Ninjutsu still more OP than Onmyo?

[PhoenixWing]

Hello,

I am playing an Onmyo/Glaive build and want to focus on Magic. I am playing with my friend and is having a blast (We're still in NG difficulty though).

Recently I have searched about the Onmyo and Ninjutsu and found out about how the feathers are OP and more damaging than any Onmyo magic. Many of the info source is a bit dated though (last year perhaps) so I would like to ask how Magic-focused Onmyo build compares to Dex-focused Ninjutsu build? Or have anything changed recently?

Thanks in advance!

[Shotgun Malise]

Empowered Onmyo lets you restock your favorite Onmyo and gives you a self applied damage buff for casting spells.

Favored transfers are untouched so that you can spam stuff.

[Shakoris]

The problem with the feathers is you need to burst counter to cancel the animation. Granted, you need to do that with magic until you unlock a faster casting time. I don't think Enlightenment Mystic Art) affects the feathers, but I don't know for sure since I don't use ninjutsu except for the buffs. The description says it shouldn't work on feathers indirectly.

You can get untouched jutsu for both to have more jutsu indirectly. Feathers cost a lot of slots though and may not be worth the damage. The comparison of damage might be bad considering they may not have calculated 4 feathers vs 12 magic shots and etc.

[PhoenixWing]

Thanks for the comments! It’s also quite hard to find out how much each spell do at the same magic / dex stats, not to mention the damage feathers do to enemy with ki / out of ki.

I think I will stick to onmyo for the time being as I also enjoy the buffs they have :3

[PhoenixWing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAojMTYYHoY
Found a guy tested onmyo vs ninjutsu at same power (I think he edited the save values though).
I'm not sure if this simulation is accurate but if it is, Ninjutsu seems more powerful, not to mention it deals x5 damage to enemies out of ki. I know the amount that can be carried is a bit less but the difference is quite huge.

[Yal]

Especially in higher difficulties, the faster casting time for onmyo magic helps a LOT in getting hits in.

Demon/magic is also a really good combo with a bunch of "anima charge on onmyo hit" + "anima charge when dealing elemental damage" (and also "anima charge on projectile hit"? Not sure if it stacks with the other two but I got some just in case) abilities, you can get ~2 anima per basic fireball which lets you spam demon abilities with reckless abandon.

(Some of the ultimate Divine Graces you get in NG++++ territory also gives you "untouched jutsu" (both ninjutsu and onmyo at once) so in the postgame you don't even need to choose one or the other)

[PhoenixWing]

I see. It seems Onmyo is good in terms of sets that synergize with it. That's reassuring. Thanks!

[WyldeChyld]

I'm currently running Omoikane's Grace, which is a great way to make a dual Dex and Magic build more powerful in the later stages. I'm farming for Onmyo Austerity+ gear to add, which will allow my melee attack to be increased by my Magic power and other nifty additions. It's an interesting build type that I've not tried before this and it was great to figure out that there was a way to be Magic and Dex focused without being so squishy that I can't fight up close with my Fists.

I got a great skill drop early on in the run called Flame Dragon Scroll which is a Ninjutsu Skill so I continued to raise both Dex and Magic even though I knew I wanted to focus more on Magic. The skill was that helpful and is still pretty damned powerful against most enemies so it changed the course of my build and then I started looking for an Armor set that would help. Turns out, it was a Grace and an Armor set together that has allowed the journey to be much more enjoyable than I expected as their are so many ways to customize to the exact play style that you're in the mood for. One of the major strengths of the game.

Figured I'd try and recruit some other dual Jutsu and Caster folk for the cause, whatever the cause turns out to be.