critism of story parts

[white eye]

Although this game was interesting and exciting at first
the further she went, the more she resembled many iconic pieces of history mixed
when fascism with medieval style placement .
I mean, a gay squirrel makes sense it can happen but not that often , but the word queer really?
not to mention some criticism, although it is possible that these are my perspective but for me it was a bit woke like part of humans bad becasue plaugemaster read book that it not based on science but pollitics

[SinAscendant]

Publicado originalmente por Toxi:

Publicado originalmente por SinAscendant:

I'm not lumping myself in with them at all. I'm saying that the criticisms made in this thread are valid, that's all.

Maybe in the future, if you want people to understand more clearly, you should explain what you mean and who you're referring to instead of purposely being vague and posting a single half-sentence.

Idk about that man, someone starting going on a lunatic rant about "alphabet gangs" or whatever doesn't sound to me like valid criticism, I take more than a grain of salt from that type of person.

So you're focusing on a single line, in a single post, by a single person, who made it AFTER I replied. Right, that's definitely the part I was talking about. /s

[Joe]

It's such a shame. I don't usually play jrpg games since I find them boring, but this one was a blast (I love the music)... until i reached sky garden. Suddenly, I found out that I was playing a game about gay rodents, fashist squirels and nu-speak. With typical woke lack of subtlety.

[TrixyTrixter]

Publicado originalmente por MachineGod:

The worst part for me was the character who said "lol" every sentence.

I think thats the only character I honestly just dislike as a character.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Yeah. The game couldn't really decide the tone well and it became more a thing over time. The developers wanted to make a bigger game then they had time for, and didn't cut it off soon enough. So, we got a weird, compressed second half.
I liked the game though. I hope the second one improves on things.

[Saturn830]

Why don't people just read the reviews this site provides? I got recommended this game, immediately checked the reviews, and saw it wasn't for me. Then I checked here out of morbid curiosity and, sure enough, people surprised by things that were clearly mentioned in the reviews. Same with the 'is this game neoprog' that pops up on every forum.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por white eye:

Although this game was interesting and exciting at first
the further she went, the more she resembled many iconic pieces of history mixed
when fascism with medieval style placement .
I mean, a gay squirrel makes sense, but the word queer really?

'Queer' actually did exist back in medieval times, and was used to refer to something that was considered to be strange or unusual.

[white eye]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Publicado originalmente por white eye:

Although this game was interesting and exciting at first
the further she went, the more she resembled many iconic pieces of history mixed
when fascism with medieval style placement .
I mean, a gay squirrel makes sense, but the word queer really?

'Queer' actually did exist back in medieval times, and was used to refer to something that was considered to be strange or unusual.

More like in XVII century origin plus it also meant something else than it is used today
No what I meant is using modern concept in medieval fantasy Wich is bs because they didn't have same meaning and definition of our standards

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por white eye:

More like in XVII century origin plus it also meant something else than it is used today
No what I meant is using modern concept in medieval fantasy Wich is bs because they didn't have same meaning and definition of our standards

Fair, but the impression I was given is that Small Saga takes place in some kind of post-apocalypse scenario, where nuclear bombings caused the animals to hyper evolve.

We see all throughout the game that there are remnants of modern technology and books scattered around the world. Who's to say the animals didn't speed up their societal development from reading those?

Except we know for a fact that they did, because one of them actually builds their own robot.

[jlbaar1]

Publicado originalmente por white eye:

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

'Queer' actually did exist back in medieval times, and was used to refer to something that was considered to be strange or unusual.

More like in XVII century origin plus it also meant something else than it is used today
No what I meant is using modern concept in medieval fantasy Wich is bs because they didn't have same meaning and definition of our standards

There's a simple answer to this: the game does not take place in medieval times; it takes place in the present day, present time. The very first thing we see in the trailer is a mouse with a modern switchblade fighting a house-cat in a modern tiled kitchen. The first thing in game is a modern sewer into a modern supermarket. So the reason the characters use modern language and terms is 1) they live in modern times (presumably picking up the terms from humans) and 2) it is language the modern audience would understand. (It should also be noted that the character who mostly uses the modern version of "queer" is Gwen, who grew up in a lab and is marginally more educated than most people, and seeking out terms specifically for herself). They're imitating medieval times as an aesthetic shorthand, but they're not actually living in it.

"Small Saga" is one of many stories in the "small animal story" genre, like "Redwall", "American Tail", "Secret of NIMH", ect. that assume that everything is the same as our world, where humans are doing their thing, except the animals are sapient with human-like traits and their own societies ("Redwall" hints at humans in the first book and then never touches them again). This is the basic premise that you have to accept to enjoy these stories, and if that strains your suspension of disbelief, that's ok. Everyone has a different limit and if this is yours, that's fine. But just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't make it bad writing.

And because people keep mentioning it, yes the Grey Squirrel's are references to the USA, but there's a reason for that. More than a 100 years ago American Grey Squirrel's were brought over from the Americas to the British Isles by humans (this is actually mentioned in-game in one of the books in the conspiracy squirrel's room). They were much larger and more aggressive than the native Red population and basically wiped them out. The red population is currently recovering on certain isolated parts of the Isles, and can hopefully rebound. This is an actual thing that happened, so the creator is tapping into that to tell a story about colonization, displacement, and yes, fascism, which I think is pretty clever.

Speaking as someone from the USA, who loves my country, I'm not particularly offended, because I'm not a fascist and am against fascism, so it's not really talking about me. If the creator is claiming all people from the USA are fascists (which I think it's clear they're not), I'm not particularly offended; it's just their opinion and there's plenty to criticize the USA for. And if you think they're mean to the USA, they literally kill the British monarchy, tear apart the police, blow up Big Ben (and almost blow up Parliament) and use a British symbol of ruler-ship to brain an exterminator. Not to mention that the Grey Squirrels are easily just as much a symbol of British Colonialism, the abuses of the British upper class, British homophobia, transphobia and racism, and what England spent hundreds of years doing to Scotland.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por jlbaar1:

There's a simple answer to this: the game does not take place in medieval times; it takes place in the present day, present time. The very first thing we see in the trailer is a mouse with a modern switchblade fighting a house-cat in a modern tiled kitchen. The first thing in game is a modern sewer into a modern supermarket. So the reason the characters use modern language and terms is 1) they live in modern times (presumably picking up the terms from humans) and 2) it is language the modern audience would understand. (It should also be noted that the character who mostly uses the modern version of "queer" is Gwen, who grew up in a lab and is marginally more educated than most people, and seeking out terms specifically for herself). They're imitating medieval times as an aesthetic shorthand, but they're not actually living in it.

Also, like I said, one of the characters in the game builds their own robot, after having read some books written by humans about how to do so.

The actual scale at which each of the civilizations have advanced in technology and culture is all over the place. You've got a kingdom that's still based in medieval times, you've got a kingdom that seems to be based on the French / Germans, you've even got a kingdom that's based on the ancient Romans...

[Meredith K Pseudonym]

One character builds a robot, and not a particularly impressive robot. Their gifted protégé by comparison is someone who plays with a lighter. Rodents in Small Saga really aren't the super geniuses you take them for.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por Meredith K Pseudonym:

One character builds a robot, and not a particularly impressive robot. Their gifted protégé by comparison is someone who plays with a lighter. Rodents in Small Saga really aren't the super geniuses you take them for.

And yet, that lighter of theirs can be upgraded with something that is heavily alluded to being some form of either Greek Fire, or just flat out Napalm.

Also, that character who builds the robot seems to constantly refer to how short rodents live compared to the gods, making me think they still have feral life spans, despite their intelligence.

That means that he managed to learn the human language, research their books, and build a fully functional robot, within the span of about 2 years, if my estimation is correct.

[jlbaar1]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Publicado originalmente por Meredith K Pseudonym:

One character builds a robot, and not a particularly impressive robot. Their gifted protégé by comparison is someone who plays with a lighter. Rodents in Small Saga really aren't the super geniuses you take them for.

And yet, that lighter of theirs can be upgraded with something that is heavily alluded to being some form of either Greek Fire, or just flat out Napalm.

Also, that character who builds the robot seems to constantly refer to how short rodents live compared to the gods, making me think they still have feral life spans, despite their intelligence.

That means that he managed to learn the human language, research their books, and build a fully functional robot, within the span of about 2 years, if my estimation is correct.

And if that's what pings your goofy meter and breaks your suspension of disbelief, that's ok. For me the robot worked because it was silly and whimsical, which I figured was the point, and reminded me of old Tom and Jerry cartoons. If it didn't work for you, it didn't work for you.

[Meredith K Pseudonym]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

That means that he managed to learn the human language, research their books, and build a fully functional robot, within the span of about 2 years, if my estimation is correct.

I should be more clear: Aquila should not be your baseline for rodent intellect. Aquila is above and beyond, to an absurd degree.

[GrandMajora]

Just your little, bisexual mouse, with his little, bisexual friends.

Going on a big, bisexual adventure to overthrow fascism and ultimately kill God.