Proper Fist build

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Surprisingly there isn't enough info on Nioh 2 builds online(save for some videos of streamers that only cover late late game and very specific items that I don't have access to).

I've been playing with fist weapons from the start and currently I'm on Ng+ and I'm using the Demon hand fists +9 coupled with the Brave Demon hunter armor set. I don't have the gauntlets but I'm at 7 pieces thanks to Yasakani Magatama.

I have
99 strength
25 constitution
12 courage
32 heart
50 something stamina(I had to invest in this to keep my agi at B)
10 skill
30 dex
20 magic

I was actually doing fine through out NG+ but round the 3rd DLC game started to feel extremely hard due to the fact that I don't seem to deal enough damage and I'm recieving alot. So I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong when it comes to my build and gear.

Any tips are appreciated.

[Edifier]

Stats mean basically nothing for the first 300 levels in terms of damage.

What you want is to just max out your levels on gears and keep them on par with what's dropping.

Rather than going for a full set, look for set items with bonus to HP on the first point. It'll help with staying alive and I doubt you'll lose much on the damage part.

The other thing you can do is save the old grandpa that is also a blacksmith. If you haven't gotten him yet you've missed his mission.
With him you can remodel armor pieces so they have higher armor. This will increase the weight of the equip if you pick the last option.

[Crayon-Sha]

Your courage and heart are really low. Fists are ki-heavy weapons so I expect you run out of ki a lot which will hamper the amount of attacks and damage you can do. You shouldn't need 50(!!!) stamina either to remain at B agility unless you're using very heavy armour which I don't recommend. You'd be better off using predominately medium armour with the occasional piece of light heavy armour if you feel like it (and investing the levels in either courage or heart)
Otherwise just try to use Yokai abilities and skills properly and chain attacks for the damage boost which Unbroken gives you. Since you're using a corrupted weapon it'll be worth tempering "corruption accumulation" on your weapons and accessories, and, if you can, equip an accessory with increased damage against enemies afflicted with corruption.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Edifier:

Stats mean basically nothing for the first 300 levels in terms of damage.

What you want is to just max out your levels on gears and keep them on par with what's dropping.

Rather than going for a full set, look for set items with bonus to HP on the first point. It'll help with staying alive and I doubt you'll lose much on the damage part.

The other thing you can do is save the old grandpa that is also a blacksmith. If you haven't gotten him yet you've missed his mission.
With him you can remodel armor pieces so they have higher armor. This will increase the weight of the equip if you pick the last option.

wrong.. many times debunked already
https://tryrolling.com/nioh-2-stats-guide/

here is some tip for fists build
https://ethugamer.com/2020/11/02/nioh-2-fist-build-dragon-ninjas-apprentice/

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Thanks for the replies guys I really appreciate it. I’m on mobile so I cant type a lenghty reply but I will once I get on mu desktop. I actually didn’t try to remodel my armor, I have the old black smith dude tho.

As for heart and courage yes They are low. Should I respect and get them to max and remodel my weapons to have better heart scaling ? Do you think it is worth it ?

[GrayHound]

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Thanks for the replies guys I really appreciate it. I’m on mobile so I cant type a lenghty reply but I will once I get on mu desktop. I actually didn’t try to remodel my armor, I have the old black smith dude tho.

As for heart and courage yes They are low. Should I respect and get them to max and remodel my weapons to have better heart scaling ? Do you think it is worth it ?

No need to remodel since fists scale with heart anyways.

I'm using fists as well and I pump strength and heart (currently both at 70). Large ki pool makes combat way easier.

(Another good thing is that I can switch to sword/duals to spice things up since they scale well, too.)

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Thanks for the replies guys I really appreciate it. I’m on mobile so I cant type a lenghty reply but I will once I get on mu desktop. I actually didn’t try to remodel my armor, I have the old black smith dude tho.

As for heart and courage yes They are low. Should I respect and get them to max and remodel my weapons to have better heart scaling ? Do you think it is worth it ?

look at those guides what i link in my post..
and no, dont remodel armor to have higher armor and weight
your issue is low dmg as u say and probably low ki / ki regen.. then boost this things as @Crayon-Sha say.. or/and look for some builds

but keep in mind stats are matter

u can even temper on weapon bonus attack A+ (stat) (A- basic and with full familiarity its A+)

[Mr.Hmm]

Originally posted by GrayHound:

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Thanks for the replies guys I really appreciate it. I’m on mobile so I cant type a lenghty reply but I will once I get on mu desktop. I actually didn’t try to remodel my armor, I have the old black smith dude tho.

As for heart and courage yes They are low. Should I respect and get them to max and remodel my weapons to have better heart scaling ? Do you think it is worth it ?

No need to remodel since fists scale with heart anyways.

I'm using fists as well and I pump strength and heart (currently both at 70). Large ki pool makes combat way easier.

(Another good thing is that I can switch to sword/duals to spice things up since they scale well, too.)

Can remodel Fists to scale EVEN BETTER with Heart tho.

[Zukabazuka]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Edifier:

Stats mean basically nothing for the first 300 levels in terms of damage.

What you want is to just max out your levels on gears and keep them on par with what's dropping.

Rather than going for a full set, look for set items with bonus to HP on the first point. It'll help with staying alive and I doubt you'll lose much on the damage part.

The other thing you can do is save the old grandpa that is also a blacksmith. If you haven't gotten him yet you've missed his mission.
With him you can remodel armor pieces so they have higher armor. This will increase the weight of the equip if you pick the last option.

wrong.. many times debunked already
https://tryrolling.com/nioh-2-stats-guide/

here is some tip for fists build
https://ethugamer.com/2020/11/02/nioh-2-fist-build-dragon-ninjas-apprentice/

Gear will generate more damage in early levels than maxing a stats in Nioh. Because when you have a weapon damage of 1500 and putting in say 10 levels and you get around 40 attack it will not add much damage at all. I would need to get an attack value of 300 or more to see any difference.
With gear I can actually get that difference. gear has +10/30 my damage is getting a far higher boost than me putting 50 stats point in Strength.

Because +1 is equal to 10 level on the weapon. So its just better.

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Thanks for the replies guys I really appreciate it. I’m on mobile so I cant type a lenghty reply but I will once I get on mu desktop. I actually didn’t try to remodel my armor, I have the old black smith dude tho.

As for heart and courage yes They are low. Should I respect and get them to max and remodel my weapons to have better heart scaling ? Do you think it is worth it ?

look at those guides what i link in my post..
and no, dont remodel armor to have higher armor and weight
your issue is low dmg as u say and probably low ki / ki regen.. then boost this things as @Crayon-Sha say.. or/and look for some builds

but keep in mind stats are matter

u can even temper on weapon bonus attack A+ (stat) (A- basic and with full familiarity its A+)

Thx for the guides. The first guide however doesn’t include fist stat maximizatiın for some reason. The 2nd guide is pretty good but I think it is optimized for dream of wise difficultt and unfortunatelly every single piece of equipment and Magic/ninjutsu/soul cores is different than the ones I’m using. So I’ll have to do like a complete overhaul to my character to replicate it.

As for guardian spirit, what are some good primaries and secondaries.

[Edifier]

Originally posted by Noeat:

wrong.. many times debunked already
https://tryrolling.com/nioh-2-stats-guide/

here is some tip for fists build
https://ethugamer.com/2020/11/02/nioh-2-fist-build-dragon-ninjas-apprentice/

You have not shown proof that stats really matter for damage in this game.
What matters the most is gears and the perks on said gears. The stats themselves wouldn't make a difference if it was 50 or 99 or higher. Then we have what attribute you put onto your own skills too.

The links you give are just guides on stats but it doesn't show the real damage difference between the different stat levels.

Originally posted by Noeat:

look at those guides what i link in my post..
and no, dont remodel armor to have higher armor and weight
your issue is low dmg as u say and probably low ki / ki regen.. then boost this things as @Crayon-Sha say.. or/and look for some builds

but keep in mind stats are matter

u can even temper on weapon bonus attack A+ (stat) (A- basic and with full familiarity its A+)

You get free extra armor if you pick the refine option. You don't need to go for the one that weight more but as long as it doesn't go above your weight limit for the rank you aim for it doesn't hurt you.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Originally posted by Noeat:

look at those guides what i link in my post..
and no, dont remodel armor to have higher armor and weight
your issue is low dmg as u say and probably low ki / ki regen.. then boost this things as @Crayon-Sha say.. or/and look for some builds

but keep in mind stats are matter

u can even temper on weapon bonus attack A+ (stat) (A- basic and with full familiarity its A+)

Thx for the guides. The first guide however doesn’t include fist stat maximizatiın for some reason. The 2nd guide is pretty good but I think it is optimized for dream of wise difficultt and unfortunatelly every single piece of equipment and Magic/ninjutsu/soul cores is different than the ones I’m using. So I’ll have to do like a complete overhaul to my character to replicate it.

As for guardian spirit, what are some good primaries and secondaries.

there is even DotD part..
but look here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/jwn5y6/fists_build/
its probably close to your build

[&y]

How does your equipment look in terms of damage properties? You can have a +ki damage% roll and a +damage % roll on each piece of armor as well as your weapon, active skill variants usually being better than normal melee properties.

You're probably going to end up with more umbracite than you know what to do with so you should try to temper damage% on your equipment if you haven't done that already.

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Thx for the guides. The first guide however doesn’t include fist stat maximizatiın for some reason. The 2nd guide is pretty good but I think it is optimized for dream of wise difficultt and unfortunatelly every single piece of equipment and Magic/ninjutsu/soul cores is different than the ones I’m using. So I’ll have to do like a complete overhaul to my character to replicate it.

As for guardian spirit, what are some good primaries and secondaries.

there is even DotD part..
but look here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/jwn5y6/fists_build/
its probably close to your build

Thanks I might actually give respeccing a shot.

Originally posted by &y:

How does your equipment look in terms of damage properties? You can have a +ki damage% roll and a +damage % roll on each piece of armor as well as your weapon, active skill variants usually being better than normal melee properties.

You're probably going to end up with more umbracite than you know what to do with so you should try to temper damage% on your equipment if you haven't done that already.

Yeah I tinkered a little with tempering.
My fist have Ki damage and attack bonus dexterity and I have 30 dex, so sadly I couldn't get strength or stamina on attack bonus.

On way of the strong getting a good roll is really hard. I usually run out of money before I can get a decent roll.