Get of Fenris

[Mad_Rat]

One moment which kinda puzzled my in the game is that talk about tribes when Get of Fenris was mentioned, everyone acted like "No, they are all totally Nazis, we don't want to have nothing in commmon with them".

Since Revised edition Get are not ALL Nazis or even racist, even it they keep all this nordic pagan aesthetic thing. They have one pro-nazi faction, but they are ostracized by everyone including their Tribe.

So this was really weird, especially because they were ok with Red Talons (all-wolf Tribe who want to wipe out or severly reduce mankind).

I guess there can some political explanation, like most of the characters are Poles, so they dislike stereotypically German Tribe, but there are German characters as well.

[coolguy]

Цитата допису worldusfantasticus:

its not the only part, a Red Talon called Daniel that gives interviews on reporters and guides people around the woods is far worse depiction of a Red Talon than the Get of Fenris in this game in my opinion.

Agreed. The Get in the story at least, should be rightfully ostrisized, but the Red Talons aren't getting off the hook here. The tabletop described them as genocidal fanatics, activly hell bent on reinstating the culling of humans just like they did millenia ago. The second eddition storytelllers handbook describes a midwinter traditions where the Red Talons find a random hiker, hunt him, rip out his guts presumably while he is alive, string them up around a fir tree, and then mount his head at the top like a Christmas star.

But we are allowed to pick their tribe, but you cant be the awesome warrior tribe who's ancestors fought vampire Odin (the lore for this franchise is awesome). Not that I care, BG for life

[Syrris]

You can't choose Red Talon as Maia's tribe.

You can choose Get of Fenris if you follow a certain plot path.


Re Daniel, he's doing to the PR work because it fits his auspice as a Galliard, and as the only Talon in the area, the others have been able to talk him into restraint for the time being - and because it helps to protect the local wolf population, which is also a major priority for the Talons. (There are camps within the Talons that fall somewhere along that spectrum so it isn't without precedent.)

Maia can potentially make a mess of that arrangement, of course...

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису coolguy:

But we are allowed to pick their tribe, but you cant be the awesome warrior tribe who's ancestors fought vampire Odin (the lore for this franchise is awesome). Not that I care, BG for life

Aww, you can't join the Get?

Although I just skimmed through their wiki, and the Get of Fenris don't seem to have a particularly high opinion of women to begin with. And considering the character in this game is gender locked into being female, I guess it makes sense they wouldn't really allow you to join them.

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису Syrris:

You can't choose Red Talon as Maia's tribe.

You can choose Get of Fenris if you follow a certain plot path.

So wait, which tribes are playable then? I don't care about spoilers, obviously. Else I wouldn't have asked.

[worldusfantasticus]

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Цитата допису Syrris:

You can't choose Red Talon as Maia's tribe.

You can choose Get of Fenris if you follow a certain plot path.

So wait, which tribes are playable then? I don't care about spoilers, obviously. Else I wouldn't have asked.

Get of Fenris which is called Vanir in the game, Black Furies, Children of Gaia, Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers. There is also a Siberakh and a Red Talon which you cannot choose as a Tribe.

[Livyenne]

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Цитата допису Syrris:

You can't choose Red Talon as Maia's tribe.

You can choose Get of Fenris if you follow a certain plot path.

So wait, which tribes are playable then? I don't care about spoilers, obviously. Else I wouldn't have asked.

Afaik you can become a Bone Gnawer, Glass Walker, Children of Gaia, Black Fury and Get of Fenris, though the latter one is harder to find, because there are no living Get left in the area. You can't play a Red Talon, although one of them appears in the game. I am not entirely sure whether you can join Lisa's tribe, the Siberakh, I never tried it.
What is important to know is that your options in the game vary. What you are being offered depends highly on who you talk with about their tribes, if they like you (they can outright refuse to let you join and teach you) and many other things.

[GrandMajora]

Ah, apparently the Red Talons are exclusively comprised of Lupus born. Meaning if you're natural form is Homid, you can't join them.

Sorry if I seem really new, the only Werewolf book I own is first edition Forsaken. Don't have any material for Apocalypse.

[Livyenne]

It's alright, not knowing something about a game is not a crime. ^^ And fortunately you don't need any books to understand the game. There is a dialogue in there that explains why it isn't possible. ^^

[Syrris]

While there are some cursory similarities, Werewolf: the Forsaken uses a different setting and themes than Werewolf: the Apocalypse, so the best practice is to completely forget everything W:tF says when dealing with W:tA (and vice versa).

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису Syrris:

While there are some cursory similarities, Werewolf: the Forsaken uses a different setting and themes than Werewolf: the Apocalypse, so the best practice is to completely forget everything W:tF says when dealing with W:tA (and vice versa).

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. But with the exception of Bloodlines, I started my introduction to World of Darkness with the Chronicles line. Which at the time was still going by the name NEW World of Darkness.

I did eventually purchase V20 and C20 for classic World of Darkness, though.

[CrocTheOne]

Цитата допису Syrris:

You can choose Get of Fenris if you follow a certain plot path...

I need a guide to do this, I couldnt find that plot path

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису CrocTheOne:

Цитата допису Syrris:

You can choose Get of Fenris if you follow a certain plot path...

I need a guide to do this, I couldnt find that plot path

From what I read, you need to take every opportunity to find out more information about your family, and select the options which support and defend your grandfather's actions.

[GrandMajora]

On the subject of Get being Nazi's, that was only the case for a single lodge among their numbers. The Blades of Heimdal were the ones who adopted Nazi ideology, and they were hated just as much by the Get of Fenris as they were by everybody else.

In fact, the Get of Fenris took it upon themselves to hunt down and eradicated every member of the Blades of Heimdall on the planet. The lodge was driven to extinction, and no longer exists.

So where are the people in this game getting the idea from that the GoF were all in bed with Hitler, when it was the GoF themselves who personally destroyed the nazi werewolves?

[Livyenne]

I'm not sure, but maybe because that "hunting this subgroup down to extinction" was not originally planned but a reaction of the WtA writers to fan mail of actual Nazis ages ago, who were basically thanking devs for the opportunity to play Nazis unironically in a tabletop game and feel justified and represented and understood and whatnot.

There is some praise you just don't want to have and for good reasons. From what I know that's when the decision was made to cut them out of the game for good and I'm glad they did. :)

So not every player might have drawn this connection of "all Fenris are Nazis", but a lot of them did and this got afaik quite some attention, making more people aware of that subgroup of Fenris in general I could imagine, sort of emphasizing its importance. But I wasn't "there" at the time, I don't know how much public attention this actually got, so take this with a grain of salt.

Also, them being intolerant on basically almost every level might it easy to get to this conclusion, too, but that's just personal theory.

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису Livyenne:

There is some praise you just don't want to have and for good reasons. From what I know that's when the decision was made to cut them out of the game for good and I'm glad they did. :)

Sounds more like a desperate attempt to cover their own butts. If they were going to be shocked about people wanting to play nazi's, then why would they even include the Blades of Heimdall in the first place?

I mean, maybe they were specifically intended to be an antagonist faction, like the Sabbat for Masquerade, or the Belial's Brood for Requiem? But any experienced role player should know there will always been players try to play a game as members of the antagonist factions. Either due to morbid curiosity, or just for the sake of trying something new.

Besides, some of the other tribes are just as bad as the BoH, but on a much wider scale. The Black Furies are literally femi-nazi's who had a tradition of kidnapping young girls and forcefully indoctrinating them into their man hating cult. They also killed any of their male children at birth.

And if I haven't brought this up yet, the Red Talons have secretly reinstated the Impergium, which means their goal is the complete extinction of all human life!