Maximum Survivors in Trade Scenario?

[Jaggid Edje]

Does anyone know what the maximum number of survivors the game lets you have in the Trading scenario? And whether those maximums are 'total' or separate values for owners vs. hired help?

I'm playing a long trading scenario at the moment and my hired hands keep marrying into the family (which makes them owners too), so I'm just curious if that happening is also increasing the total survivors I could recruit.

[Cotaks]

there is no upper limit

[Seraphiel Darkstar]

keep in mind that the more survivors you have - the bigger enemy waves will you get.
e.g. if you start with 15+ survivors - the very first wave can be way over 100 bugs, and unless you managed to rush building a perimeter fence and a flamer killbox - it might be very brutal for your barely armed survivors.
later waves can also be very taxing on your pc, if you have more than a dozen survivors, compound is made of carbon, you have big farm and many animals and tons of resources and turrets - waves can easily exceed 700+ flyers or 1500+ landbound enemies, and game engine is not dealing with that too well.

[Jaggid Edje]

@Seraphiel Darkstar, all of those things, and how much, if any, they impact the size of attack waves is a factor of the moon you choose, further modified by the difficulty settings.

I am using a custom moon that I made so that the survivor count has reduced impact and resources acquired have (literally) no impact on the size of enemy waves. I made it specifically because of the 'game engine' issues you mentioned.

[ZeroKarma]

In my experience so far? 3. I have started 5 times now and got to year 4 in each and none of those games I have had another colonist join. Every mission I turn up ti find dead folks. Nobody ever wanders by. I gave up each time because after 4 years it was so much of a slog to grind with 3 people and the bugs were too much. I don't understand how this is happening. Surely I'm not that unlucky?

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by ZeroKarma:

In my experience so far? 3. I have started 5 times now and got to year 4 in each and none of those games I have had another colonist join. Every mission I turn up ti find dead folks. Nobody ever wanders by. I gave up each time because after 4 years it was so much of a slog to grind with 3 people and the bugs were too much. I don't understand how this is happening. Surely I'm not that unlucky?

Colonists don't just 'join' in the trading scenario, you have to use the 'contact' option on the trading pod, and the top option is to post a job offer. You then may (or may not) get someone contacting you, and if you accept them you have to pay them a salary.

That's the only way to get more people in that scenario, so use the job offer whenever it is available until you have how many you want.

I'm up to 10 total survivors in my current trading scenario run. 7 of them are now 'owners' and 3 are hirelings that I have to pay. The way I got more owners than the initial 3 is through marriage. If a 'farm owner' survivor marries one of the hirelings, they become an owner and no longer collect a salary.
Also worth mentioning, they remain an owner even if they divorce later.

[Bjørn]

Originally posted by ZeroKarma:

In my experience so far? 3. I have started 5 times now and got to year 4 in each and none of those games I have had another colonist join. Every mission I turn up ti find dead folks. Nobody ever wanders by. I gave up each time because after 4 years it was so much of a slog to grind with 3 people and the bugs were too much. I don't understand how this is happening. Surely I'm not that unlucky?

Haven't tried the trade scenario yet, but I don't think you find people on expeditions there, like in the crash scenario. If I understand it correctly, you hire people for money, and they can join permanently if they marry one of you other colonists. Something like that.

(Jaggid's post above was more useful :D)

[76561199056944839]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

Does anyone know what the maximum number of survivors the game lets you have in the Trading scenario? And whether those maximums are 'total' or separate values for owners vs. hired help?

I'm playing a long trading scenario at the moment and my hired hands keep marrying into the family (which makes them owners too), so I'm just curious if that happening is also increasing the total survivors I could recruit.

As far as I'm aware, there's not a hard limit on how many farm owners and workers you can have in your trading outpost :)

[TargetLost]

How did you manage to get so many marriage?

Seems to be the way to get a large base. So I am intriged to do that too and seems you have found a frutible way.

As Info: In my 10+ year Trading outpost game I had 1 marriage and that was between two of the already initial survivours. But I didn't really knew you can get new owners through marriage so i didn't try.

[Jaggid Edje]

I didn't do anything special, really. It is the first playthrough that I had ANY marriages, and for some reason they are rampant in this particular playthrough. 3 of the marriages were to Quinn. He gets married, and within days is starting to eye up someone else. LOL

I will say though, that the biggest thing that seems to help with relationship building is having the people work right next to each other, a lot.
Quinn, as my main researcher for the first 3 years, was always on the research desk and I had a workbench next to it, a tailor bench behind it, and a soldering bench to the other side. The people he ended up marrying were all crafters who regularly worked at those stations.

I'm also playing a 'long' game for the scenario. I modded the cost of the ownership deed to be 25M instead of just 1M, which means this game is also going much longer than a normal trade scenario playthrough. That would be the other reason I've had so many marriages.
I'm on year 7.

[Elgar]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

If a 'farm owner' survivor marries one of the hirelings, they become an owner and no longer collect a salary.

What happens if two hirelings get married ? (Serious question.)

[wcbarney]

Using the "Beyond Stranded" mod, I've had as many as 18 survivors in some scenarios, but not the trading scenario. My last play-through of the trade scenario I didn't use any mods, and managed to win the scenario in less than 3 years on insane difficulty with 5 hirelings along with my original 3 survivors.