Farming in the Medieval era. (Pigs were important)

[veillordofdarkness]

The agricultural population under feudalism in Northern Europe was typically organized into manors consisting of several hundred or more acres of land presided over by a Lord of the manor, with a Roman Catholic church and priest. Most of the people living on the manor were peasant farmers or serfs who grew crops for themselves, and either labored for the lord and church or paid rent for their land. Barley and wheat were the most important crops in most European regions; oats and rye were also grown, along with a variety of vegetables and fruits. Oxen and horses were used as draft animals. Sheep were raised for wool and pigs were raised for meat.

Now I'm assuming if there isn't any pig farming in the early access there will be in a later update. But it is that hunting solely for meat isn't sufficient to support a large population. That is where pigs other livestock were used for. Yes even sheep were slaughtered for meat. Milk came not just from cows but sheep and goats as well.

Also, fish farming was a thing in France in the 1100s

My purpose for this post is to Hopefully get the developer's attention.

[veillordofdarkness]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by veillordofdarkness:

If it was grown or farmed in medieval Europe then it should be a part of Manor Lords

Since it wasnt, it shouldnt, still some games do it because its so iconic to grow potatos or tomatoes.

And I would have to agree with you 100%. Keep it as authentic as possible. People had protein be it red meat, chicken, eggs, fish, cheese, goat, sheep, rabbit, and meany other forms of meat.

[godofwar889]

Originally posted by A_Rude_Gesture:

Either way, most people (at least commoners) had a diet that was largely vegetarian during the 14th century. Maybe with some dried or salted fish now and then.

This is laughably inaccurate.

[veillordofdarkness]

Originally posted by godofwar889:

Originally posted by A_Rude_Gesture:

Either way, most people (at least commoners) had a diet that was largely vegetarian during the 14th century. Maybe with some dried or salted fish now and then.

This is laughably inaccurate.

That's what I thought too, if you even somewhat know anything about medieval Europe you know that one way or another people were getting meat.

[godofwar889]

Originally posted by veillordofdarkness:

Originally posted by godofwar889:

This is laughably inaccurate.

That's what I thought too, if you even somewhat know anything about medieval Europe you know that one way or another people were getting meat.

Yeah, contrary to what a lot of people think, peasants in middle-to-high Middle ages had a diet based around fish, eggs, and variety of meat. A lot of the grains grown weren't for them. It was trade for the lord and his tithe to his feudal superior. the only meat they readily didn't have access to was Venison and Chicken. Chicken was the actual investment and was a luxury to eat them. Veggies that they did eat were privately grown in subsistence. Grains such as wheat and rye were controlled by miller guilds and town baker.

[veillordofdarkness]

Originally posted by godofwar889:

Originally posted by veillordofdarkness:

That's what I thought too, if you even somewhat know anything about medieval Europe you know that one way or another people were getting meat.

Yeah, contrary to what a lot of people think, peasants in middle-to-high Middle ages had a diet based around fish, eggs, and variety of meat. A lot of the grains grown weren't for them. It was trade for the lord and his tithe to his feudal superior. the only meat they readily didn't have access to was Venison and Chicken. Chicken was the actual investment and was a luxury to eat them.

Which is why getting caught poaching on the Lord's land was a crime often punished pretty severely.

[pete8719]

Can the vegans please stop butting in their insane ideology into my comfy medieval town builder?

Animal protein and fat were always the main sources of nutrition for humans, whenever possible. Yes, people ate a lot of meat during medieval times, unless there was a famine. Which did happen semi-regularly, depending on the region and timeframe. But all things being equal, people ate more meat, and especially fat, than we do today. There was always a percentage of the population that was destitute and had to subsist on gruel and porridge, that also depended on the timeframe and region. Saying that people ate mostly a vegetarian diet for most of our history is laughably inaccurate.

As for pigs, pork was a mainstay of European diets from the time of Rome, probably before that as well. Romes armies marched on lard, as much as on posca. They had like two dozen ways to prepare and serve lard, lol.

[A_Rude_Gesture]

Originally posted by Someguyinhere:

Originally posted by A_Rude_Gesture:

Either way, most people (at least commoners) had a diet that was largely vegetarian during the 14th century. Maybe with some dried or salted fish now and then.

That's just not true. We know it isn't true. Fish, pork, eggs, these were common forms of protein for the average commoner. Please read an up to date book.

I have. I've got a bachelor in history and a masters in historical archaeology (formerly known as medieval archaeology).
I would however be very interested in your sources for the claim you just made.

[A_Rude_Gesture]

Originally posted by godofwar889:

Originally posted by A_Rude_Gesture:

Either way, most people (at least commoners) had a diet that was largely vegetarian during the 14th century. Maybe with some dried or salted fish now and then.

This is laughably inaccurate.

And you base this on...?

[The Former]

Originally posted by Kraftkanzler:

Why should I want to breed Walmart customers in my backyard? Chickens are the better choice and you don´t need to buy them wheelchairs.

I don't follow. Pigs aren't bipedal and you're saying they can use a self-checkout?

[Antw33]

Originally posted by godofwar889:

Originally posted by veillordofdarkness:

That's what I thought too, if you even somewhat know anything about medieval Europe you know that one way or another people were getting meat.

Yeah, contrary to what a lot of people think, peasants in middle-to-high Middle ages had a diet based around fish, eggs, and variety of meat. A lot of the grains grown weren't for them. It was trade for the lord and his tithe to his feudal superior. the only meat they readily didn't have access to was Venison and Chicken. Chicken was the actual investment and was a luxury to eat them. Veggies that they did eat were privately grown in subsistence. Grains such as wheat and rye were controlled by miller guilds and town baker.

Absolutely correct - most peasants were suffering from illness caused by lack of fruit and veg due to the easily accessible meat/game. Even chicken farmers often reported straight to the lords.

Many grew what they could to support their own families and relied on hunting/poaching to fulfil the deficit which was the majority of their food source as fulfilled more needs much more quickly.

I'm not interested in a game where you can grow everything - there are many of those out there. But I'm sure things like fishing and game will become available as they are more realistic.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Someguyinhere:

Originally posted by A_Rude_Gesture:

Either way, most people (at least commoners) had a diet that was largely vegetarian during the 14th century. Maybe with some dried or salted fish now and then.

That's just not true. We know it isn't true. Fish, pork, eggs, these were common forms of protein for the average commoner. Please read an up to date book.

Eggs, sure. Fish, only if you were coastal (or freshwater eel was pretty popular if you lived by a river or lake). Burghers might have gotten quite a bit of pork but the medieval poor, while they did eat meat, took it as a luxury.

Stews, porridge, and bread were the typical fare, and it would've more commonly been snared hares than it would pork. You could catch a hare for your own family, so long as you weren't doing it in the lord's wood, but pork was rather expensive for the common oat farmer.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by OneNineDeepSilence:

Now I've read all that (yes, every single word), but not everyone will. Think about, the dev has a lot to do, he won't be able to decipher what you wanted; so maybe add a single line at top stating you want pigs for meat (in the game of course).

I want bacon irl too

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by Ärlig, Häckriddare:

Originally posted by Someguyinhere:

That's just not true. We know it isn't true. Fish, pork, eggs, these were common forms of protein for the average commoner. Please read an up to date book.

Eggs, sure. Fish, only if you were coastal (or freshwater eel was pretty popular if you lived by a river or lake). Burghers might have gotten quite a bit of pork but the medieval poor, while they did eat meat, took it as a luxury.

Stews, porridge, and bread were the typical fare, and it would've more commonly been snared hares than it would pork. You could catch a hare for your own family, so long as you weren't doing it in the lord's wood, but pork was rather expensive for the common oat farmer.

They kept rabbits and poultry in their courtyards (ducks, geese, quails, chickens, pigeons). Families kept one pig, it was slaughtered late autumn and the meat lasted for the winter. After the black death even mutton and beef became affordable to the peasantry

[[Heretic]Rivga]

Originally posted by veillordofdarkness:

Originally posted by godofwar889:

This is laughably inaccurate.

That's what I thought too, if you even somewhat know anything about medieval Europe you know that one way or another people were getting meat.

The medieval period spanned from 500 to 1500 AD, and Europe is a large place, there is NO ONE accurate description of what people eat as it changed from decade to decade and even from place to place.
There was times and places where Peasants eat almost no meat, meat was expensive and in certain places to go out and hunt animals in the woods was against local laws.

Here in the UK we are lucky enough to have some bioarchaeologist who have accurate information on what was eaten at the time. A article I read said that early medieval period there was very little meat eating, both nobles and commoners, the evidence left in bones did contradict some early text that stated Nobles eat a lot more meat - but the early text could have been describing feasts and not common every day meals.

The study went on to say there was a lot of regional differences, even in a nation as small as England.

[Humble]

I think most got meat from hunting, more or less, rather than farming livestock, livestock is for "landowner" I could be wrong, but back in time most people travel here to there with fishing and hunting rather than livestock, livestock is often for landlord or landowner.