human bosses are poorly designed

[steph_kage666]

between the infinite ki, the ability to dodge mid-combo or while getting hit and then instantly hitting back, blocking all the time and being pretty much unbreakable unless you are using a specific build, being able to dodge/attack when their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ki bar is RED(not to mention the fact that active skills that normally drain your ki bar a lot doesn't drain their ki bar AT ALL!!!), unblock-able 1hk moves/combos and having a billion ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ health on higher difficulties makes them incredibly frustrating and simply unfun to fight. how the ♥♥♥♥ are you supposed to beat the dojo missions on dream of the demon?!

[BIG E.]

Wich one tho ? Some of them are literally paper and will run out of ki within a single combo. So far i think most of the human bosses are easiest bosses in the game, there are exceptions.

[Mizurazu]

Human bosses do not have infinite ki. They can probably still dodge attack because you didn't hit/stun them and they just using the tiny bit of ki the second it recovers.
Not sure what you're doing wrong but human bosses do not have infinite ki.

[Medusahead]

Why don't you stop complaining and mashing buttons?

[shwarmizzle]

Originally posted by DE NIRO:

Wich one tho ? Some of them are literally paper and will run out of ki within a single combo. So far i think most of the human bosses are easiest bosses in the game, there are exceptions.

say that again on dream of the nioh, especially when you make it to the depths. Humans are full on cancer

[Giga]

They don't have infinite ki and you can totally break them. In fact, repeatedly breaking bosses is normal on higher difficulties.

My main problem with them is that they sometimes have really fast attacks or combos that can one-shot you. Since they're much smaller than yokai bosses, these moves are often a lot harder to spot and counter.

[GrayHound]

Originally posted by Medusahead:

Why don't you stop complaining and mashing buttons? :lunar2019laughingpig:

Well, he's right.

On the other hand, it's like that in every game, e.g. Vergil in DMCs, enemies in MGR... etc.
To make a game against an AI challenging, the AI always needs to cheat.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by cardinal持27w收BUFF高端CS饰:

Originally posted by DE NIRO:

Wich one tho ? Some of them are literally paper and will run out of ki within a single combo. So far i think most of the human bosses are easiest bosses in the game, there are exceptions.

say that again on dream of the nioh, especially when you make it to the depths. Humans are full on cancer

Well, if you know you're going to go up against a human, then know they will block a alot. What does this mean? Spec for break/ki damage/active skill breaks. Watch and marvel at their defenses dwindling before your eyes.

As for OP's complaint about them dodging mid combo? That is because they do a cut away, or flinch block, just like you can. They take a speciic set amount of hits and then dodge. This is why you vary your combos and strings so that doesn't happen.

[Remi]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by cardinal持27w收BUFF高端CS饰:

say that again on dream of the nioh, especially when you make it to the depths. Humans are full on cancer

Well, if you know you're going to go up against a human, then know they will block a alot. What does this mean? Spec for break/ki damage/active skill breaks. Watch and marvel at their defenses dwindling before your eyes.

As for OP's complaint about them dodging mid combo? That is because they do a cut away, or flinch block, just like you can. They take a speciic set amount of hits and then dodge. This is why you vary your combos and strings so that doesn't happen.

Humans are a mixed bag really. Some with jutsu can spam the entire arena while others actually can't defend themselves if you hit them together with your NPC buddy (depending on whether you get a good NPC or not). The issue is that every hit is a oneshot and they get random hyperarmour so you have to be careful or completely 100 to 0 them.

I've found out that human AI can't compute ranged melee weapon attacks like Arc of Chaos. If you hit their guard with the max arc of the skill it'll do insane Ki damage and they will stay in place because the AI thinks you're ranged? Either way they don't run up and I can easily deplete their Ki with yeet Scythe to get a grapple. Sadly that only does a 20th of their HP...

[Medusahead]

Originally posted by GrayHound:

Originally posted by Medusahead:

Why don't you stop complaining and mashing buttons?

Well, he's right.

On the other hand, it's like that in every game, e.g. Vergil in DMCs, enemies in MGR... etc.
To make a game against an AI challenging, the AI always needs to cheat.

How on earth does the AI "cheat" in DMC?

[IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

I agree. I was laughing and thinking human bosses are a joke on lower difficulties because my Odachi could just tank their Ki with its breaks, now on Dream of the Nioh and the Underworld human fights are super painful because like you said, they'll have a million HP. always block, never run out of ki even if you use nothing but guard break abilities, and they'll randomly instantly switch from a flinching animation in the middle of your combo and attack you, usually killing you in one hit with certain abilities even with really good gear.

I went from bullying them in a corner to having to drag the fight out into a really painful, slow baiting & kiting strategy because I don't want to waste 5 minutes of hacking away at them only to die to one random hit out of nowhere.

[Nanashi]

Originally posted by DE NIRO:

Wich one tho ? Some of them are literally paper and will run out of ki within a single combo. So far i think most of the human bosses are easiest bosses in the game, there are exceptions.

^this

You just have to be aggressive unlike against Yokai bosses. The latter allows you to watch them do their thing. Human bosses don't.

[steph_kage666]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by cardinal持27w收BUFF高端CS饰:

say that again on dream of the nioh, especially when you make it to the depths. Humans are full on cancer

Well, if you know you're going to go up against a human, then know they will block a alot. What does this mean? Spec for break/ki damage/active skill breaks. Watch and marvel at their defenses dwindling before your eyes.

As for OP's complaint about them dodging mid combo? That is because they do a cut away, or flinch block, just like you can. They take a speciic set amount of hits and then dodge. This is why you vary your combos and strings so that doesn't happen.

i know that there are builds which can melt ki, my issue is that if the game pretty much forces you to use a specific build just to make a fight bearable, that's bad design

[steph_kage666]

Originally posted by Nanashi:

Originally posted by DE NIRO:

Wich one tho ? Some of them are literally paper and will run out of ki within a single combo. So far i think most of the human bosses are easiest bosses in the game, there are exceptions.

^this

You just have to be aggressive unlike against Yokai bosses. The latter allows you to watch them do their thing. Human bosses don't.

the problem is i run out of ki way before i break them and their ki regens in a couple of seconds

[steph_kage666]

Originally posted by Reachie:

Human bosses do not have infinite ki. They can probably still dodge attack because you didn't hit/stun them and they just using the tiny bit of ki the second it recovers.
Not sure what you're doing wrong but human bosses do not have infinite ki.

by infinite ki i mean their ki regens in a couple of seconds and they have a huge ki bar. mumyo's ki bar was red and she was not only able to dodge, but she also used an active skill immediately after. if the player has a red ki bar they cannot dodge. also like i said when they are using active skill it does not drain their ki at all which is total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[steph_kage666]

Originally posted by Medusahead:

Why don't you stop complaining and mashing buttons? :lunar2019laughingpig:

first of all what was the point of writing a comment without providing any counter arguments or advice?
secondly, i may not be amazing at this game but i would not have made it to dream of the demon by just mashing buttons.
thirdly i am not the only person who has had this complaint. plenty of people have noticed how unbalanced the human bosses are since the first game.