Why AAA style scripted trailer?

[JigPappy]

This style reminds me of Watch Dogs, Anthem, and The Last of Us 2 reveal trailers which were lies. Maybe it's best to avoid it. I just want to see game play footage, that's what I base my buying decision on. Record someone playing the game for an hour and clip the best bits. That's what I want to see, UI and all. Thanks.

[[TPPL] King Leonidas]

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To sum it up, is it coming to consoles?

No, unfortunately. Only for Switch.

switch? that's like the weakest console??? that's very very odd

[[TPPL] King Leonidas]

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The journalists didn't even play the game, they just watched someone from Alkimia play the demo part. And even if they don't have most of the world finished, so what? Release is still a year away at least and delays are likely. I'd rather have it delayed instead of another CP2077 launch.

Ehhh why to even bother, you can master nor replicate Gothic 1 from 2001. Period

you totally can. you can even make it better, it all depends if team has the will and competence

[5chneemensch]

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Ehhh why to even bother, you can master nor replicate Gothic 1 from 2001. Period

you totally can. you can even make it better, it all depends if team has the will and competence

Considering there has been no remake that is even remotely faithful, minus the singular entity that is Red Alert (not counting the worst chosen upscaling method for FMVs...), that is an impossible call. And the concept art of monsters are painting a *very* bad picture.

[[TPPL] King Leonidas]

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you totally can. you can even make it better, it all depends if team has the will and competence

Considering there has been no remake that is even remotely faithful, minus the singular entity that is Red Alert (not counting the worst chosen upscaling method for FMVs...), that is an impossible call. And the concept art of monsters are painting a *very* bad picture.

well how many remake games do we have? i think a good one is system shock 1 remake. anyways it can be done well. even if the others suck

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The journalists didn't even play the game, they just watched someone from Alkimia play the demo part. And even if they don't have most of the world finished, so what? Release is still a year away at least and delays are likely. I'd rather have it delayed instead of another CP2077 launch.

Ehhh why to even bother, you can master nor replicate Gothic 1 from 2001. Period

You can. Archolos is equal in quality to both Gothic 1 and 2 imo. Gameplaywise it is even better than both of them due to expanded crafting and gear, challenging bosses and even if you play it as a completionist you will always find a use for your hard earned money. Oh and the stroy is better than anything piranha bytes has written. If they stick to the oldschool gamedeisgn and implement content that was cut in the original game (abandoned mine, underground orc city) it could be better than Gothic Classic.

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you totally can. you can even make it better, it all depends if team has the will and competence

Considering there has been no remake that is even remotely faithful, minus the singular entity that is Red Alert (not counting the worst chosen upscaling method for FMVs...), that is an impossible call. And the concept art of monsters are painting a *very* bad picture.

In contrast to movies and books games have a tendency of getting better as a franchises progresses. Witcher 3 is arguably the best witcher game. Gothic 2 better than gothic 1. Desperados 3 better than Desperados 1, etc. As far as remakes are concerned Crash Bandicoot, Destroy all Humans and DIabloe Resurrected are all better than Classic. Then there's remakes that are different but pretty even in quality like Mafia for example or Black Mesa even if both have quite a bit of original content.

[5chneemensch]

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Considering there has been no remake that is even remotely faithful, minus the singular entity that is Red Alert (not counting the worst chosen upscaling method for FMVs...), that is an impossible call. And the concept art of monsters are painting a *very* bad picture.

In contrast to movies and books games have a tendency of getting better as a franchises progresses. Witcher 3 is arguably the best witcher game. Gothic 2 better than gothic 1. Desperados 3 better than Desperados 1, etc. As far as remakes are concerned Crash Bandicoot, Destroy all Humans and DIabloe Resurrected are all better than Classic. Then there's remakes that are different but pretty even in quality like Mafia for example or Black Mesa even if both have quite a bit of original content.

Sequels are of no relevance here.

Diablo Ressurected is inferior by a failed redesign of characters.

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Ehhh why to even bother, you can master nor replicate Gothic 1 from 2001. Period

You can. Archolos is equal in quality to both Gothic 1 and 2 imo. Gameplaywise it is even better than both of them due to expanded crafting and gear, challenging bosses and even if you play it as a completionist you will always find a use for your hard earned money. Oh and the stroy is better than anything piranha bytes has written. If they stick to the oldschool gamedeisgn and implement content that was cut in the original game (abandoned mine, underground orc city) it could be better than Gothic Classic.

Archolos is not Gothic and no replacement for Gothic simply because it has a named hero.

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Archolos is not Gothic and no replacement for Gothic simply because it has a named hero.

It isn't Gothic because... it's not part of that IP. It's not a replacement for Gothic, because Gothic 1 and 2 don't need to be replaced.

Beyond that - I cannot conceive of a good reason why anyone would like Gothic 1 and 2, and not like Archolos, Nameless Hero or not.

[[TPPL] King Leonidas]

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Archolos is not Gothic and no replacement for Gothic simply because it has a named hero.

It isn't Gothic because... it's not part of that IP. It's not a replacement for Gothic, because Gothic 1 and 2 don't need to be replaced.

Beyond that - I cannot conceive of a good reason why anyone would like Gothic 1 and 2, and not like Archolos, Nameless Hero or not.

the Nameless hero thing was to make it easier to do an self-insert back in those times. while the character keeping one and the same personality i guess

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the Nameless hero thing was to make it easier to do an self-insert back in those times. while the character keeping one and the same personality i guess

For sure. It's also a fun thing to have... and also, personally, I never care about my character's name in a game... ever.

[5chneemensch]

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It isn't Gothic because... it's not part of that IP. It's not a replacement for Gothic, because Gothic 1 and 2 don't need to be replaced.

Beyond that - I cannot conceive of a good reason why anyone would like Gothic 1 and 2, and not like Archolos, Nameless Hero or not.

the Nameless hero thing was to make it easier to do an self-insert back in those times. while the character keeping one and the same personality i guess

Nameless Hero is a predertermined character. That argument makes no sense.

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Diablo Ressurected is inferior by a failed redesign of characters.

Character design is only a small apsect of a game. While I do agree that a handful of designs have been nerfed to appeal to the "modern audience" most designs and landscapeds have been improved significantly. There's also a ton of comfort functions and balance updates that D2 was lacking. In total I would say Diablo Resurrected still wins out if you aren't blinded by nostalgia goggles. Also interesting that you ignored my mentions of Mafia, Destroy all Humans, Crash Bandicoot and Black Mesa remakes. They kinda destroy your argument don't they?

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Sequels are of no relevance here.

Yes they are. A lof of sequels these days also work as soft reboots. Pathologic 2 is a remake in terms of gameplay but a sequel in terms of story. Desperados 3 is a complete reboot of the originals story but with some characters appearing in both of them. Ggames are different than movies or books in that regard. Is Mortal Kombat 1 really a remake because they wrote "MK1" on the box and reset the plotlines? Or is it a sequel because graphics and gameplay didn't revert back to the 1990s but build upon what came before. My point is. Sequels take established ideas, build upon them and modernize them at. Remakes do the same. To not see an overlap in between the two seems reductive to me.

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Character design is only a small apsect of a game. While I do agree that a handful of designs have been nerfed to appeal to the "modern audience" most designs and landscapeds have been improved significantly. There's also a ton of comfort functions and balance updates that D2 was lacking. In total I would say Diablo Resurrected still wins out if you aren't blinded by nostalgia goggles. Also interesting that you ignored my mentions of Mafia, Destroy all Humans, Crash Bandicoot and Black Mesa remakes. They kinda destroy your argument don't they?


Yes they are. A lof of sequels these days also work as soft reboots. Pathologic 2 is a remake in terms of gameplay but a sequel in terms of story. Desperados 3 is a complete reboot of the originals story but with some characters appearing in both of them. Ggames are different than movies or books in that regard. Is Mortal Kombat 1 really a remake because they wrote "MK1" on the box and reset the plotlines? Or is it a sequel because graphics and gameplay didn't revert back to the 1990s but build upon what came before. My point is. Sequels take established ideas, build upon them and modernize them at. Remakes do the same. To not see an overlap in between the two seems reductive to me.

People expect and want a 1:1 remake. Not a 1:1,2 remake. *Especially* when talking about art direction. Stay faithful or don't do it in the first place.

I saw or remember no major outcries about your listed games, but those games also lost relevance extremely quickly, except Mafia, which was hated. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Shadow Of The Collosus are still talked about being botched beyond repair. As is the upcoming Gothic franchise suicide.

Sequels, reboots and reboot sequels are *still* of no relevance here. We are talking Remakes.

[Eagle1]

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Character design is only a small apsect of a game. While I do agree that a handful of designs have been nerfed to appeal to the "modern audience" most designs and landscapeds have been improved significantly. There's also a ton of comfort functions and balance updates that D2 was lacking. In total I would say Diablo Resurrected still wins out if you aren't blinded by nostalgia goggles. Also interesting that you ignored my mentions of Mafia, Destroy all Humans, Crash Bandicoot and Black Mesa remakes. They kinda destroy your argument don't they?


Yes they are. A lof of sequels these days also work as soft reboots. Pathologic 2 is a remake in terms of gameplay but a sequel in terms of story. Desperados 3 is a complete reboot of the originals story but with some characters appearing in both of them. Ggames are different than movies or books in that regard. Is Mortal Kombat 1 really a remake because they wrote "MK1" on the box and reset the plotlines? Or is it a sequel because graphics and gameplay didn't revert back to the 1990s but build upon what came before. My point is. Sequels take established ideas, build upon them and modernize them at. Remakes do the same. To not see an overlap in between the two seems reductive to me.

People expect and want a 1:1 remake. Not a 1:1,2 remake. *Especially* when talking about art direction. Stay faithful or don't do it in the first place.

I saw or remember no major outcries about your listed games, but those games also lost relevance extremely quickly, except Mafia, which was hated. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Shadow Of The Collosus are still talked about being botched beyond repair. As is the upcoming Gothic franchise suicide.

Sequels, reboots and reboot sequels are *still* of no relevance here. We are talking Remakes.

It's a remake not a remaster. A remaster is 1:1 with better graphics and everything else untouched. A remake can keep the main subject and change everything else. So you can definitely expect almost a whole new game in which you end up killing the Sleeper in the end or maybe they can even replace him with a dragon.

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Was that the case for Last of Us 1?

Naughty Dog billed TLOU1 as a remake, and actually changed elements (combat, level design etc). It's extremely close to the original version though, if I understand correctly, because there wasn't much that needed changing and it was pretty recent anyway.

Gothic, by contrast, is more than twice as old and designed for a control scheme which (even on release) was odd and controversial.

How much they'll change from base Gothic is hard to tell... some of the trailers make it look like it's going to be a hell of a lot more faithful than I ever expected - especially the trailer that landed in August (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUnzf9krUIs). From the music to the layout of the camp... that cinematic trailer is clearly Gothic. They claim it's captured 'in-engine' which means that level is how it's going to present... it feels fairly faithful to me!