most people cant get above havoc 29...

[Clyan]

list your own game, get a billion requests, almost all below 30.

ive been running havoc the past couple of days and ive seen it all, trolls, solo runners, people running questionable trees, even people using blue tier weapons...

the problem i find most obvious is that you cannot check their gear or keystones beforehand. once you start the mission it counts towards the assignement. personally i think this needs a fix. plus server issues that might cost you assignement ticks.

i wouldnt mind people running meme builds, but more than often it just foreshadows their lack of ambition to play seriously. and im kinda tired of seeing one guy ruin everyones time on purpose.

how do you circumvent this? darktide discord? some secret underground association? praying to the god emperor?

please enlighten me.

Yeah. I have observed this myself. Most Havocs are something between 10 and 23, these are the most common. Below 10 also more than above 24. Only few between 30 and 40. Comes with skill I think. An Auric Maelstrom equals Havoc 16. Everything below 20 is easy mode. After that it becomes slightly harder till 24 and then comes a spike up and so on. Hardest one is the 35 many said.

To your question: If you want to host I would advise you to play with people on a discord. Otherwise try to play with randoms and hope that you are lucky, people, map and spawn wise.

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

Because 29 and above is for pre-made teams. And 99% randoms can't get it. 26 is my limit with randoms.

[Clyan]

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Because 29 and above is for pre-made teams. And 99% randoms can't get it. 26 is my limit with randoms.

ive reached 31 with pugs, but yeah, i see it isnt very efficient

[minecraftshep]

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Because 29 and above is for pre-made teams. And 99% randoms can't get it. 26 is my limit with randoms.

I know a lot of people who have gotten to level 40 with randoms. I was able to do it with randoms as well, in 19 havoc games over the course of 2-3 weeks. Nobody used a microphone either during the missions I was in. I will be honest you have to get lucky to get a nice team who doesn't go down a lot.

But yeah, it's not impossible, don't give up hope lol.

[Tezcatli]

How do you know what quality their weapons are?

[minecraftshep]

Originally posted by Tezcatli:

How do you know what quality their weapons are?

If you go into the social tab you can inspect people's builds, including their weapon stats.

[Theutus]

Originally posted by minecraftshep:

Originally posted by Tezcatli:

How do you know what quality their weapons are?

If you go into the social tab you can inspect people's builds, including their weapon stats.

There's also a mod that allows you to inspect them from the havoc menu.

[Buzzles]

Originally posted by BlacCcat :3:

Yeah. I have observed this myself. Most Havocs are something between 10 and 23, these are the most common. Below 10 also more than above 24. Only few between 30 and 40. Comes with skill I think. An Auric Maelstrom equals Havoc 16. Everything below 20 is easy mode. After that it becomes slightly harder till 24 and then comes a spike up and so on. Hardest one is the 35 many said.

To your question: If you want to host I would advise you to play with people on a discord. Otherwise try to play with randoms and hope that you are lucky, people, map and spawn wise.

Despite Auric Maelstrom granting you level 16, the difficulty equiv to AM is about Havoc 25.

Havoc 16 (11-20 bracket) is still Heresy level difficulty in terms of enemy health. 21+ is Damnation.

Source, including lots of info for the ramp up in hidden modifiers behind each havoc level:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[VroomVroomVroom]

It's because of such pseudo-elitists like yourself people aren't running Havoc above 29... I'm so tired of snowflakes declining my request only because people have a very special view on how other people should play the game... I memed through Auric Damnation with Ogryn builds and now special snowflakes just decline my join request because... Jupiter is in retrograde or something.

It's just a game. There are people runninng questionable builds, but in my experience they are a minority.

Sometimes you carry, sometimes you get carried, it's a co-op game. I'm having a really hard time believing the ability to view other players skill trees and weapons would help - they might be using a meme build you don't play and have no idea how to play... you'll see it and go straight to "ooooh, this player is bad!" when in reality you don't know that. Moreover you would not filter toxic players that way, because their loadout won't really show if Jimmy would like to catapult your ass into the nearby chasm by blowing up a barrel because you took the ammo box.

My point being, stop optimizing the fun of the game and gatekeeping people from trying higher Havoc difficulties: if they won't try it, they won't learn how to deal with it. And people learn the best when actually running the damn thing.

You win some, you lose some, that's the way of life. Cheers.

[Slithy]

Originally posted by Clyan:

how do you circumvent this? darktide discord? some secret underground association? praying to the god emperor?

please enlighten me.

All three of those.

But really, everybody seems to be afraid to tell people to change their build but still complains about it. If you see a build that makes no sense, tell the person. If you just begrudgingly look at their build and grumble about it to yourself then nothing is going to change. Hell, the person might even be thankful for your recommendation.

Need a Zealot with purify and book but the dude is running Martydom? Tell him to switch that sh*t. See a Veteran running recon lasgun with overwatch and you need them on plasma with shout? Tell them. Your Psyker running a gun build when they should be running trauma or pyro? Tell them. Once again, and I can't reiterate this enough, TELL PEOPLE WHEN YOU SEE A PROBLEM. Havoc mode is the one mode where you should be adjusting your build to your group's needs.

And if it's a behavior that needs to be rectified, don't "OMG YOU DUMB***! UNINSTALL THE GAME! LEARN TO PLAY, NOOB!" at them... they're going to double down and be jerks. Just be polite and say "please stick together" or "you're too far ahead." Sometimes people get tunnel vision.

[Svenson]

They should make the game adjust the challenge to the build of the group. Tune it toward their builds so they don't have anything that they absolutely can't handle. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid having to micro tweak your build and it's not easy to do without deleting half your tree either. If they would just fix basic things like weapon swap not working correctly like 90% of modern FPS games. I have to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mash keys to get things to work by finding the perfect time when the animation is done and then some things like F if you hit it twice it will cancel. I don't know if it's network lag or ♥♥♥♥♥♥ input handling but one tiny slip because you couldn't kill that trapper because your weapon didn't switch and you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥. The game is made hard by adding bullet sponges, low visibility, or cheat spawns instead of making the enemy actually smarter. And you need the right team composition for the random modifiers. I have only played a few days on Havoc and got 25 so far but the game is just frustrating to play so I'm kinda over it now.

[cith]

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Because 29 and above is for pre-made teams. And 99% randoms can't get it. 26 is my limit with randoms.

do 35-40 each week with randoms. honestly it's more about map RNG and server issues that cause runs to fail than people throwing or not taking stuff seriously. Kind of crazy how ♥♥♥♥ servers are right now.

[[PVP] Boss Prime]

You can't run Havoc solo.

[VroomVroomVroom]

Originally posted by cith:

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Because 29 and above is for pre-made teams. And 99% randoms can't get it. 26 is my limit with randoms.

do 35-40 each week with randoms. honestly it's more about map RNG and server issues that cause runs to fail than people throwing or not taking stuff seriously. Kind of crazy how ♥♥♥♥ servers are right now.

Also this. Server lag on Auric Damnations and higher Havoc levels is just unbearable sometimes. I've seen many wipes exactly due to this. It seems the servers can't handle such intense loads of enemies at once.

[Phantom Limb]

Some people just aren't good enough for high level difficulty. They just aren't and will never get better. And that's for the best really because not everyone has to unlock everything and get rewards just because.