仁王2 Complete Edition

仁王2 Complete Edition

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Witcher 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 9:43
Game Story and Plot
How many players follow the story in game? I had difficulty following story in Nioh 2. At least I followed William's story in Nioh.
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jjj0309 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 10:27 
I always had a feeling that the story in Nioh 2 barely progresses until the end of the main game and start of the DLCs. The story in the first one wasn't even spectacularly good, but the story in the 2 is worse compared to the first one. Maybe because I'm not much educated about the history of Japan, but it is really hard to follow and immerse the story of Nioh 2.
William's story is far much better written and dramatic compared to Hide's one, at least for me. First three chapters of Nioh 2 feels like some kind of filler episodes.
dyne2alex 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 10:42 
引用自 jjj0309
I always had a feeling that the story in Nioh 2 barely progresses until the end of the main game and start of the DLCs. The story in the first one wasn't even spectacularly good, but the story in the 2 is worse compared to the first one. Maybe because I'm not much educated about the history of Japan, but it is really hard to follow and immerse the story of Nioh 2.
William's story is far much better written and dramatic compared to Hide's one, at least for me. First three chapters of Nioh 2 feels like some kind of filler episodes.

it's pretty much written soley for people who know a lot of about the Sengoku Jidai (time period). Even then, story isn't great, but it's an alternate history fiction.
The High Seraph 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 11:52 
Nioh 2 story is pretty mediocre . But what make it worse is the style of telling the story . To completely understand , need to read character bios from Hut , post missions texts and even need to know some background historical knowledges from Japan . So ya ppl who just watched cutscene will have lots of hard time following the story . That’s not good right ? But this is team Ninja we are talking about , you can’t expect Witcher level story telling from them xD .

I personally prefer Nioh 1 William’s straight up badass story than this forced emotional friends & uncle murdering story . But since Nioh is gameplay focus and 2 offer lots of good things , I won’t mind this story part . Still this is one of the game’s flaws .
最後修改者:The High Seraph; 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 11:55
Witcher 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 12:11 
Yea, game drives players to focus on refining and farming for different weapon builds, and story/plot takes a back seat.

Even Sekiro tells a better story b/c players are free to roam to different places to converse with NPCs with options to change end story. Nioh's mission based game engine is designed more like an action arcade rather than an RPG.

Edit: Nioh's start and end vid clips per mission tends to be sketchy at best and skips some "things" which assume players will read up in game - e.g.. we assume William's son is shared wth Okatsu but what happened to her?
最後修改者:Witcher; 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 12:14
ase 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 12:16 
I think it's simple,but good.Though,there are people who will not care about story,since it does nothing to catch your attention if you were not interested in the first place.Many moments that should make you feel interested in it are pretty meh without knowing the context-Imagawa Yoshimoto being one of the examples.Oda actually had 3.000 people against 25.000,and yet he won-game does not even mention it anywhere,it's a typical battle in the game.Story does not make sense sometimes,especially the DLCs 1 and 3 who feel like filler episodes with legendary heroes who lack any context,so there's also that.But in the end,game is all about grinding and you quickly forget the story for the more fun parts of this game
Bike Knight 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 12:17 
I enjoyed the story for what it was. The pacing wasn't great, but I liked following the Sengoku Jidai events and seeing TN's interpretation of the historical character's personalities and motivations.
I can see how anyone going in who didn't even know who Oda Nobunaga or Toyotomi Hideyoshi were would be completely lost though. The game does nothing to explain the background for westerners who aren't history buffs.
Fraktal 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 1:59 
Who the ♥♥♥♥ is playing this game for the story?
Witcher 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 2:11 
Who the ♥♥♥♥ is playing this game for the story?

Players who like to enjoy playing games rather than grinding for mindless killings.
The High Seraph 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 2:26 
引用自 Witcher
Yea, game drives players to focus on refining and farming for different weapon builds, and story/plot takes a back seat.

Even Sekiro tells a better story b/c players are free to roam to different places to converse with NPCs with options to change end story. Nioh's mission based game engine is designed more like an action arcade rather than an RPG.

Edit: Nioh's start and end vid clips per mission tends to be sketchy at best and skips some "things" which assume players will read up in game - e.g.. we assume William's son is shared wth Okatsu but what happened to her?
Well she is going around somewhere maybe . Like cooking , buying some stuffs in the market . William scene is very short and we can’t speculate all possible things with just single scene . Like some ppl saying she is dead just because she is not in this scene and Joseph have her Guardian Spirit .

But guardian spirit can be share without needing owner’s death and in Real History ( you know William is real person from History right ? ) , William’s Japanese wife name is “Oyuki” and they have two children called Joseph ( Son ) and Susanna ( daughter ) . So it’s safe to assume that Okatsu is the Team Ninja’s version of Oyuki . So my theory is ... she is just living with William and her absence in this cutscene is most likely my above reasons . Dont worry , William and Okatsu will have one daughter ( Susanna ) later .

There are multiple reasons she didn’t appear in the scene .
1. Heard that developers have some problem with her Actress ( not confirmed)

2. Some directors like this kind of scenes , making viewers to think and rewarding fans who followed their series with dedication .

“ William now have a son and his son have guardian spirit that is very familiar to you ( if you played Nioh 1 ) . Now guess William’s wife :) it’s obvious but we are not telling you directly !!”
Like that .
最後修改者:The High Seraph; 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 2:38
Fraktal 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 2:37 
引用自 Witcher
Who the ♥♥♥♥ is playing this game for the story?

Players who like to enjoy playing games rather than grinding for mindless killings.

I said this game specifically.

I loved the Witcher series, and Pillars of Eternity. And many more I cannot name right now.

And this entire game is grinding for mindless killings to better our gear or level up.....
Farsha 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 3:56 
It's a story that is every well known in Japan, so game does not explain the characters too much and just twists it with Yokai craziness. Making it hard to follow for people from rest of the world, who did not recieve much education on Japan's history in school most likely.
If you read a bit about the 3 great unifiers of Japan on Wikipedia or some historical sources On Sengoku period, it becomes clear and easy to follow.
Biggest twist is that Hideoshi is 2 person team in this game and you as player are 1 half of it.
They could use that since real Hideoshi was born peasant and little is know about him before year 1570.

If find the story quite good, except the time travel of the 3 DLCs, I would preffer them continue in the same time line. Even if it would mean going more and more into Nioh 1 stuff.
最後修改者:Farsha; 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 4:02
Fraktal 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 4:05 
引用自 Alicia du Lys

I said this game specifically.

I loved the Witcher series, and Pillars of Eternity. And many more I cannot name right now.

And this entire game is grinding for mindless killings to better our gear or level up.....

I find the plot better here than in The Witcher 3. And yes, as a japanese translator, I know japanese history and mythology.

Baka!

Just kidding.

I’d love to go back to Japan for a visit.

Eat raw whale again. Horse. Yum!
Sir_Knight_Arthorias 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 4:11 
引用自 Alicia du Lys

I find the plot better here than in The Witcher 3. And yes, as a japanese translator, I know japanese history and mythology.

Baka!

Just kidding.

I’d love to go back to Japan for a visit.

Eat raw whale again. Horse. Yum!
We also eat horse in Belgium, aplearantly eating horse is not as common globally as I always used to think. As Friends from other countries were disgusted by it..
Fraktal 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 4:13 

Baka!

Just kidding.

I’d love to go back to Japan for a visit.

Eat raw whale again. Horse. Yum!
We also eat horse in Belgium, aplearantly eating horse is not as common globally as I always used to think. As Friends from other countries were disgusted by it..

Mine was served tartare.

Probably a cultural thing. How many cultures frown upon eating cows?

Dogs/cats?
DarylSurat 2021 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:14 
I enjoyed the story of Nioh 2. It is basically a story about the founding of Japan as a country made by Japanese developers, so they basically assumed players would know who these characters are. Imagine if George Washington or Abraham Lincoln showed up in an American videogame. That game would probably not see the need to explain a lot about who they are other than "greetings, player; I am Abraham Lincoln" since most people in America know who these important historical figures are.

Aside from the fact that Nioh 2 has all the mythical creatures and magic/Amrita stones etc (the enemies in the game are all interpretations of actual Japanese folklore monsters), there are two big changes from history. The first is the main conceit of the game being that Hideyoshi was actually two completely different people. The second (and ultimately the reason for doing the first) is the depiction of the death of Oda Nobunaga, who is basically their most famous/infamous historical figure from this time.

For hundreds of years (as in, like almost 450 years), the history teaches that Oda Nobunaga was betrayed by Akechi Mitsuhide. For over four centuries, the Akechi name has been considered synonymous with treason, like how Benedict Arnold is for American history. But nobody has ever known the reason for the overnight betrayal. The story of Nioh 2 suggests that Mitsuhide did NOT betray Nobunaga at all, and that he did NOT get randomly killed by bandits after a battle with Hideyoshi's forces. Nioh 2's story says that he faked his death and that it was in fact Hideyoshi who was actually behind it all, but since Hideyoshi ended up in charge his people ended up rewriting the historical records to hide the truth.

This idea has only started being discussed within the last 5 or 6 years or so, since a Japanese historian discovered he was a descendant of Mitsuhide's and was trying to uncover more details. It's still not accepted by most institutions as being true, but that's why Hideyoshi is the villain of the story of Nioh 2, yet also the hero of the story of Nioh 2. It's a fantasy way of reconciling a disputed historical record.
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