Why coop?

[Sokurah]

So i'm no big fan of coop anyway but i'm watching a lets play rn and it kinds ruins the game.

First of all its kinda chaos with two Partners and many strong enemies just get ganked to death even bosses.

It doesnt even look like there is any compensation like hp or ki meter on bosses.

It takes away the challange. Thats why i never coop. Maybe for fun after finish the game but never the first run.

What you think?

[Sir_Knight_Arthorias]

It's optional, I don't see why you'd complain about it

[Sokurah]

I'm not complain for once 😁

I'm just asking why ppl do it. Just curious. It just doesnt seem fun to me. Kinda makes the game pointlessly easy.

Doesnt mean it cant be fun for other.

[Aryend]

Random encounters isn't the only coop in the game, there's also expeditions mode which puts new enemies in missions and buffs bosses hp and damage quite a bit, plus there's a shared health bar and once that's depleted it's game over and you gotta start the missions from scratch.
Random encounters is basically your Souls easy way out when you're stuck or don't feel like doing a particularly difficult section (or a good farming option for phantoms)

[Sokurah]

Yes. Taking about the easy way out. Well to each their own i guess 🤗

[Aryend]

Also, tbf, at some point in Dream of the Wise the game can start to feel quite frustrating at points, specially when you're starting out and your build isn't up to scratch yet... I'm not ashamed to say I summoned once or twice when I got really frustrated starting out in DotW.
*looks at 4k+ damage skelly lance stab instakill*

[Sokurah]

Well but you already talk about ng+ stuff. Not just the base game. Thats maybe another story.

[VeraelHasta]

I'm summoning for some bosses after NG just because I'm not really interested in dealing with their ♥♥♥♥ again. Like Jumpy Birb Boy in first DLC.

Also big bosses are especially vulnerable in coop. When 3 people start to spam soul cores and Onmyo/Ninjutsu, they get stunlocked easly. Fast human-like bosses are not so easy.

[Lamiosa]

I only played coop a few times at the very beginning, if I died to boss to get help.
But then again I always did not feel good, because especially if you are new to game, people might get angry at you. Never really saw negative reaction, but guess some might have get headache of me, because I did not know much about the game back to that time, lol.

[SMM Emperor Lucifer]

Some ignorant "journalists" lamented the fact that Dark Souls didn't start you off with a difficulty option menu at the very beginning of the game with a clearly marked "easy mode". Their hot takes went viral, despite how they were blatantly misinforming the public. Others meanwhile lament that there is a far more casual way to approach these games, very much akin to what would commonly be referred to as an "easy mode".

I beat the game with three different characters on PS4 in the last 6 months, but I didn't get the DLC on there, nor do I want to pay to play online. Breezing through the main game on my fourth character, this time on PC with the DLC included and free to play online, is gonna get me to the DLC faster.

Ultra hardcore difficulty was never a requirement for making a good Soulslike game. Sometimes you just want to relax with a very casual speedrun. It's not like the existence of co-op takes away anything from the experience of people who don't want to use it themselves. You're welcome to do a level 1 playthrough, no armor, no weapons, using a Guitar Hero controller if you so choose. I'm sure somebody somewhere would be impressed to see it.

[Raemnant]

When I played Nioh 1 I did a good bit of co-op, but it was only on my second playthrough I had started a few years after the game came out. Finally completing the game was my goal, but the Covid outbreak was in full bloom and I had so much free time, I wasnt in any rush to finally get to the end of the game

I just really enjoyed going in with random people, hopefully new players, and goofing around, helping them kill stuff and clear bosses, transforming into a Kodama, being silly with emotes, and finally blowing myself up with the big bomb ninjutsu before leaving when its all done

I havent bothered with co-op in Nioh 2, I generally stay away from multiplayer unless its with actual friends. I never did any co-op in Dark Souls, and tried not to summon players for anything as well. I enjoy the single player experience too much, but there is potential for some silly fun if you want to have it

[Sokurah]

Its not about getting angry at ppl for playing coop. I would get angry at myself when i would resolve to coop 😁

I helped out one or two evenings in DS3 just for fun and it was okay. But on the other hand i never felt the need to do it again.

If you finished the game and after that have fun just derping around with a friend there is nothing wrong about that.

But let you beeing carried tru the game and coop on bosses fast. I just thing you cheat yourself from getting a good game experience.

I asked on reddit elden ring about offline mode (first run no coop no Message) and ppl generally agreed that thats how a first run should be for them.

[Valeriya]

They are points of view, any run is very difficult if are not strong enough and many times need help, i don't understand what your point is, if you don't like playing coop you can just play alone, the game is beautiful especially in coop.

[Ace]

It just feels like you want to complain about something, but have nothing to complain about.

You've already answered your own question with:

Originally posted by Sokurah:

I'm not complain for once 😁

I'm just asking why ppl do it. Just curious. It just doesnt seem fun to me. Kinda makes the game pointlessly easy.

Doesnt mean it cant be fun for other.

Fun is subjective, what you find fun is not the same what other person finds fun, someone might have fun while cheating and having infinite HP, someone else might have fun busting their ass and trying to beat this game with no armor or weapons, who cares?

[Sokurah]

No this is just a discussion. Ppl like different things i know that.

But failing and having difficulties and overcome them is part of these games imo. 🤗

[Ace]

Originally posted by Sokurah:

No this is just a discussion. Ppl like different things i know that.

But failing and having difficulties and overcome them is part of these games imo. 🤗

It really isn't, at the end of the day it's just a game and its' goal is your entertainment. What you find entertaining is totally up to you, that's about it.