Do not buy this game, if you love Team Ninja

[Treasure Chest]

If you love Team Ninja and their games, do not buy this game.

Why?

Rise of the Ronin was made as the new flagship IP for the company and was supposed to be the new standard for the future of Team Ninja games, it had massive funding and the sales were expected to be 5m+ copies sold on PS5 alone. Team Ninja betrayed their core audience and went for the casual market, made the game open-world and added super easy and easy difficulty modes to appeal to casuals. What happened? In the launch week Rise of the Ronin was one of their fastest selling games, but in the long run it had no legs and sold worse than Nioh 1.

If this game was a success, it would have ruined and killed Team Ninja for good. Thank God it was a massive failure. Don't forget that Team Ninja has a tendency to try and sellout (Remember original Ninja Gaiden 3 which was an interactive movie and almost killed the franchise?), but so far, every time they have tried that, the games were failures.

If you love NINJA GAIDEN and NIOH, do not buy this game, this game was supposed to destroy that which you love. It is very important that this game continues to be a financial failure, so that future Team Ninja games remain of high quality and aren't boring open-world garbage with casualized difficulty settings.

Even Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty is far superior to this boring open-world slop!

Go buy Ninja Gaiden 2 Black, Ninja Gaiden 4 or Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty instead, and in the future Nioh 3.

[xBGLx狂犬]

Publicado originalmente por Corvis Cross:

Let's be real: you get it if you're a real fan.

that's why I hate *videogame title* fans.

[Gannibal Kujoe]

Umm.... bro you might be a little F'N insane. I don't mean that as an insult or to dismiss your words. I mean you might need some sort of therapy. Whether than is medicated or merely introspective is up to you or maybe your brain chemistry.

Because honestly you skipped over the PS5 exclusivity as a reason for the game failing to sell and went straight to ......"They made the game easy.".

You do know the casual Market already runs gaming right? They are called MOBILE users. Even the term casual is cringe these days. If you watch action movies over art house dramas nobody calls you a "Causal movie watcher".

There are genres and levels to media and entertainment. What is wrong with you. I really wonder about some of you. There are two types of people that try to beseech others to do what they say on personal morality and authority.

Politicians using the rule of law, and beggars. You aren't a politician because steam forums aren't a municipality of any type. Which means you are a jester beggar and you seem to have been successful at it. Or like I said before. You are insane, and should seek help.

[xBGLx狂犬]

Publicado originalmente por MilesColtrane:

Which means you are a jester beggar and you seem to have been successful at it. Or like I said before.

at least he got his free steam points for jester rewards.

[LadyTenjoin]

I've played the game on the PS5 and I thought it can get pretty difficult. So what if it caters to casuals? It doesn't bring the quality down. It's an overall good game with a decent story based on history. It's a high quality game like Nioh. I'll be buying the game...again.

[MAKEMEDEEP45]

ALREADY PRE ORDERED AND BOUGHT IT FOR HALF MY FRIENDSLIST

[xBGLx狂犬]

Publicado originalmente por MAKEMEDEEP45:

ALREADY PRE ORDERED AND BOUGHT IT FOR HALF MY FRIENDSLIST

man of culture

[hwaitinghoshino]

Publicado originalmente por MAKEMEDEEP45:

ALREADY PRE ORDERED AND BOUGHT IT FOR HALF MY FRIENDSLIST

Same, also pre-ordered! Cheers!

[Gravious]

Publicado originalmente por Treasure Chest:

If you love Team Ninja and their games, do not buy this game.

Why?

Rise of the Ronin was made as the new flagship IP for the company and was supposed to be the new standard for the future of Team Ninja games, it had massive funding and the sales were expected to be 5m+ copies sold on PS5 alone. Team Ninja betrayed their core audience and went for the casual market, made the game open-world and added super easy and easy difficulty modes to appeal to casuals. What happened? In the launch week Rise of the Ronin was one of their fastest selling games, but in the long run it had no legs and sold worse than Nioh 1.

If this game was a success, it would have ruined and killed Team Ninja for good. Thank God it was a massive failure. Don't forget that Team Ninja has a tendency to try and sellout (Remember original Ninja Gaiden 3 which was an interactive movie and almost killed the franchise?), but so far, every time they have tried that, the games were failures.

If you love NINJA GAIDEN and NIOH, do not buy this game, this game was supposed to destroy that which you love. It is very important that this game continues to be a financial failure, so that future Team Ninja games remain of high quality and aren't boring open-world garbage with casualized difficulty settings.

Even Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty is far superior to this boring open-world slop!

Go buy Ninja Gaiden 2 Black, Ninja Gaiden 4 or Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty instead, and in the future Nioh 3.

Then dont play it on Easy. Play it on Hard like all the good players who want a challenge.

[clarkeveritas]

Interesting take, find it odd people either thought you were joking or just got mad at you in general. Played the hell out of Nioh 1 and 2, Didn’t play that paradise game or wu kong or whatnot. This one stuck up on me so haven’t researched it at all.

So Nioh 1 and 2 had some of the most deep, technical combat I’ve ever seen- also crazy difficult but it made mastery of a given weapon feel SO nice. I loved me some souls but the combat is quite a far cry from nioh in terms of options.

So have the ninja games been getting more and more “for the masses”? I
Have not played any of their stuff since Nioh 2 so I’m curious. If they do the open world on a good way I could see it as a positive.

[Reizie]

I understand the possible concerns and apprehension but I don't understand why you swing so hard to the opposite extreme of outright hating this particular game instead of being neutral about it. Specifically because you're not even losing what you had before, the difficulty and action is still challenging the same as it ever was. The only change is the formula of stage based levels being turned into big open maps and that's it, which isn't even intrinsically bad it's just different (people who are jaded by ubislop will be cynical and assume open world = bad but that's too one dimensional).

I like how you searched sale figures but you ignored the part where despite having an easier difficulty (Dawn) one step below the normal one (Dusk), there are 2 difficulties harder than the standard experience ("Twilight/hard" is available from the beginning and another "Midnight/very hard" after you cleared the game once). I don't know where you got the "super easy" and "easy" as two different steps below the standard difficulty from.

I can understand this kind of extreme reaction if Team Ninja has been going on a very clear off the cliff, crash and burn style downward trend but that's not even the case. Despite Wo Long being kinda meh but okay in terms of gameplay, Rise of the Ronin is better than that because it's combining the parry mechanic of Wo Long with the in-depth stances of Nioh 2. It's an addition instead of a replacement and omitting something we had before.

Just because this game changed from stage based levels to open world environment doesn't mean the entire genre and formula also changed to accommodate that. The gameplay is still the same old Team Ninja you just travel a lot more than usual and that's it. I get that there's side activities, new mechanics like the glider or horse riding or whatever but the core gameplay hasn't changed, it's just more stuff added onto it.

Even if this game is supposed to be a "stepping out of the comfort zone" experiment in order to find out what they should and shouldn't do for the future, don't you think it's a little bit early to start boycotting when it's just one singular game trying to push their boundaries? Like even if they're messing around, you didn't even let them cook until they're fully done and have found out yet. It's still very early cause the PC version isn't even released yet, and you're comparing Nioh 1 which is fully released on both PC and consoles, fully updated, fully completed, no more DLC, no more changes with 7 years worth of time since it's been out (2017) to this PS5 only version game that's been out for only almost one year? Bruh.

I don't disagree with gatekeeping necessarily, the whole purpose is to prevent new things from coming in and changing what we had previously into something unrecognizable, but this isn't even remotely close to reaching that point. I just disagree with where and when you're doing it. Like if you waited a bit longer and you wrote a negative review when you get the full picture after the dust settles in order to dissuade people from buying it with the system that it's meant for instead then that might've been more meaningful than this.

[Voland]

Publicado originalmente por 🍃🪻🪷Sylvie🩵🍸🍵:

It is so much better than Assassin's Creed Shadows!

not when it comes to stealth and acrobatics.

Publicado originalmente por Treasure Chest:

It is very important that this game continues to be a financial failure, so that future Team Ninja games remain of high quality and aren't boring open-world garbage with casualized difficulty settings

Rise of Ronin not even in top 100 sellers. i guess future of this IP is questionable for now.

[★Don't call me sugar★]

I already buyed on steam and I will enjoy it because I don't support woke of yotei.

[A.X.]

this is funny lol.

"I don't like this game despite never played it, so nobody should buy it."

This is legit the reason why the game didn't sell well cuz reviewers wanted a nioh 3 and ronin is not and they started trash this game.

Not every game team Ninja made needs to be a copy of Nioh, and you should not expect Nioh game play in Ronin. Also there will be ally missions after you finished the game and those are hard af.

[xBGLx狂犬]

Publicado originalmente por A.X.:

This is legit the reason why the game didn't sell well cuz reviewers wanted a nioh 3 and ronin is not and they started trash this game.

btw I remember that gameranx or fextralife gave quite positive reviews, and they were saying that at very least people should try the game and don't hate it that much. So I will.
Plus I am interested to see how it turns out to play in Japanese because I've studied it for many years already.

[clarkeveritas]

Just looked- metacritic was 76, 80 seemed to be the median (and mode). Nioh 1 and 2 were high-80's.