Can we get a remaster instead?

[Rune_Thor]

Probably the only game so far i wish modders will be able to remove stuff from it so it's more like the original.....seriously guys you had one simple job just copy paste with new graphics. I would pay 60$ for that. This one i'll wait for a major sale...

[Moon mission captain]

I prefer a new game, like classic stories (Jules Vernes) get several different movies.
No one is stopping you from playing original Gothic 1.

[Siberian Software]

Given the fact that Remake is made on Unreal Engine, there will be no shortage of modders, and Remaster can be easily made by them using content of Remake.

[Rune_Thor]

Originally posted by Siberian Software:

Given the fact that Remake is made on Unreal Engine, there will be no shortage of modders, and Remaster can be easily made by them using content of Remake.

I sure hope so. I hope devs also release modding tools so to make this even easier.

[Rhobar V]

Originally posted by Rune_Thor:

Probably the only game so far i wish modders will be able to remove stuff from it so it's more like the original.....seriously guys you had one simple job just copy paste with new graphics. I would pay 60$ for that. This one i'll wait for a major sale...

I get where you are coming from, but we have scraps of information about the remake!

[Nico]

I'm not really sure what you are complaining about. I mean, we know basically know nothing about the Remake yet, except for the stuff a few devs said in some reviews. How do you know that they did a terrible job if they only finished founding their new studio which is responsible for making the remake, a few months ago? The currently earliest possible time for a release would probably be like 2024.

And if you want a remaster, just use some mods that improve the graphics.

[Overclocker_X]

The game is too old to just "remaster". The engine is too limited it really wouldn't be that much better.

[Rune_Thor]

Originally posted by Nico:

I'm not really sure what you are complaining about. I mean, we know basically know nothing about the Remake yet, except for the stuff a few devs said in some reviews. How do you know that they did a terrible job if they only finished founding their new studio which is responsible for making the remake, a few months ago? The currently earliest possible time for a release would probably be like 2024.

And if you want a remaster, just use some mods that improve the graphics.

Originally posted by Overclocker_X:

The game is too old to just "remaster". The engine is too limited it really wouldn't be that much better.

You don't need the old engine you can use the new one but the thing is you can't add new quests or change the feel of the game. You can make improvements to combat and such but adding new quests or chaning the way the whole game feels would not be good for the fans of the series. What i saw in the videos so far and from the demo this looks and feels like completely different game and not something i would pay for.
Original Gothic the way it was with QOL stuff is fine but has to basically stay the same game it was. Much less work for the developers too and they have a sure thing. Now they have to rely on people that liked Gothic but won't like this and potential new players that might not even know about the game to be honest. They are taking a risk and from what i saw so far as a lifelong fan of the series i'm not impressed and it's a complete pass for me!

[Rhobar V]

Originally posted by Rune_Thor:

Originally posted by Nico:

I'm not really sure what you are complaining about. I mean, we know basically know nothing about the Remake yet, except for the stuff a few devs said in some reviews. How do you know that they did a terrible job if they only finished founding their new studio which is responsible for making the remake, a few months ago? The currently earliest possible time for a release would probably be like 2024.

And if you want a remaster, just use some mods that improve the graphics.

Originally posted by Overclocker_X:

The game is too old to just "remaster". The engine is too limited it really wouldn't be that much better.

You don't need the old engine you can use the new one but the thing is you can't add new quests or change the feel of the game. You can make improvements to combat and such but adding new quests or chaning the way the whole game feels would not be good for the fans of the series. What i saw in the videos so far and from the demo this looks and feels like completely different game and not something i would pay for.
Original Gothic the way it was with QOL stuff is fine but has to basically stay the same game it was. Much less work for the developers too and they have a sure thing. Now they have to rely on people that liked Gothic but won't like this and potential new players that might not even know about the game to be honest. They are taking a risk and from what i saw so far as a lifelong fan of the series i'm not impressed and it's a complete pass for me!

Oh brother, here we go again...

Look, anyone who played the teaser and paid attention to the feedback part of it will tell you that the PT was not a demo for anything. It was a) made to gauge interest in a remake and b) gather feedback on modern mechanics (you might have noticed how stuffed with ideas and mechanics the PT was).

As far as the whole 'you cannot add new quests or rework stuff because it would change the feel of the game' thing goes, that is laughably fallacious logic.

[Rune_Thor]

Originally posted by Rhobar V:

Originally posted by Rune_Thor:

You don't need the old engine you can use the new one but the thing is you can't add new quests or change the feel of the game. You can make improvements to combat and such but adding new quests or chaning the way the whole game feels would not be good for the fans of the series. What i saw in the videos so far and from the demo this looks and feels like completely different game and not something i would pay for.
Original Gothic the way it was with QOL stuff is fine but has to basically stay the same game it was. Much less work for the developers too and they have a sure thing. Now they have to rely on people that liked Gothic but won't like this and potential new players that might not even know about the game to be honest. They are taking a risk and from what i saw so far as a lifelong fan of the series i'm not impressed and it's a complete pass for me!

Oh brother, here we go again...

Look, anyone who played the teaser and paid attention to the feedback part of it will tell you that the PT was not a demo for anything. It was a) made to gauge interest in a remake and b) gather feedback on modern mechanics (you might have noticed how stuffed with ideas and mechanics the PT was).

As far as the whole 'you cannot add new quests or rework stuff because it would change the feel of the game' thing goes, that is laughably fallacious logic.

Sorry but adding new buildings, areas and quests that weren't part of the original will break that gotic feel. Also hero talking all the time, combat, companions....That PT was just horrible. Didn't feel like gothic, didn't look like gothic. Added explosions for special effects, starting area....etc...horrible horrible choices. If this is any indication of what they are planing it's just a hard pass for me!

[Nico]

From what I know they plan to stay very close to the old map layout and also will keep all quests and probably even voicelines.
And I think that adding new quests is no bad thing whatsoever, since in the later chapters there really weren't many side quests, so a bit more stuff to do besides the main quest would be pretty nice. For example there was this one weird bandit camp near the troll that had no real purpose.
Also, they're still devs, and just completely copying something without at least adding a little bit of your own ideas is just not as fun. And as long as this won't change the old stuff but just add a bit new stuff it shouldn't really be a big issue. Like you can simply ignore all the new stuff and simply have the world and quests as before.

But I mean, in the end it all depends on how it will turn out in the end. For example the combat system will totally be different, from both the original and the Teaser. The only really thing we know about it is that it will stay more tactical than action-focused .

[vurt]

I honestly don't want a remaster, i tried G2 again after a few years of not playing it. The movement is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atrocious, it's the one thing in the game that has aged the worst i think, it's just so... "digital". Absolutely hated it and couldn't continue playing, too spoiled by modern games with smoother more analog movement.. No, a remaster would be really stupid, and for numerous reasons.

The engine is too old and it's performing quite badly too. The engine doesn't even use LOD's for e.g trees.. my mod (Gothic II Graphics Overhaul) that uses higher poly trees (like 3x) you can really tell it needs a new engine, also there's a limit of how many polygons you can use, so you can forget e.g hi-poly NPC's. I bet G1's engine is somewhat worse, G2 is probably improved in a few ways at least.

[Rune_Thor]

Originally posted by 𝓥𝓾𝓻𝓽:

I honestly don't want a remaster, i tried G2 again after a few years of not playing it. The movement is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atrocious, it's the one thing in the game that has aged the worst i think, it's just so... "digital". Absolutely hated it and couldn't continue playing, too spoiled by modern games with smoother more analog movement.. No, a remaster would be really stupid, and for numerous reasons.

The engine is too old and it's performing quite badly too. The engine doesn't even use LOD's for e.g trees.. my mod (Gothic II Graphics Overhaul) that uses higher poly trees (like 3x) you can really tell it needs a new engine, also there's a limit of how many polygons you can use, so you can forget e.g hi-poly NPC's. I bet G1's engine is somewhat worse, G2 is probably improved in a few ways at least.

You completely misunderstood my argument. They can use a new engine and make some Quality of life improvements but they shouldn't add stuff that wasn't there in the original. Voices, places, story quests those should remain identical.

[vurt]

Originally posted by Rune_Thor:

Originally posted by 𝓥𝓾𝓻𝓽:

I honestly don't want a remaster, i tried G2 again after a few years of not playing it. The movement is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atrocious, it's the one thing in the game that has aged the worst i think, it's just so... "digital". Absolutely hated it and couldn't continue playing, too spoiled by modern games with smoother more analog movement.. No, a remaster would be really stupid, and for numerous reasons.

The engine is too old and it's performing quite badly too. The engine doesn't even use LOD's for e.g trees.. my mod (Gothic II Graphics Overhaul) that uses higher poly trees (like 3x) you can really tell it needs a new engine, also there's a limit of how many polygons you can use, so you can forget e.g hi-poly NPC's. I bet G1's engine is somewhat worse, G2 is probably improved in a few ways at least.

You completely misunderstood my argument. They can use a new engine and make some Quality of life improvements but they shouldn't add stuff that wasn't there in the original. Voices, places, story quests those should remain identical.

Then it's a remake, nonetheless because it's remade in a new engine, a remaster is never that complex, it's basically brushing up the game very slightly.

i don't mind added stuff, but the overall feel should be like the original and it' can't be any LESS than the original, that would be highly disappointing, e.g if NPC AI is worse or more simplistic.

[Grand Ho' of Slaanesh]

I am not against new stuff as long as it fits. Despite the fact I really, really like Gothic, I probably would not spend a whole lot of time with it again, simply because updated graphics.

[Landros]

Originally posted by Rune_Thor:

Sorry but adding new buildings, areas and quests that weren't part of the original will break that gotic feel. Also hero talking all the time, combat, companions....That PT was just horrible. Didn't feel like gothic, didn't look like gothic. Added explosions for special effects, starting area....etc...horrible horrible choices. If this is any indication of what they are planing it's just a hard pass for me!

So... by this logic Gothic 2 should have broken the gothic feeling and not felt like a gothic game at all... dude... come on. Thankfully, 90% of people will see the holes in this argument. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, you do have a right to that... but the game will for sure be made taking into account the opinions of the majority of people, and of course logical, and verifiable argumentation... not thinks like "my fealings!" or arguments like "because I say so..." O_o