End of the Line

[dxmc]

I really liked the first Nioh and I had high expectations for this one. But I've reached the end of the line, it's just too much BS. I got as far as a boss called Shibata Katsuie and it's just one more ridiculously difficult, total BS fight in a long string of similar fights. He's ridiculously OP and his moves are all pretty much undodgeable and unblockable. Every dodge or attempt to hit him he just spams his Yokai power and blocks me, pretty much every time. He rushes back and forth across the whole length of the arena, spams multiple attacks at once and he;s just too difficult to manage. No combos work, they always get interrupted.

It's just too much. I started off liking this game and wrote a positive review. But now I'm just exhausted and depressed. I felt that I had a good build, but I traded toughness for agility which just doesn't work, you have to fight too many huge enemies in small spaces where dodging is just too difficult. But overall I feel that this game is just completely unfair, it's just about difficulty for difficulty's sake, constantly ramping up the difficulty to the point where you just get worn out and quit. You spend less than hour getting through the level to the boss fight, then you're stuck for hours. Everything else in the game becomes trivial.

Not going to try again, just wanted to put down my closing thoughts about this game. Very disappointing, and I really think there's such a thing as too hard, and gitting gud just doesn't matter. This is just too hardcore, and I say that having spent thousands of hours in the Dark Souls games, Surge games, Nioh 1, an others. I'm no stranger to tough games. But this one has just killed my interest in all Soulslikes.

/rant

[dxmc]

Originally posted by Angel:

can't wait to see what boss you post about next

Lol, this is the funny thing about this game. I just blasted through the next main mission and beat Tokichiro after just a few tries and in a little under a minute. The variation in difficulty is just really striking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liU7HbVgcO0

[aaronlg]

Damn, you really wrecked that chump! I think a big part of it is psychological. That other boss had you spooked out of attacking, which naturally makes things harder.

But also yeah, I'd say Tokichiro and the next few are definitely easier than Shibata Katsuie.

[Krypto]

Nioh 2 can be a hard game to get into. If you're not used to loot, you get a absolute metric ton of it very quickly. Stats, perks, bonuses - it can all be overwhelming. The combat is unforgiving - enemies hit hard and are extremely aggressive.

They also don't do a very good job of easing you into the experience. You're fighting difficult Yokai in the first mission. You have entire skill trees given to you right away. You have to learn the burst counter in the first level and depending on which form you choose, the timing for that counter is different. Yokai abilities are another wrinkle you need to get used to very quickly. The game piles so much ♥♥♥♥ on you right away and it comes across as poorly designed because of it. The second main boss, Enenra, has environmental hazards, burst counters, Yokai realm limiting your ki regeneration speed, super high damage combos that are also fast, and fire AOE's. It's a lot.

Personally, I think Team Ninja should have had a few main missions that focused on introducing mechanics that players could practice (aside from the training grounds), and then slowly open up the variety of mechanics as the game progresses, but nope, it's all thrown at you basically instantly.

It's a game that I want to eventually beat at least once, but I deal with anxiety in real life and unfortunately, it also translates to video games where a ton of ♥♥♥♥ dumped on me so quickly kills my interest.

[aaronlg]

Yeah, it's awesome Nioh 2 is such a complex game, but because the mechanics are so complex, I remember it was also hard to see the forest for all the trees at first. I'm guessing it might have been easier for people who started with the original Nioh.

The game's definitely super worth it, so I hope you keep trying eventually.

[dxmc]

The complexity really stands out and it's very absorbing figuring it out but at the same time I think I had more straight out fun in Sekiro where you have one weapon, one outfit, no pages and pages of stats. I like Nioh 2 but for different reasons, I like the challenge of figuring out the mechanics and coming up with a good character, it's a more creative process. But I think that whole process is diminished a lot by a lot of inconsistency in the game, like the variation in difficulty of the boss battles, with some taking minutes and others taking hours. To experienced players it's all become familiar but to first time NG players I would agree it can all be pretty daunting.

[Trehek]

It tends to be rather subjective which bosses are seen as difficult and which ones aren't. Some people really rage about Yatsu-no-Kami or Tatarimokke, others have trouble with Magara Naotaka or Shibata Katsuie. Some bosses are generally seen as tougher than others, but it depends on your build and playstyle, as well as the difficulty cycle you're playing on. Sometimes you just catch on to a bosses' moveset and rhytm. Other times you just don't.

[BOT Anna]

Originally posted by dxmc:

Originally posted by Angel:

can't wait to see what boss you post about next

Lol, this is the funny thing about this game. I just blasted through the next main mission and beat Tokichiro after just a few tries and in a little under a minute. The variation in difficulty is just really striking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liU7HbVgcO0

dude congrats, i really struggled with him my first playthrough

[aaronlg]

Originally posted by Trehek:

It tends to be rather subjective which bosses are seen as difficult and which ones aren't. Some people really rage about Yatsu-no-Kami or Tatarimokke, others have trouble with Magara Naotaka or Shibata Katsuie. Some bosses are generally seen as tougher than others, but it depends on your build and playstyle, as well as the difficulty cycle you're playing on. Sometimes you just catch on to a bosses' moveset and rhytm. Other times you just don't.

Definitely true! For me, Tatarimokke is the classic "why on earth do people find this so hard?" boss. She's also my favorite boss in the game.

[Lu2]

Originally posted by Krypto:

Nioh 2 can be a hard game to get into. If you're not used to loot, you get a absolute metric ton of it very quickly. Stats, perks, bonuses - it can all be overwhelming. The combat is unforgiving - enemies hit hard and are extremely aggressive.

They also don't do a very good job of easing you into the experience. You're fighting difficult Yokai in the first mission. You have entire skill trees given to you right away. You have to learn the burst counter in the first level and depending on which form you choose, the timing for that counter is different. Yokai abilities are another wrinkle you need to get used to very quickly. The game piles so much ♥♥♥♥ on you right away and it comes across as poorly designed because of it. The second main boss, Enenra, has environmental hazards, burst counters, Yokai realm limiting your ki regeneration speed, super high damage combos that are also fast, and fire AOE's. It's a lot.

Personally, I think Team Ninja should have had a few main missions that focused on introducing mechanics that players could practice (aside from the training grounds), and then slowly open up the variety of mechanics as the game progresses, but nope, it's all thrown at you basically instantly.

It's a game that I want to eventually beat at least once, but I deal with anxiety in real life and unfortunately, it also translates to video games where a ton of ♥♥♥♥ dumped on me so quickly kills my interest.

everthing is explained in dojo. but not imidietly . you need unlock all training missions . i strongly reccomend to pay attention in dojo to become boss that enemies will fear

[Yarimaz]

undodgeable? LMAO everything they throw at you in this game are dodgeable you just didn't do it right.

[Alpo]

Originally posted by dxmc:

In a good boss fight you should be able to make use of everything you've learned and all the skills you've developed. You should be able to have a good, straight up battle.

Totally agree. But I can say that from the beginning, the game gave us magic, ninjutsu, scampuss, sacred water, sacred salt. Use all of them. This game is not about fat rolling and hit.

You also have tons of yokai abilities (choose Gozuki and one that can enchant your weapon with water). I don't remember the yokai ability of this boss, but also choose a yokai form that can counter them. If your thoughness is low, you can't block, etc. Being a dodge god is harder than being a block god.