church? ok but please add a synagogue to the game.

[unreal]

Let’s explore synagogues during the Middle Ages, particularly in Europe during the 14th century.

Old Synagogue in Erfurt, Germany:
The Old Synagogue in Erfurt, Germany, is a remarkable example. Portions of this synagogue date back to around 1100, making it one of the oldest synagogue buildings still standing in Europe. However, most of the structure we see today was built in the 13th and 14th centuries. It has been used as a museum of Jewish history since 200912.
Ibn Shoshan Synagogue (Santa María la Blanca) in Toledo, Spain:
By the late Middle Ages, Toledo, Spain, had at least eleven synagogues. Two of these—the Samuel Halevi Abulafia synagogue and the Ibn Shoshan synagogue—stand just a few blocks apart in the old Jewish quarter.
The Ibn Shoshan Synagogue, likely first built around 1180, displays a style inspired by the Islamic architecture that surrounded it. This style, known as Mudéjar, was used by patrons and builders from different religious backgrounds living in parts of Spain formerly governed by Muslims.
Unfortunately, the Ibn Shoshan Synagogue was later converted into a church (renamed Santa María la Blanca) in 1411, and only the architectural remnants remain from its original use as a synagogue3.
El Ghriba Synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia:
Although not in Europe, it’s worth mentioning the El Ghriba Synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia. It is said to have been built in 586 BC or 70 AD, making it the oldest synagogue still standing and in continuous use in the world. However, due to the migration of nearly all of Egypt’s Jews to Israel, it is no longer used as a synagogue but has been preserved as a museum.

Guys, I have a strong argument for you. Manor lords takes place in the lands of Franconia. Franconia was an important cradle of Jewish life in southern Germany, with more than 400 Jewish communities. The Jewish Museum of Franconia offers a fascinating glimpse into nearly 1,000 unbroken years of Jewish history.

[Jolie Rouge]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

Originally posted by Jolie Rouge:

And the modern world is going crazy with replacing and removing things.....

it's not "modern", by the mean what we consider "modern" times. It has always been like that...stuff has always been modernized.

that's exactly why a lot of historic stories, from second sources, are wrong. History gets constantly rewritten to adapt to "modern" times (and it is wrong to do so)... that's why you find medieval stories / paintings with full plate armor warriors because those stories were written during the renaissance when full plate armor was a thing.

I'd rather not have a game, that is supposed to happen at a certain time period, being "modernized" to current standards.... even it may trigger people, like for KCD when the wokies complained that there are no black people in the game.

Yeah, I know such a painting about the destruction of Troy, completely wrong armor.

Sadly, in our "modern times" it's modern to "demand or cancel", that's the crazyness.

[Celgaming]

European setting. Christian. Deal. With. It.

[calabacina]

Originally posted by Jolie Rouge:

Originally posted by Shad1902:

it's not "modern", by the mean what we consider "modern" times. It has always been like that...stuff has always been modernized.

that's exactly why a lot of historic stories, from second sources, are wrong. History gets constantly rewritten to adapt to "modern" times (and it is wrong to do so)... that's why you find medieval stories / paintings with full plate armor warriors because those stories were written during the renaissance when full plate armor was a thing.

I'd rather not have a game, that is supposed to happen at a certain time period, being "modernized" to current standards.... even it may trigger people, like for KCD when the wokies complained that there are no black people in the game.

Yeah, I know such a painting about the destruction of Troy, completely wrong armor.

Sadly, in our "modern times" it's modern to "demand or cancel", that's the crazyness.

it is not modern, humanity has always done it and will always do it by virtue of the fact that the same historical episode reread over the centuries changes in value or interpretation depending on the culture of those who read it. history has never been objective.

humanity has been erasing or changing things since at least writing existed and probably even before even if we have no evidence of it.

[Lucky]

Originally posted by Adonai-Echad:

I played it yesterday. it started raining, lightning struck the church and destroyed it

It would be good if the church was only for cosmetic purposes. So that the popularity does not decrease. For example, I play on the hardest difficulty, it could be there.

Just to be clear, I am not from Israel, I am not descended from Jewish parents. I just don't want to build a Christian church, I don't agree with the Vatican's policy, etc.

Alternatively, if anyone has any advice on how I can edit the texture of the church, in which editor, which file?

Maybe this game just isnt for you then. Stick to alternate reality city builders and move on

[CiviFan62]

Originally posted by Adonai-Echad:

I played it yesterday. it started raining, lightning struck the church and destroyed it

It would be good if the church was only for cosmetic purposes. So that the popularity does not decrease. For example, I play on the hardest difficulty, it could be there.

Just to be clear, I am not from Israel, I am not descended from Jewish parents. I just don't want to build a Christian church, I don't agree with the Vatican's policy, etc.

Alternatively, if anyone has any advice on how I can edit the texture of the church, in which editor, which file?

OK, you'll do it somehow. And if you have a synagogue where will you get kosher food?

[Jolie Rouge]

Originally posted by calabacina:

Originally posted by Jolie Rouge:

Yeah, I know such a painting about the destruction of Troy, completely wrong armor.

Sadly, in our "modern times" it's modern to "demand or cancel", that's the crazyness.

it is not modern, humanity has always done it and will always do it by virtue of the fact that the same historical episode reread over the centuries changes in value or interpretation depending on the culture of those who read it. history has never been objective.

humanity has been erasing or changing things since at least writing existed and probably even before even if we have no evidence of it.

Be that as it may, it just got louder with interwebs, social media, etc.

[El Condoro]

It's always fun reading the anti-woke knights defending the historicity of games. Games! Yep, the sky is certainly about to fall if we call a church a religious building. Thin end of the wedge, isn't it? Next someone will ask that we consider different opinions. Where will it end!

[unreal]

Or leave the building as it is, but give the possibility to put something else on top of it. The building could just have a symbol switch. Crisis, Orthodox crisis, Star of David, Islamic crescent with star, etc.

[Doomed]

Originally posted by Adonai-Echad:

I played it yesterday. it started raining, lightning struck the church and destroyed it

It would be good if the church was only for cosmetic purposes. So that the popularity does not decrease. For example, I play on the hardest difficulty, it could be there.

Just to be clear, I am not from Israel, I am not descended from Jewish parents. I just don't want to build a Christian church, I don't agree with the Vatican's policy, etc.

Alternatively, if anyone has any advice on how I can edit the texture of the church, in which editor, which file?

Dude. If a fake church in a video game bothers you that much then don't play. You have much deeper issues going on in your life and need to talk to someone about it. Seriously.

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

Originally posted by Whysoserious:

Why the F would a town of 2000 people in Germany have a synagogue anyway?

Yes, but then again, we also have every peasants having a house to themselves (family), some houses being so well done only the richest people would be able to afford but here we are.

Historically, 90% of our villagers would live in shacks. I dont agree with OP's suggestion but your question can be said to the current game so I dont think its a good reasoning. Currently the game acts as if every peasant families in the game is rich as hell.

[ArchAngelOsis]

Originally posted by Whysoserious:

It's just a game man... Stop trying to make everything so serious and all-inclusive. It's not gonna happen.

Why the F would a town of 2000 people in Germany have a synagogue anyway?

goldsmithing/diamonds/anything that required maths/usury/etc....i mean thats what my ancestors were doing in Germany before Martin Luther went proto-hitler

[Ewek Emelot]

Originally posted by El Condoro:

It's always fun reading the anti-woke knights defending the historicity of games. Games! Yep, the sky is certainly about to fall if we call a church a religious building. Thin end of the wedge, isn't it? Next someone will ask that we consider different opinions. Where will it end!

The developper tries to make a game with some amount of historical accuracy, even having historic consultants to help with this. The setting of the game is not generic. If you don't want to play a game set in medieval Europe because you are somehow opposed to historic specifics (like that the religion is explicitly catholic), then you should probably rather play something like "Banished", which, if I recall correctly, has no specific historical background.

Wanting for stuff that were major parts of a certain historical period be depicted in a game which has that historic period as it's theme is not anti-woke. It's just about wanting the game to be true to it's theme. And the historic background really is integral to the game. It's even so specific that it can be pinned down to the 15th century Franconia, given the architecture of the buildings and the clothing of the citizens.

Of couese it's just a game, but I personally would be rather disappointed if the game abandonned it's specific setting. (In the same way in which I would not want for the city builder "Paharo" to include temples for generic or fantasy deities rather than the actual Egyptians gods.)

Originally posted by Hobotango:

Originally posted by Whysoserious:

Why the F would a town of 2000 people in Germany have a synagogue anyway?

Yes, but then again, we also have every peasants having a house to themselves (family), some houses being so well done only the richest people would be able to afford but here we are.

Historically, 90% of our villagers would live in shacks. I dont agree with OP's suggestion but your question can be said to the current game so I dont think its a good reasoning. Currently the game acts as if every peasant families in the game is rich as hell.

No, the buildings are quite accurate and a result of the developper working wit historic consultants. Peasants in the 15th century did not live in shacks. Maybe some did, but not the majority and shurely not 90 %.

[ArchAngelOsis]

Originally posted by Adonai-Echad:

Or leave the building as it is, but give the possibility to put something else on top of it. The building could just have a symbol switch. Crisis, Orthodox crisis, Star of David, Islamic crescent with star, etc.

unless they are going to do the whole siege of Vienna or make a choice to depict the slavic ppls (who got owned by the Turks literally) no to Islam sorry....Islam didnt try to integrate into European civilization.....it tried to murder it multiple times starting with Poiters on one end of europe and ending in Vienna on the other.....orthodox also makes no sense if we're in central/western europe....Judaism and Catholism prior to Martin Luther is entirely on point for most of Europe however after which it gets a little spicy a little pogrommy

[Ewek Emelot]

Originally posted by ArchAngelOsis:

Originally posted by Adonai-Echad:

Or leave the building as it is, but give the possibility to put something else on top of it. The building could just have a symbol switch. Crisis, Orthodox crisis, Star of David, Islamic crescent with star, etc.

unless they are going to do the whole siege of Vienna or make a choice to depict the slavic ppls (who got owned by the Turks literally) no to Islam sorry....Islam didnt try to integrate into European civilization.....it tried to murder it multiple times starting with Poiters on one end of europe and ending in Vienna on the other

Islam did not want to do anything. Some muslim leaders wanted to expand their territory, and sometimes also wanted to expand their religion at the same time. That's not too dissimilar from how christian leaders expanded their territories and religion. (For example Charlemagne in the saxon wars or the teutonic order in the baltic region.)

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by El Condoro:

It's always fun reading the anti-woke knights defending the historicity of games. Games! Yep, the sky is certainly about to fall if we call a church a religious building. Thin end of the wedge, isn't it? Next someone will ask that we consider different opinions. Where will it end!

you're probably partg of the tiny minority that wants black people (african americans didn't exist in 1403, so sorry to use the correct term) in KCD, right ?

because "better rewrite history" instead of being "open" like you narrow-minded people claim you are.

If I was the dev, I'd shut down any nonsense-thread like this immediatly :D