Ys IX: Monstrum Nox

Ys IX: Monstrum Nox

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StackzGaming Jul 11, 2021 @ 2:12pm
Dumbed down explanation of the story (Spoilers, obviously)
In a nutshell:

two kingdoms from the past fought for power.

One kingdom had the brilliant idea of cloning the best warriors so they could be used to get an easier victory. After the battle, Rosvita is blamed for the significant loss of life, interrogated and burned to death.

They called up an alchemist to do the cloning, who realized that he could bring back the love of his life (Rosvita, now known as Aprilis); but he also discovers that he can even spawn clones from still-living beings.

Out of revenge, the alchemist uses the King, bishop and lead general of the kingdom that had Rosvita killed, as test subjects for his experiments, then locks them in otherworldly prisons with immortality, to suffer forever.

When Adol is taken captive, it's because they already know that he's an adventurer and has tons of experience and history. They probe his memory and clone out the Primordials (Ys VIII) as well as the souls of various significant people he's met from past games (think of all of the main deuteragonists that have paired with Adol in his various games over time, like Dana).

This is the reason that Zola is able to make a god-clone, because of Adol's "Memories of Celceta" (see what they did there?) and the Eldeen.

The reason Aprilis chose Adol in the beginning is that she already knew that he was a clone, but she also understood that Adol was a very skilled warrior that would have the best chance at freeing the others from the "curse".


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Minneyar Jul 11, 2021 @ 2:25pm 
That's kind of correct, although you left out everything about the Twilight of the Gods and the Grimwald Nox that Grimnir created. Also, the Monstrums were not created/cloned to fight in the Hundred Years War, they were created to kill the Lemures created inside the Grimwald Nox after the Norse demigods disappeared.
StackzGaming Jul 12, 2021 @ 8:34am 
Originally posted by Minneyar:
That's kind of correct, although you left out everything about the Twilight of the Gods and the Grimwald Nox that Grimnir created. Also, the Monstrums were not created/cloned to fight in the Hundred Years War, they were created to kill the Lemures created inside the Grimwald Nox after the Norse demigods disappeared.

I left it out because most of that is what's apparently referred to as "meta" - which tends to confuse people and frankly isn't really necessary to understand for the 'core" of what's going on with Adol, if that makes sense.

But, the creation of the Monstrums? Let's assume what you say is true, it means there's a plot hole, because when you talk to Marius in the quest with him and Parks, they talk about using the created clones in their war, with the Lemures being a byproduct of the negative emotions following that war - so at worst they were created for one reason but used in another fashion.
ladynadiad Jul 12, 2021 @ 8:46am 
Originally posted by inveni_te_ipsum:
Originally posted by Minneyar:
That's kind of correct, although you left out everything about the Twilight of the Gods and the Grimwald Nox that Grimnir created. Also, the Monstrums were not created/cloned to fight in the Hundred Years War, they were created to kill the Lemures created inside the Grimwald Nox after the Norse demigods disappeared.

I left it out because most of that is what's apparently referred to as "meta" - which tends to confuse people and frankly isn't really necessary to understand for the 'core" of what's going on with Adol, if that makes sense.

But, the creation of the Monstrums? Let's assume what you say is true, it means there's a plot hole, because when you talk to Marius in the quest with him and Parks, they talk about using the created clones in their war, with the Lemures being a byproduct of the negative emotions following that war - so at worst they were created for one reason but used in another fashion.

They don't mean using them in previous wars but using them for the revolt Chatelard was planning. That was why the knights were arresting a bunch of people in chapter 8 as they were taking over. They planned to create homunculi to deal with the issue of lack of numbers to go against the Romuns.

As far as the Lemures go, they have existed for as long as humans have in Balduq. In chapter 6 we found the mural that showed Grimnir and his demigods fought in the Grimwald Nox in the past. When Grimnir and his demigods died in the Hundred Years War, there was no one to fight the Lemures. So Zola proposed the idea of homunculi of exceptional humans to deal with it and Rosivta's comrades volunteered. That is an important core to the story so leaving out Grimnir and why homunculi were needed leaves out a huge part of why in the hell the Monstrums even needed to exist to begin with. Rosvita wasn't fighting alone for 500 years, she'd had help from her comrades until they fell in battle and new homunculi were made and raised to replace them.
Gunlord Jul 13, 2021 @ 11:27pm 
Hey guys, sorry if this is a random question but since this is a story thread I'll ask here. I'm in the last chapter and I have a question about Parks. I just finished the request from Marius, and after I killed him Parks revealed he was the missing Cardinal Lindheim. I'm wondering, how did nobody in the prison recognize the Governor General? Lindheim wasn't exactly a nobody. Also, pardon me for being dumb but why did Lindheim even want to get stuck in there in the first place?
ladynadiad Jul 14, 2021 @ 12:36am 
Originally posted by Gunlord:
Hey guys, sorry if this is a random question but since this is a story thread I'll ask here. I'm in the last chapter and I have a question about Parks. I just finished the request from Marius, and after I killed him Parks revealed he was the missing Cardinal Lindheim. I'm wondering, how did nobody in the prison recognize the Governor General? Lindheim wasn't exactly a nobody. Also, pardon me for being dumb but why did Lindheim even want to get stuck in there in the first place?

It was also mentioned at some point after the reveal, if not in that quest itself that Parks in the past had worked in the mines and no one realized he was a noble. He does have that quiet unassuming sort of look about him that it could well be that most recognize him more by what he wears than his face. Keep in mind that even Iris doesn't recognize him and an assassin would definitely make sure to memorize what her target looks like.. So this gives me the impression that people remember him more for something besides his face. Very likely the clothing that denotes his rank in the church.

Also keep in mind that as far as the prison goes, they did make an effort to take away the identity of prisoners by only referring to them as their inmate number. They also were discouraged from asking questions, speaking to other prisoners and so on. Just look at how inmate 163 was treated for even speaking out regarding Adol. That shows that even if prisoners would have guessed, they would have been silenced and punished by the guards fast if they said a word of it. Plus, most prisoners would likely convince themselves otherwise since someone of the Cardinal's rank wouldn't be in prison and even if he was he'd be in the Special Sector with the other nobles or up in the tower that the real Adol was in.
archmag Jul 14, 2021 @ 3:46am 
500 years ago there was a war between two gods Grimnir and Luki which became a war between two nations - Gllia and Britai. Britai conquered Balduq, the important city of Gllia. Saint Rosvita although being from a farmer family rallied an army and liberated the town. Zola was her adjutant at the time and he was obsessed with her. Rosvita gets captured by Britai and executed after Britai's bishop gets influenced by Gllia's leadership which wanted to remove her.

Grimnir creates a special world where monsters created by human's emnity go to keep Gllia safe (otherwise they would appear in real world). From time to time his demi-gods purge those monsters so that the world does not overflows. At the end of the war which happened 500 years ago both gods, Grimnir and Luki die so demi-gods can't purge the extra world of monsters anymore and humans are left to do this. Humans don't have enough power to confront the monsters though and Zola uses this opportunity to convince the King to create a grand alchemy lab and invest in homunculi research.

Initially while Rosvita was still alive Zola used alchemy on her doll to trasfuse it with a soul. But the experiment failed in his opinion. He later uses memories of that doll and a lock of hair to create Rosvita's homunculus Aprilis. He also creates several more homunculi using her previous group members. He can't create fully grown ones yet so he has to let them grow naturally and teach them. This party is supposed to fight in Grimwald Nox and keep it clean. But all members of the party keep dying all the time and only Aprilis survives so she becomes cold and treats her previous friends as puppets while she is a master.

15 years ago Zola leaves Aprilis alone for some reason and she can't teach new group of homunculi so she gaves them up in orphanage and keeps fighting alone. Later when they are grown up already she takes them back into the group and makes them fight monsters.

8 years ago Romun Empire sieges Balduq and everything looked bleak until Chatelard decided to make a very risky attack against the besieger army. General which was tasked with protecting the city agreed with his plan but decided not to go through with it after Chatelard was already attacking the enemy and let everyone die, Chatelard including. After that they just give up the city. Zola creates a Chatelard homunculus and gives him an idea to use homunculi to oppose Romuns.

Gllia's general that didn't participate in Chatelard's attack as he promised was imprisoned as a war criminal. Later used by Zola to influence Chatelard and transmuted into monster homunculus. Location - Fool's Jail.

Britai's Bishop that gave an order to execute Rosvita was silenced and imprisoned. Later used by Zola to guard his lab to punish him. Location - Heretic's Jail.

Gllia's King that influenced the bishop to execute Rosvita was used by Zola to fund the research and later was also transformed into a monster. Location - Marionette's Jail.


That's what I understand about the lore. There may be some mistakes and I am not sure about some things, like why in the last batch of homunculi Zola creates only 4 members of their usual group and not 5. He later tries new way of creating a fully grown one on Holy Swordman but puts his soul in some creature's body from Adol's memory. Why was not this Holy Swordman bred 15 years ago together with the rest I have no idea. Any other soul could have been used for the test.
ladynadiad Jul 14, 2021 @ 5:09am 
Originally posted by archmag:
That's what I understand about the lore. There may be some mistakes and I am not sure about some things, like why in the last batch of homunculi Zola creates only 4 members of their usual group and not 5. He later tries new way of creating a fully grown one on Holy Swordman but puts his soul in some creature's body from Adol's memory. Why was not this Holy Swordman bred 15 years ago together with the rest I have no idea. Any other soul could have been used for the test.

Regarding Xavier The game doesn't outright say he was included with the others. Remember when he speaks of himself that he says that he remembers dying in that battle and then his next memory is waking up in a roo's body. He says he thinks he was given a roo's body as punishment for abandoning his comrades by dying so early on. Why use someone like that in the Grimwald? More likely he was one of Zola's numerous experiments, probably to see if a human soul could be placed in something not human, which led to the creation of the chimeras. Otherwise it seems Xavier was mostly left to his own devices, maybe used for reporting on things going on in the prison since he was pretty well informed.
archmag Jul 14, 2021 @ 5:53am 
Ohh, I see. So it was his first resurrection after his death 500 years ago. And he was used to test binding the soul into grown up body. He never participated with other members of his initial party in Grimwald Nox events during those 500 years. This makes sense.
I thought that Holy Swordman also was one of the saints as there is a whole legend about him, but it seems this legend was about him participating in the war, not about Grimwald Nox. So even though he may be a hero of that war, he was not used as a homunculus until just recently after Adol was captured (I wonder why his soul is still around after 500 years of inactivity, guess that's some alchemy for you).
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Gunlord Jul 14, 2021 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by ladynadiad:
Originally posted by Gunlord:
Hey guys, sorry if this is a random question but since this is a story thread I'll ask here. I'm in the last chapter and I have a question about Parks. I just finished the request from Marius, and after I killed him Parks revealed he was the missing Cardinal Lindheim. I'm wondering, how did nobody in the prison recognize the Governor General? Lindheim wasn't exactly a nobody. Also, pardon me for being dumb but why did Lindheim even want to get stuck in there in the first place?

It was also mentioned at some point after the reveal, if not in that quest itself that Parks in the past had worked in the mines and no one realized he was a noble. He does have that quiet unassuming sort of look about him that it could well be that most recognize him more by what he wears than his face. Keep in mind that even Iris doesn't recognize him and an assassin would definitely make sure to memorize what her target looks like.. So this gives me the impression that people remember him more for something besides his face. Very likely the clothing that denotes his rank in the church.

Also keep in mind that as far as the prison goes, they did make an effort to take away the identity of prisoners by only referring to them as their inmate number. They also were discouraged from asking questions, speaking to other prisoners and so on. Just look at how inmate 163 was treated for even speaking out regarding Adol. That shows that even if prisoners would have guessed, they would have been silenced and punished by the guards fast if they said a word of it. Plus, most prisoners would likely convince themselves otherwise since someone of the Cardinal's rank wouldn't be in prison and even if he was he'd be in the Special Sector with the other nobles or up in the tower that the real Adol was in.
Thanks! I guess I'd better just finish up the game. One more question: Is the Grimwald Nox a worldwide phenomena? Cause if Grimnir made the nox specifically for Gllia, does that mean all the monsters and demons elsewhere in the world of Ys are borne from human negative emotions? Cause if not I dunno why Grimnir would have even bothered making the Grimwald Nox...
archmag Jul 14, 2021 @ 8:30am 
Originally posted by Gunlord:
Thanks! I guess I'd better just finish up the game. One more question: Is the Grimwald Nox a worldwide phenomena? Cause if Grimnir made the nox specifically for Gllia, does that mean all the monsters and demons elsewhere in the world of Ys are borne from human negative emotions? Cause if not I dunno why Grimnir would have even bothered making the Grimwald Nox...
The world was created because of the fight of two gods. Grimnir created Grimwald Nox only for people who supported him, Gllia, to keep them safe (it is actually safer when monsters don't just appear on the streets). I am not sure why it is only around a single town even though it is mentioned that they have at least 4 Gllia areas with different general commanders. Maybe initially when the war 500 years ago was ongoing there was just one town and then people spread around.

At the end of a game you destroy the Grimwald Nox and leave the town. Meaning that monsters will now spawn right in the world. There are also no more Monstrums with superior abilities so I guess the town will be screwed.
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labtob Jul 15, 2021 @ 5:29am 
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Gnidex Jul 15, 2021 @ 5:02pm 
Originally posted by archmag:
Originally posted by Gunlord:
Thanks! I guess I'd better just finish up the game. One more question: Is the Grimwald Nox a worldwide phenomena? Cause if Grimnir made the nox specifically for Gllia, does that mean all the monsters and demons elsewhere in the world of Ys are borne from human negative emotions? Cause if not I dunno why Grimnir would have even bothered making the Grimwald Nox...
The world was created because of the fight of two gods. Grimnir created Grimwald Nox only for people who supported him, Gllia, to keep them safe (it is actually safer when monsters don't just appear on the streets). I am not sure why it is only around a single town even though it is mentioned that they have at least 4 Gllia areas with different general commanders. Maybe initially when the war 500 years ago was ongoing there was just one town and then people spread around.

At the end of a game you destroy the Grimwald Nox and leave the town. Meaning that monsters will now spawn right in the world. There are also no more Monstrums with superior abilities so I guess the town will be screwed.

It's not like monsters will appear. Humans are generating enmity and enmity was converted into Lemures by Egg of Draupnir. The difference now is that enmity will stay within humans, so they might end up more aggressive.
Gunlord Jul 15, 2021 @ 7:24pm 
Originally posted by Gnidex:
Originally posted by archmag:
The world was created because of the fight of two gods. Grimnir created Grimwald Nox only for people who supported him, Gllia, to keep them safe (it is actually safer when monsters don't just appear on the streets). I am not sure why it is only around a single town even though it is mentioned that they have at least 4 Gllia areas with different general commanders. Maybe initially when the war 500 years ago was ongoing there was just one town and then people spread around.

At the end of a game you destroy the Grimwald Nox and leave the town. Meaning that monsters will now spawn right in the world. There are also no more Monstrums with superior abilities so I guess the town will be screwed.

It's not like monsters will appear. Humans are generating enmity and enmity was converted into Lemures by Egg of Draupnir. The difference now is that enmity will stay within humans, so they might end up more aggressive.

Innnnteresting. I think I understand now. So the Grimwald Nox functioned as sort of an emotional or psychological bulwark on the people of Balduq, making them less in thrall to their negative emotions compared to those elsewhere in the world? I think that makes sense, thank you.
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