purity or corrupt

[Salted Tuna]

which is better? im partial to corruption weapons but would like to know what others think.

[Angel]

there are more things you can roll that will increase your overall damage with corruption weapons but they need babying a bit, it's honestly personal preference I think

if a good purity weapon drops for you use it, if a good corruption weapon drops for you can use that too

purity is easier to build for if that helps

[Salted Tuna]

Originally posted by Angel:

there are more things you can roll that will increase your overall damage with corruption weapons but they need babying a bit, it's honestly personal preference I think

if a good purity weapon drops for you use it, if a good corruption weapon drops for you can use that too

purity is easier to build for if that helps

well i like corruption more, how would you go about building such?

[Mander]

“Better” in this case, I’m afraid boils down to a personal choice, to be made after some deep thoughts on the matter. I’ll try to give you as much food for thoughts as possible then:

Izanagi Grace 7pieces + Susanoo 6 pieces + Oh-Ho as primary guardian spirit, is the best loadout for purity builds.

Magatsuhi Grace 7 pieces + Susanoo 6 pieces + Baku as primary guardian spirit, is the best loadout fur corruption builds.

Of the 2 above, the purity build performs a little better in term of pure damage: with 3rd level of Cleansing Prayer active (given by the 7 Iza piece), your global damage is 12% higher (is a lot, especially when you consider the attack STATS of your weapons). Reaching 3rd level of Cleansing Prayers before battle is also possible by simply using the Tatarimokke soul core ability and purify the instances of dark pools (Put Tatarimokke on your secondary guardian spirit, and you cycle the ability with the other buffs before going into battle).

Corruption builds are also heavily dependent on awakening your weapons, which is a harder “status” to control in battle: in turn, this mean that tempering “+ sentience charge” on accessories may be kinda mandatory, wasting a slot that could have been reserved for more damage or support. On the corruption side though, the guardian spirit Baku is overall better than Ho-Oh, with a lot more utility. Moreover, corrupted enemies will contribute to your ki regen, while being hardly capable of countering the corruption waves your weapons send their way…
In short, corruption builds are more heavily invested on min-maxing than purity builds: every perk for every pieces of armour/weapon must be more carefully considered.

Even then, personally at least and after having tried both extensively, I’m more for corruption than purity, BUT only because in the post-endgame content (underworld /depths), humanoid bosses are more painful to fight than yokai ones. Therefore, I wanted tools able to crush them as fast as possible.

Giving Toshimitsu a taste of his own medicine (corrupted odachi) and finishing him with a corrupted wave, is quite cathartic.

[CyndiLove]

Originally posted by Mander:

“Better” in this case, I’m afraid boils down to a personal choice, to be made after some deep thoughts on the matter. I’ll try to give you as much food for thoughts as possible then:

Izanagi Grace 7pieces + Susanoo 6 pieces + Oh-Ho as primary guardian spirit, is the best loadout for purity builds.

Magatsuhi Grace 7 pieces + Susanoo 6 pieces + Baku as primary guardian spirit, is the best loadout fur corruption builds.

Of the 2 above, the purity build performs a little better in term of pure damage: with 3rd level of Cleansing Prayer active (given by the 7 Iza piece), your global damage is 12% higher (is a lot, especially when you consider the attack STATS of your weapons). Reaching 3rd level of Cleansing Prayers before battle is also possible by simply using the Tatarimokke soul core ability and purify the instances of dark pools (Put Tatarimokke on your secondary guardian spirit, and you cycle the ability with the other buffs before going into battle).

Corruption builds are also heavily dependent on awakening your weapons, which is a harder “status” to control in battle: in turn, this mean that tempering “+ sentience charge” on accessories may be kinda mandatory, wasting a slot that could have been reserved for more damage or support. On the corruption side though, the guardian spirit Baku is overall better than Ho-Oh, with a lot more utility. Moreover, corrupted enemies will contribute to your ki regen, while being hardly capable of countering the corruption waves your weapons send their way…
In short, corruption builds are more heavily invested on min-maxing than purity builds: every perk for every pieces of armour/weapon must be more carefully considered.

Even then, personally at least and after having tried both extensively, I’m more for corruption than purity, BUT only because in the post-endgame content (underworld /depths), humanoid bosses are more painful to fight than yokai ones. Therefore, I wanted tools able to crush them as fast as possible.

Giving Toshimitsu a taste of his own medicine (corrupted odachi) and finishing him with a corrupted wave, is quite cathartic.

I think sometimes you just think too straightforward (not just this post, I'm sorry).

Izanagi is very powerful, but Magatsuhi is debatable, because it only gives you 20% damage (even Oyamatsumi can give you 14%), and that's only when awakening. Actually you can still use something like Ame-no-Uzume or Onmyo Austerity.

About the spirit, Ho-oh is almost mandatory (or you can use something like Sohaya) to proc purity instantly. But for corruption, since you can use Oboroguruma to proc corruption, Baku is not mandatory I think. You can use something else you like, and that actually may help you proc confusion.

Also, I think you cannot temper “+ sentience charge” on accessories, at least those +60%. These are stats with a star.

And another thing I want to say is that, if you are using an odachi, you can try Moonlit Snow (the normal version) on human. This I believe, with some practice, is the most efficient way vs humans for odachi. You guard? Your guard is crushed. You don't guard? You take huge damage.

[Mander]

Originally posted by Angerme Musume。:

Originally posted by Mander:

“Better” in this case, I’m afraid boils down to a personal choice, to be made after some deep thoughts on the matter. I’ll try to give you as much food for thoughts as possible then:

Izanagi Grace 7pieces + Susanoo 6 pieces + Oh-Ho as primary guardian spirit, is the best loadout for purity builds.

Magatsuhi Grace 7 pieces + Susanoo 6 pieces + Baku as primary guardian spirit, is the best loadout fur corruption builds.

Of the 2 above, the purity build performs a little better in term of pure damage: with 3rd level of Cleansing Prayer active (given by the 7 Iza piece), your global damage is 12% higher (is a lot, especially when you consider the attack STATS of your weapons). Reaching 3rd level of Cleansing Prayers before battle is also possible by simply using the Tatarimokke soul core ability and purify the instances of dark pools (Put Tatarimokke on your secondary guardian spirit, and you cycle the ability with the other buffs before going into battle).

Corruption builds are also heavily dependent on awakening your weapons, which is a harder “status” to control in battle: in turn, this mean that tempering “+ sentience charge” on accessories may be kinda mandatory, wasting a slot that could have been reserved for more damage or support. On the corruption side though, the guardian spirit Baku is overall better than Ho-Oh, with a lot more utility. Moreover, corrupted enemies will contribute to your ki regen, while being hardly capable of countering the corruption waves your weapons send their way…
In short, corruption builds are more heavily invested on min-maxing than purity builds: every perk for every pieces of armour/weapon must be more carefully considered.

Even then, personally at least and after having tried both extensively, I’m more for corruption than purity, BUT only because in the post-endgame content (underworld /depths), humanoid bosses are more painful to fight than yokai ones. Therefore, I wanted tools able to crush them as fast as possible.

Giving Toshimitsu a taste of his own medicine (corrupted odachi) and finishing him with a corrupted wave, is quite cathartic.

I think sometimes you just think too straightforward (not just this post, I'm sorry).

Izanagi is very powerful, but Magatsuhi is debatable, because it only gives you 20% damage (even Oyamatsumi can give you 14%), and that's only when awakening. Actually you can still use something like Ame-no-Uzume or Onmyo Austerity.

About the spirit, Ho-oh is almost mandatory (or you can use something like Sohaya) to proc purity instantly. But for corruption, since you can use Oboroguruma to proc corruption, Baku is not mandatory I think. You can use something else you like, and that actually may help you proc confusion.

Also, I think you cannot temper “+ sentience charge” on accessories, at least those +60%. These are stats with a star.

And another thing I want to say is that, if you are using an odachi, you can try Moonlit Snow (the normal version) on human. This I believe, with some practice, is the most efficient way vs humans for odachi. You guard? Your guard is crushed. You don't guard? You take huge damage.

I prefer to give pertaining advices, then indulging my flights of fancies. 😊
We could discuss theory and theory crafting for many posts, without being particularly useful for the OP: A or B, and why?
Magatsuhi 4 pieces give 100% more sentience charge AND 5 pieces give you 15% more damage to yokai ability, which goes quite nicely on top of Baku with its +10% anima charge (plus helpful soul cores, like Nightmare Bringer).
Perma-awakening with magatsuhi + accessories is almost possible (but you also need perks from shiftling tree).

This is what I meant with corruption builds being heavier on min-maxing: to shine, you need an ensemble of many different things working better together. While Purity does more damage and it isn’t so… smothering.
Ame no Uzume isn’t corruption related, it’s only melee related AND it’s quite harder to manage (doubly moot for this thread): you have to evade ALL enemy attacks to reach the higher than average bonus. I’m trying it only now because I’ve already 1k hours on Nioh2, and I… almost dislike it, because it forces me to use weapons, I’m not a fan of (DS, with the multiple I-frames).

Your idea on the Odachi is… different than mine or my experience: Moonlit Snow does little to guard abuser in the Depths, who are more than happy to retaliate the moment your attacks end, often instakilling you. Did you maybe mean “Swirling Snow”? Because that one breaks guards a lot better… and it was my go to for guard abuser (Toshi and Kukai, especially).

[CyndiLove]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by Angerme Musume。:

I think sometimes you just think too straightforward (not just this post, I'm sorry).

Izanagi is very powerful, but Magatsuhi is debatable, because it only gives you 20% damage (even Oyamatsumi can give you 14%), and that's only when awakening. Actually you can still use something like Ame-no-Uzume or Onmyo Austerity.

About the spirit, Ho-oh is almost mandatory (or you can use something like Sohaya) to proc purity instantly. But for corruption, since you can use Oboroguruma to proc corruption, Baku is not mandatory I think. You can use something else you like, and that actually may help you proc confusion.

Also, I think you cannot temper “+ sentience charge” on accessories, at least those +60%. These are stats with a star.

And another thing I want to say is that, if you are using an odachi, you can try Moonlit Snow (the normal version) on human. This I believe, with some practice, is the most efficient way vs humans for odachi. You guard? Your guard is crushed. You don't guard? You take huge damage.

I prefer to give pertaining advices, then indulging my flights of fancies. 😊
We could discuss theory and theory crafting for many posts, without being particularly useful for the OP: A or B, and why?
Magatsuhi 4 pieces give 100% more sentience charge AND 5 pieces give you 15% more damage to yokai ability, which goes quite nicely on top of Baku with its +10% anima charge (plus helpful soul cores, like Nightmare Bringer).
Perma-awakening with magatsuhi + accessories is almost possible (but you also need perks from shiftling tree).

This is what I meant with corruption builds being heavier on min-maxing: to shine, you need an ensemble of many different things working better together. While Purity does more damage and it isn’t so… smothering.
Ame no Uzume isn’t corruption related, it’s only melee related AND it’s quite harder to manage (doubly moot for this thread): you have to evade ALL enemy attacks to reach the higher than average bonus. I’m trying it only now because I’ve already 1k hours on Nioh2, and I… almost dislike it, because it forces me to use weapons, I’m not a fan of (DS, with the multiple I-frames).

Your idea on the Odachi is… different than mine or my experience: Moonlit Snow does little to guard abuser in the Depths, who are more than happy to retaliate the moment your attacks end, often instakilling you. Did you maybe mean “Swirling Snow”? Because that one breaks guards a lot better… and it was my go to for guard abuser (Toshi and Kukai, especially).

Ame no Uzume is just an example. You can use whatever you like. I actually don't like it that much.
The problem of Magatsuhi is, even without it, you can still enter awakening state pretty fast. And awakening state is a 30% damage buff.
If without Magatsuhi, you can hardly get awakening, then it's awesome.
If Magatsuhi lets the awakening state last longer, like duration +100%, then it will be very awesome.
But it doesn't. The duration is the same. So whether it is the best is debatable.

And for Odachi, I am sure I mean Moonlit Snow (not Redux, of course you need to hold the button every time). It breaks guard pretty hard, and unlike Swirling Snow it also hits every hard, and the ki cost is relatively. I used to like Swirling Snow. But after many tries, I fount if the enemy doesn't guard, the damage is very low. And even you manage to break his guard, what can you do? 1-2 hits then final blow? Not to mention its ki cost is relatively high. After using Swirling Snow for a period of time, I just find that using Moonlit Snow is much more effective. Like the mujina, I can kill him in the depth just using a backstab, then throw a water missile, then just a full Moonlit Snow (1st hit, 2nd blocked, 3rd guard is broken, 4th kill).

[Mander]

Swirling Snow -> Dragon Horn on break -> Ippon Datara -> Finishing Move -> GroundQuake -> Finishing Move -> Moonlit Snow from behind fully charged.
Or at least, this was my recipe for the punishing cake for guard abusers: you can use Bolting Boar as an opener and sew everything from Ippon Datara onward.
Sorry for the derail OP.

EDIT: the plus of Swirling Snow is that, until you've ki, no humanoid is fast enough to retaliate (depths included).

[Salted Tuna]

currently im in hayabusa gear poison with a purity fasha kusarigama ninja playstyle for what it sounds like depth's are going to be a pain in my butt lol.

[Mander]

Originally posted by dreadragon4562:

currently im in hayabusa gear poison with a purity fasha kusarigama ninja playstyle for what it sounds like depth's are going to be a pain in my butt lol.

Depths are the ultimate challenge Nioh 2 can offer.
Normal rules do not apply anymore, with all bosses gaining at least one insta kill attack and some attacks obtaining an improved hitbox.
It is possible to be insta killed by a dodge from a humanoid boss, for example.
The loot you obtain from them and in general is also improved, but the experience is... harsh XD

[CyndiLove]

Actually even in the depth, if you don't want to die, usually you will not be inta killed.
With Oyamatsumi and good stats you can have over 10000 health and as long as you have full health usually safe. (of course without penance stone)
I'm not saying you will be tanky but at least you cannot be killed by just a dodge attack. Using some yokai ability to tank is ok sometimes, especially if you have Onryoki. Or you can use Gozuki which will immediately interrupt enemy's attack. (datara is ok but usually Gozuki is faster)
Of course if the enemy is doing a combo, and you get hit, and you don't have enough ki to block, and you don't have enough anima, you are going to die (but before you die, don't forget using yokai shift to avoid death once)
About the loot, the best thing is that the graces of the loots are more likely to be the same as your current equipment, making it much easier to farm gears in the depths compared to other places. You can just repeat floor 6 until you got everything you want.

[I'm gaming]

Human bosses are a real problem of this game so corruption is better, though corruption needs some additional options to show its full capacity.

[SealedSecret]

I used to main Purity, but swapped to Corruption a while ago. Free 30% Damage, projectile on Strong Attacks, Ki Absorb, and can punch through Yokai Corruption resistance due to the extra buildup when Awakened, also easy to apply Corruption on Humans (Awakened or not).

The only condition of Corrupted Weapons is to hit your enemy (+Sentience Charge later on), so I prefer them mainly for that reason (because this condition doesn't change over time in the way that status buildup does).

With Purity focused setups/builds, you gotta rely on applying Purity which will get harder as time goes on (but not impossible, Purity Guardian Spirit attacks like Oh or Sohaya are very good at applying it).

Also Cleansing Prayer stacks rely on Yokai Pools, which can be pre-stacked using Tatarimokke and refreshed against Yokai Bosses/Enemies, but on a timer against Human enemies.

Nowadays, I utilize both Purity and Corruption. I use a Corrupted weapon with a Purity Guardian Spirit (currently Oh) to apply the elements when I want to. Having access to all elements is very nice and worth doing to apply/maintain Confusion whenever I want.

I use Ame-no-Uzume for a similar reason as Corruption, just gotta hit the enemy and gain stacks. I dislike Versatility because I have moments when I have to use an Active Skill that may not be ideal for the situation to maintain stacks.

[kripcision]

both?