more worthwhile, vs. nodes that could be seen as more immediately advantageous, I think.

[Experimental] Cost of opening new trade routes now scales exponentially with every opened trade route.

Please define "exponentially?" That is generally a term used for excessive/unexpected huge growth. I'm seeing posts of mega-cost routes in late game stages of 14k and more. Is that just a consequence/bug of not starting a new game? Or the way it will work? Maybe it would be better to use a less severe price multiplier per route opened?

It just sounds like an over-compensation to me. I mean, yeah, I get it, do a little to try and keep a trade/trade node meta build being the "only" build you need, which I did think was a bit too OP'd, but that seems quite excessively tuned in the other direction. Not everyone is even going to go for the Trade nodes in the first place.

Although, you could also turn Trade Route costs into another option check on new game, such as "severe/normal/sedate" or whatever. That might work as well. So it's more of an extra difficulty economic challenge.

[Red]

I mean it seems to be the only option because you need 3 types of food. Right now that means eggs which are miserly, Vegetables, bread which takes forever to get, meat which is super limited, and berries which are seasonal. You don't trade you don't expand which means no honey or apples. at least when it was a flat 25 I could supplement my food.

[mkstang6]

It seems to me that families move in at a much slower rate. I have a approval rating of 60% with a market with stalls a trading post, granary, Storage, Farm, tannery, oven, wood cutters, logs and plenty of supplies. It is into February of the second year and only one family moved in February, I have 9 homes built. It seems there should have been more families by now. In the previous version I had more families by this time in the game.

[9erRed]

Greetings,

After the download of the Beta patch I did a "verify game file" through steam.
- Saved a copy of my game saves into a different folder.
- After that was completed I started a new game, Granary was there.

From what I'm seeing, having 'ANY" mods may be the culprit to the invisible granary, But it may also be the verify the files that worked for me?

[Shadow of Bessarabia]

Still max 6 militia per map. Not 6 per region - like Matt said.

[mmm...coffee...YUM!]

I can't get the "pre_release" in the drop down menu. I'm certain I've entered the passcode correctly. I see some others have had the same issue. Bummer.

[[AgL] Vitellozzo]

hello,
with the patch i get the 0000000000000000x18c UE4 CRASH , same problem i solved 2 weeks ago with your solution but this time seem not work

now is not "ML.aaMode=fsr" to change into "ML.aaMode=" but "ML.ssMode=taa" ( or something like, i not remember now cause i switched again from beta version to normal and all work but seem is impossible for me try the new patch.

Any solution ? thanks !!