Can we get Gothic 3 remake too? :D

[J]

pretty please

[kris.aalst]

Sure, no problem. Would sometime next week be okay?

[kestar]

Before we can talk about a Gothic 3 remake, there needs to first exist a "make". Gothic 3 was never properly finished and back in 2006 it was released in an alpha state.

[Thats How We do action in Uganda]

There is no such game as Gothic 3.

[Kazmor]

Originally posted by Thats How We do action in Uganda:

There is no such game as Gothic 3.

Y, I never heared of it either.

[Война]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=710124731
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=736603569
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=748016209
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=718320132
Never saw a game better than Gothic 3: no noobish markers, hard tasks, many secrets is a living World and only simple battle system isn't perfect but each other aspects are well.

[kestar]

Originally posted by Война:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=710124731
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=736603569
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=748016209
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=718320132
Never saw a game better than Gothic 3: no noobish markers, hard tasks, many secrets is a living World and only simple battle system isn't perfect but each other aspects are well.

How about, a (mostly) missing story? You land in Myrtana with your friends, all of a sudden you fight some orcs (because of reasons), then after the fight all your friends disappear in different directions with no trace or build up to it (because of reasons) and then some villager tells you about Xardas, whom you are then prompted to find (because of reasons). So you then pretty much spend the rest of the game going from city to city doing MMO-style errands and busy work, gathering reputation points until you eventually find Xardas.

It just feels so much less immersive than Gothic 1 and 2. There is no presentation, no build-up, no reasoning behind anything. You're basically just parachuted into a single-player MMO. This is the 3rd part of a trilogy (supposedly), not the 1st, so it should do a better job at continuing the story and building up towards the conclusion.

[kris.aalst]

G3 is unfinished but thanks to the community patch it's more or less in a playable state.

The game whose existance I vehemently deny is something called er... Arcadia or something? People talk about it sometimes, but I'm convinced it does not exist.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by kestar:

How about, a (mostly) missing story?

Story is being told as you meet and talk to story NPCs. Ultimately, King Rhobar, Xardas, but also faction leaders, orc chieftains, clan leaders, fire magicians, water mages and various other named NPCs such as Milten.

[kestar]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by kestar:

How about, a (mostly) missing story?

Story is being told as you meet and talk to story NPCs. Ultimately, King Rhobar, Xardas, but also faction leaders, orc chieftains, clan leaders, fire magicians and various other named NPCs such as Milten.

No it's not. Or certainly not at the level of detail, quality of writing, immersion as in Gothic 1 and 2.

The fact that you played Gothic 1 and Gothic 2, know the lore very well and choose to fill in the dots and thus believe that the story is well told is a different problem. But that's OK, you are entitled to your opinion.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by kestar:

No it's not. Or certainly not at the level of detail, quality of writing, immersion as in Gothic 1 and 2.

G2's story progression with chapter based events is hard to beat:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Gothic2

Originally posted by kestar:

The fact that you played Gothic 1 and Gothic 2, know the lore very well and choose to fill in the dots and thus believe that the story is well told is a different problem. But that's OK, you are entitled to your opinion.

It is not a problem at all. G3 features many interesting conversations that make the story worthwhile. I can't fix players, who want more hand-holding and who don't pay attention to main quest objectives, such as infiltrating the orcs and orc mercenaries as to learn about their plans.

[kestar]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by kestar:

No it's not. Or certainly not at the level of detail, quality of writing, immersion as in Gothic 1 and 2.

G2's story progression with chapter based events is hard to beat:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Gothic2

Originally posted by kestar:

The fact that you played Gothic 1 and Gothic 2, know the lore very well and choose to fill in the dots and thus believe that the story is well told is a different problem. But that's OK, you are entitled to your opinion.

It is not a problem at all. G3 features many interesting conversations that make the story worthwhile. I can't fix players, who want more hand-holding and who don't pay attention to main quest objectives, such as infiltrating the orcs and orc mercenaries as to learn about their plans.

Yes of course, the emperor isn't naked.

[Cortes]

Sure, if they can make a good remake of the first two games.
Though, Gothic 3 Remake would have to be a completly new game.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by Cortes:

Though, Gothic 3 Remake would have to be a completly new game.

Gothic 3 remake would be the easiest to do in case they plan to add tons of hand-holding, map markers, main quest guidance and cutscenes to complement what's there as a solid base.

[hyperion]

Gothic 3 was fixed and was a great game after that. One of the best. Unless you somehow do not find walking over top of hordes of dead orcs with arrows stuck in their faces, any fun at all. And then there's getting overpowered and exacting revenge on everyone in the game and burning and pillaging all the towns.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Fire Magician in Gothic 3
--> https://steamcommunity.com/app/39500/discussions/0/2145343824283615216/

The game comes with a bit of learning curve, because non-linearity in a large, seamless open world bears some risks. Player can ignore the main quest objectives and wander off into the world, visit places that become important only much, much later. And if player strictly follows quests, searching for stuff becomes necessary because there are no quest destination map markers. Opportunities for a remake, which can change some things to make story progression and the main quest lines clear and easily accessible.

There's also the faction reputation system - and although player character is told to infiltrate the orcs as to learn what they know and what their plans are, one can read that players turn against the orcs too early and free occupied villages too early. That doesn't break the game, since there are multiple paths through it, but infiltrating the factions is much more entertaining. Up to the point when it becomes an option to side with Beliar and turn against everyone. The path of total annihilation.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=952807780

And the community patched version introduces the two modes "Alternative Balancing (AB)" and "Alternative AI". They are explained in a separate manual (linked in the Ultimate Gothic 3 Guide meanwhile). A remake could remove those options or replace them with less obscure ingame settings. At the same time, a remake could also redesign the high-level spells, which is too much of an endgame choice.