Questions about archer/mage - Magic Quiver

[Uriel]

So, I just started an archer/mage. Basically, maxed the great archer passive, and the magic quiver spell. I've noticed that, obviously, the stronger magic quiver is, the harder I hit, ntil it's maxed of course. So far, so good.

What I'm wondering is, how does magic attack (MATK) fares compares to normal attack (ATK) in that case ? I mean, if I increase MATK, will the magic arrows hit even harder ? If so, is that increase better than increasing ATK alone ?

Also, is magic quiver applying its buff on top of whatever arrows we're using, or does it replace those arrows ? With the limited information ingame, broked translation, and sheer amount of untranslated things, I'm really unsure about how that works.

Simply put, for an archer with magic quiver used all the time, what gives you the best bang for your buck, ATK, MATK, or balancing both ?

[Phoenix Cat]

I don't use Magic Quiver on my Archer main. It replaces the arrows you would normally use. It has a limit. Where as the arrows I can create do more damage. I believe it is not affected by MATK increase. Again going off bad translations. Maybe someone else has more info. Just sharing what I know from playing.

[Uriel]

That's a start, thank you :)

At least I know it replaces arrows, so it's probably good early on, but not later on. Still worth keeping, can be useful in a pinch if I somehow run out of arrows. I guess I'll do some experimenting.

[Battlefoxx]

I haven't done any in-depth testing myself, but some other folks did. This was back in Legacy however, so no idea if anything I say here still rings 100% true! Playing a supportive Magic Quiver Archer myself, so I might have at least a bit of an idea here.

In short: Only Atk matters, Arrows you have equipped are replaced by a magic arrow, and enchants on your arrows do not matter either. Max out Magic Quiver if you want to use it, or at least get it to Lv 4.

Longer explanations:

Magic Quiver ignores MAtk for the purpose of calculating your damage. Only Atk counts (and any Damage Increased / etc. upgrades, ESPECIALLY those, since theye will skyrocket your damage once you got decent Atk).

Magic Quiver will completely replace the arrows you fire. Any effects / enchantments on the arrows you have currently equipped will not apply to Magic Quiver arrows. So, if you want to stack status effects from your regular arrows, you want to reactivate Magic Quiver to disable it. On the flipside, you also don't consume any arrows while the buff is on. HOWEVER, you need at least a single arrow equipped to draw a magic arrow, otherwise the game will tell you that you have no arrows equipped and you won't draw a magic one, even if the buff is active.

(Did not test this myself!) Getting into more technical stuff, Magic Quiver changes the "Motion Value" of your shots. Consider these your damage multiplier - the higher the value, the more damage any given attack will do, which is then based on how much Atk / Damage Increase / etc you have. Magic Quiver's Motion Value is stronger at Lv 4+, but worse at Lv 3 or less - in other words, pre-Lv 4+, shooting without Magic Quiver active deals more damage than having the skill active. At Lv 6, the Motion Value is more than 50% bigger than shooting without Magic Quiver on (12.5 vs 9). Whether that translates into a raw +50% damage or not is unknown to me.

[Uriel]

Thanks mate, that's very useful. This would explain why a maxed out magic quiver gives me much better damage numbers that my basic iron arrows. It might change later on with really good arrows, but so far, I get roughly double damage on lvl 40 gigantes, compared to normal arrows. And I mean that as "soft spot" damage, which basically one-hit-kills them. Values aren't that different when not hitting the soft spot.

So basically, priority to ATK, and magic quiver is more of a utility buff than a power buff, but can still provide a decent boost in some conditions.

[Battlefoxx]

Originally posted by Uriel:

So basically, priority to ATK, and magic quiver is more of a utility buff than a power buff, but can still provide a decent boost in some conditions.

I would not say that MQ is a utility buff - more or less I'd consider it a damage buff first and foremost, since the upgraded "Motion Value" really adds up in terms of damage. This is even more important when you leveled up Great Archer or Forester (I and II), since their damage depends on the Motion Value of the base attack - which Magic Quiver increases. Extra fun with Jumping Shot for rapid firing. Profit!

However, for skills, I think Magic Quiver doesn't add anything to them (aside from whatever Atk the Magic Arrows have). Would have to test that one. Where Magic Quiver does lose to normal arrows is status effects.

Speaking of bow damage: Not hitting the weakspot / head severely lowers your damage, but you probably noticed that. I think in Legacy, it was 3x damage on a Weakspot, but only a measly x0.1 if you were hitting anything else. Neither Magic Quiver nor normal arrows will make a massive difference there!

[Uriel]

Thanks again :)

I need to investigate this motion value thing. Looks interesting, but I haven't seen it mentionned in the game itself, or maybe I missed something.

As for the damage, yeah, I had noticed, but thanks anyway :)

[Battlefoxx]

It's a very technical thing - think cracking the code or something like that. Stuff like that won't be mentioned ingame, but people who research the game inside out tend to find these things out. Again, it wasn't me who found out!

"Motion Value" is mostly a term for a base multiplier - how strong an attack is. Something like a fast attack usually has lower Motion Value than a bigger attack.

I wonder if the Craftopia Discord has this kinda stuff figured out... a friend of mine gave me a .pdf a while ago where Motion Value has been figured out, but again, that was during Legacy times.

[Uriel]

I see, thanks alot for the time and explanations, mate ! :D