Golden Castle - Mezuki/Gozuki ... really? (Rant)

[Voxrox]

So ... Golden Castle. Dr. Wily "Best of" Boss rush ... alright. Met Lady Osakkabe already, can see how ugly that battle will be but decided to explore a little more before wasting 500 rice for elixirs on her...

And found that Boss-Picture of Bull and Horse...and yes, I understand it seems to be optional.

But who the eff had the wonderful idea to put those two bosses in one tiny room together???

Both have weapons that almost reach half the room, there are crystals blocking escapes, horse-dude shoots homing projectiles slowing your ki, when you hit one the other one will surely get after you, they are both so big the camera gets obstruced close to walls so I cant even see where I am and what is happening...

Seriously...two bosses. Alright. Smough and Orstein etc. I get it. But those two at least had an arena you could reposition yourself, trying to seperate them etc. In this fight here? It is just chaos and mayhem until I am dead, often without knowing who of the two did the killing blow, because it is just a mess of graphics on screen...

And I have to say, completeing this rant: What I hate the most (and I actually love this game and will keep playing anyway, masochist I am) are the boss arenas...no fun at all.

If you have bosses constantly rushing you, constantly on your throat like Mr. Spearman Maede? Plus occasional AOE, plus almost oneshotting attacks with huge reach? Or huge bosses like Kasha Hotwheels? And place them in small tiny arenas?

No fun, just artifical stress...

Rant over. First Git Gud comment gets a plushy Kodama ...

[Dan Niton]

A way to beat them is to first kill the bull. Bull does not turn the entire arena into yokai realm unlike the horse. Once the bull is dead, then you are free to beat the living crap out of the horse. Individually they are not that difficult at this point but I agree, 2 of them together in a very small arena and with so many crystals blocking your way is literally artificial garbage.

But personally, I still find Saito Toshimitsu to be single handedly THE WORST BOSS in the game. Worse than fighting both bull and horse at the same time.

引用自 Apokalyptusbonbon：

Are you seriously saying they are worse than Ornstein and Smough? Gozuki and Mezuki deal nearly no damage while also being kind of slow. Shouldnt even call them bosses tbh.

If they deal nearly no damage to you, then its so damn obvious that you're way over levelled. No s--t its easy.

[Powercrank]

引用自 Dan Niton：

A way to beat them is to first kill the bull. Bull does not turn the entire arena into yokai realm unlike the horse. Once the bull is dead, then you are free to beat the living crap out of the horse. Individually they are not that difficult at this point but I agree, 2 of them together in a very small arena and with so many crystals blocking your way is literally artificial garbage.

But personally, I still find Saito Toshimitsu to be single handedly THE WORST BOSS in the game. Worse than fighting both bull and horse at the same time.

引用自 Apokalyptusbonbon：

Are you seriously saying they are worse than Ornstein and Smough? Gozuki and Mezuki deal nearly no damage while also being kind of slow. Shouldnt even call them bosses tbh.

If they deal nearly no damage to you, then its so damn obvious that you're way over levelled. No s--t its easy.

or maybe you should stop playing a light armor glass canon build then complaining about dying fast. put some points in constitution. they do, in fact, have severely reduced damage compared to their normal solo counterparts.

[GrayHound]

引用自 Powerbeard：

引用自 Dan Niton：

A way to beat them is to first kill the bull. Bull does not turn the entire arena into yokai realm unlike the horse. Once the bull is dead, then you are free to beat the living crap out of the horse. Individually they are not that difficult at this point but I agree, 2 of them together in a very small arena and with so many crystals blocking your way is literally artificial garbage.

But personally, I still find Saito Toshimitsu to be single handedly THE WORST BOSS in the game. Worse than fighting both bull and horse at the same time.


If they deal nearly no damage to you, then its so damn obvious that you're way over levelled. No s--t its easy.

or maybe you should stop playing a light armor glass canon build then complaining about dying fast. put some points in constitution. they do, in fact, have severely reduced damage compared to their normal solo counterparts.

Yeah, no. I went through NG doing missions on exactly my level in medium/heavy armor, being around 69% encumbrance the whole time with ~20 stamina, 20 endurance and nearly everything killed me in two hits. Those two deal lower damage than normally but still not that low.

You all must either be playing a different game or really are way overlevelled.

Edit: That's not a complaint, though, I managed just fine. I just doubt you can be even remotely tanky without either C agility or steel talisman.

[Rasluka]

引用自 GrayHound：

引用自 Powerbeard：

or maybe you should stop playing a light armor glass canon build then complaining about dying fast. put some points in constitution. they do, in fact, have severely reduced damage compared to their normal solo counterparts.

Yeah, no. I went through NG doing missions on exactly my level in medium/heavy armor, being around 69% encumbrance the whole time with ~20 stamina, 20 endurance and nearly everything killed me in two hits. Those two deal lower damage than normally but still not that low.

You all must either be playing a different game or really are way overlevelled.

Edit: That's not a complaint, though, I managed just fine. I just doubt you can be even remotely tanky without either C agility or steel talisman.

Was your gear underleveled? I wasn't overleveled by the time i reached them on NG and i don't remember them hitting hard at all, they were more of an annoyance than a threat

[GrayHound]

引用自 Guide Dragon：

Was your gear underleveled? I wasn't overleveled by the time i reached them on NG and i don't remember them hitting hard at all, they were more of an annoyance than a threat

Always at my level, I optimized for best damage and defense nearly every mission.

I agree that they were weaker than normally, i.e. I could probably take ~3 direct hits against them.

[Pelikan]

Depends on your damage reduction stat too (negates % dmg), not only about the defense and hp stat. If you have lower hp but higher dmg reduction, chances are you may take less damage.

If you use light armor, you must use either or both protection and quick change ( and get hp regen and possibly steel talisman) . The points that you did not put in stamina for a heavier armor must go to magic/ninjutsu if you want to have survivability in light armor.

This is true for all boss fights. Based on my Nioh1 experience, you can only rely on dodging only with light armor when you know the game and enemy moves by heart and got very good at anticipating them in my opinion ( but you still need a lot of projectile dmg reduction ).