Unlocked, cracked and whatever demo versions

[Slavic Magic]

Thank you for respecting my decision to lock the demo for now. I did not put extra measures into 'protecting' it - I thought it will in the end only harm people who enjoy it the way it's been intended.

I want to work in peace. I don't want to worry about outdated builds flying out there, people complaining about bugs that I might have already fixed and anything else. I want to work at my own pace and present you with a new version that I'm happy with, when it's ready.

I will be deleting all the info to how to play outside the locked time-frame/download the demo from non-Steam sources etc. and I appreciate all the people who respect my decision and work as a developer.

[VDmitry]

When the demo was available? Did I miss it?

[VDmitry]

Originally posted by VDmitry:

When the demo was available? Did I miss it?

Oh, no! I didn't know it's limited. Downloaded it and not played yet...

[Judge]

When the Demo was available i took like 5 hours to see every bit it had to offer and to make sure i saw everything. It had such a good atmosphere to it, that i forgot the time around me, i was hooked to every bit. Please continue this beautiful game and give it time :)

[NTLuck]

Originally posted by VDmitry:

Originally posted by VDmitry:

When the demo was available? Did I miss it?

Oh, no! I didn't know it's limited. Downloaded it and not played yet...

Try starting the game from the folder instead of steam if you already downloaded it. It might work for you

[Caduryn]

Originally posted by NTLuck:

Originally posted by VDmitry:

Oh, no! I didn't know it's limited. Downloaded it and not played yet...

Try .....

You are not allowed to share this

[SmokeYaSs]

maybe its just that artificial scarcity game apple, nvidia and co. are playing, too.
in that case sorry, i didnt get it the 1st time.

Yeah sure i got the demo, like it and all that.
But a bit sad somehow.
Why make a good game, and have such a bad marketing strategy?
Its really too long of a story to explain, but i was really glad to see a demo for an actually promising game.
Back in the days demos/freeware/shareware etc. was all over the place.
Remember how DooM etc. were released?
I just cant agree with the whole demo drama. Having it available for only a short period of time, was simply a bad idea.
Its less publicity which equals less money in the bank.
Which means everyone actually buying it, will get a worse experience for their money.
Wether its less content/features, or for certain types of people you seem concerned about, maybe just the longer wait.
Which imo isnt even a relevant factor. There are more games than anyone can play already.
And no, im not complaining because i missed it. I got it right here on my ssd.
But less people can try it, the ones that already have it, keep playing it anyhow.
Which means the whole intention/purpose/whatever failed.
No matter what way you turn it, its a loss loss situation for everyone.
Noone is going to harass you.
Noone can force you to speed up the development process.
You should just get used to not listening to that sort of people.
Its not as if you were forced to hand out your private adress and email, and and couldnt choose to simply ignore such BS.
Look at the ammount of people with positive feedback, and then the negative ones.
If you know whats good for you, and actually want to get paid for all the work you put into this project, you should give people that missed the demo a chance aswell.

Anyways, best of luck
Hope to see more in the future.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by SmokeYaSs:

maybe its just that artificial scarcity game apple, nvidia and co. are playing, too.
in that case sorry, i didnt get it the 1st time.

Yeah sure i got the demo, like it and all that.
But a bit sad somehow.
Why make a good game, and have such a bad marketing strategy?
Its really too long of a story to explain, but i was really glad to see a demo for an actually promising game.
Back in the days demos/freeware/shareware etc. was all over the place.
Remember how DooM etc. were released?
I just cant agree with the whole demo drama. Having it available for only a short period of time, was simply a bad idea.
Its less publicity which equals less money in the bank.
Which means everyone actually buying it, will get a worse experience for their money.
Wether its less content/features, or for certain types of people you seem concerned about, maybe just the longer wait.
Which imo isnt even a relevant factor. There are more games than anyone can play already.
And no, im not complaining because i missed it. I got it right here on my ssd.
But less people can try it, the ones that already have it, keep playing it anyhow.
Which means the whole intention/purpose/whatever failed.
No matter what way you turn it, its a loss loss situation for everyone.
Noone is going to harass you.
Noone can force you to speed up the development process.
You should just get used to not listening to that sort of people.
Its not as if you were forced to hand out your private adress and email, and and couldnt choose to simply ignore such BS.
Look at the ammount of people with positive feedback, and then the negative ones.
If you know whats good for you, and actually want to get paid for all the work you put into this project, you should give people that missed the demo a chance aswell.

Anyways, best of luck
Hope to see more in the future.

Holy crap some of you people are really going full tin-foil hat, and over-thinking this...

Slavic's already explained why... The demo was a REALLY early, as in pre-alpha even, release of Manor Lords, which was very limited in scope, and was merely done as part of Next Fest... It was never intended as a formal, official demo for the game, and he doesn't want people assuming it was by having it available officially...

Consider it nothing more than a very basic teaser, which had a very limited "free week" window -- which is really very common -- and be done with it...

When he's ready, I'm sure he'll release an official demo, or we'll get a proper Early Access release... Until then there's really no point coming up with wild conspiracies, and flawed attempts at logical arguments for why it should be relisted, generally on the basis of how "unfair" it is to take it away from people who missed out -- sorry, but that's life, it happens, and have some patience for those who did miss out...

Time for people to move on... And respect Slavic's wishes...

[VipreRX]

Originally posted by Ruin:

Consider it nothing more than a very basic teaser, which had a very limited "free week" window -- which is really very common -- and be done with it...

Yeah it's akin to a developer having a playable demo of something they're working on at a gaming convention to drum up or gauge hype. Nobody throws a fit at the end of the con about it no longer being available.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by VipreRX:

Originally posted by Ruin:

Consider it nothing more than a very basic teaser, which had a very limited "free week" window -- which is really very common -- and be done with it...

Yeah it's akin to a developer having a playable demo of something they're working on at a gaming convention to drum up or gauge hype. Nobody throws a fit at the end of the con about it no longer being available.

Well, yeah, that's exactly it, and a perfect analogy, really...

[Metalllik]

Originally posted by Slavic Magic:

Thank you for respecting my decision to lock the demo for now. I did not put extra measures into 'protecting' it - I thought it will in the end only harm people who enjoy it the way it's been intended.

I want to work in peace. I don't want to worry about outdated builds flying out there, people complaining about bugs that I might have already fixed and anything else. I want to work at my own pace and present you with a new version that I'm happy with, when it's ready.

I will be deleting all the info to how to play outside the locked time-frame/download the demo from non-Steam sources etc. and I appreciate all the people who respect my decision and work as a developer.

I respect your decision but you could do something about this demo. What about you release it but not for free, put a price, for example 5 or 10 euros and you can add the Save game function. There are so many games in Alpha stage that cost 20-30 euros with many bugs and errors and still people buy them. I am sure lots of people would buy your early acces game for 5 or 10 euros and everybody will be happy.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by Metalllik:

everybody will be happy.

Except Slavic, since he's made really clear why it's not gonna happen, yet people keep asking... People apparently can't, or simply won't, read...

[VipreRX]

Everyone except him because then people would be demanding updates and fixes which is the exact opposite of "working at his own pace".

[Metalllik]

Originally posted by Ruin:

Originally posted by Metalllik:

everybody will be happy.

Except Slavic, since he's made really clear why it's not gonna happen, yet people keep asking... People apparently can't, or simply won't, read...

Making money and making people happy makes everybody happy. And making money can help the developer to finish the game faster and make more money selling the finished game. People read but only the smart ones offer good ideas ;)

[Metalllik]

Originally posted by VipreRX:

Everyone except him because then people would be demanding updates and fixes which is the exact opposite of "working at his own pace".

I bought the game Ostriv 2 years ago which is in Alpha stage since then and no one demands updates and fixes. The developer of Ostriv is working at his own pace too, especially now cause he is ukranian and he is at war, and everyone is happy to pay 20 euros for a game in Alpha stage and the community is very good there. And what i sugested for Manor Lords was a good idea for the developer to make money which help him to develop the game faster and to make people happy. Releasing a demo for 1 week with no save game made people frustrated and another problem is that it will take so much time to finish this game, maybe 1-2 years, period in whichthe developer could make lot of money.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by Metalllik:

Originally posted by Ruin:

Except Slavic, since he's made really clear why it's not gonna happen, yet people keep asking... People apparently can't, or simply won't, read...

Making money and making people happy makes everybody happy. And making money can help the developer to finish the game faster and make more money selling the finished game. People read but only the smart ones offer good ideas ;)

Nagging for a demo, which Slavic has said he does not want widely distributed because it's too early a release is not offering ideas... Charging for it then means he's obliged to offer support, bug fixing, etc on what is basically a pre-Alpha build...

You're not offering ideas, you're just another person nagging for the demo to be released, and not listening to the reasons why Slavic has asked people to respect his decision for why it was a limited time offer, and wait for Early Access...

As for money helping development, Slavic has mentioned previously he's already secured more than enough funding to cover development, so is not under pressure to have revenue coming in until he is ready to release into Early Access... Should that change, I'm sure Slavic will let us all know...